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First person killed by a robot car.

and the creation of a new verb: Herzberg

She's the 2nd victim. 1st was driver in another car, a diff incident, but killed just as dead.

Use a victim's name in jest as you just did, BiT, & expect to get sued by their family.

ghostjmf wrote:Use a victim's name in jest as you just did, BiT, & expect to get sued by their family.

Dafuq!?!?

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ghostjmf wrote:She's the 2nd victim. 1st was driver in another car, a diff incident, but killed just as dead.

Use a victim's name in jest as you just did, BiT, & expect to get sued by their family.

Oh sorry! I didn't know she was related to Bob78164.

littlebeast13 wrote:

ghostjmf wrote:Use a victim's name in jest as you just did, BiT, & expect to get sued by their family.

Dafuq!?!?

lb13

lol - the boberation of the Bored.

Skynet is starting to test the waters. This was just the first raid.

BackInTex wrote:

ghostjmf wrote:She's the 2nd victim. 1st was driver in another car, a diff incident, but killed just as dead.

Use a victim's name in jest as you just did, BiT, & expect to get sued by their family.

Oh sorry! I didn't know she was related to Bob78164.

Ethical lawyers threaten lawsuits all the time. I got that from a discreditable source.

I don't know why the urge to belittle victims. Perhaps BiT or whom/whatever he's quoting can explain.

It would be relatives of the victim who would sue for defamation of character, not me or various Bobs.

Victim was jaywalking their bike. Officials in Tempe were awfully quick to say Uber would not be cited. I guess jaywalkers are fair game for drone cars.

Around here, people are being run over right & left, on bikes, off them, in crosswalks, not in them, & the decision whether to prosecute the so-far-human-drivers of the vehicles doing the hitting of people is never that fast, even when the people hit were not in a crosswalk.

Also, around here at least, the 10 seconds given to cross is not nearly enough time even before I got bursitis, let alone for a more-disabled person.

What if the walker is half across the street when the light changes? Is it OK for drone-car to hit them then?

ghostjmf wrote:It would be relatives of the victim who would sue for defamation of character, not me or various Bobs.

Nowhere in any of the posts above was the victim defamed.... thus the strange reaction from everyone to your comment. I also doubt anyone related to the deceased will ever grace the welcome mat of this message board....

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ghostjmf wrote:I don't know why the urge to belittle victims. Perhaps BiT or whom/whatever he's quoting can explain.

It would be relatives of the victim who would sue for defamation of character, not me or various Bobs.

Victim was jaywalking their bike. Officials in Tempe were awfully quick to say Uber would not be cited. I guess jaywalkers are fair game for drone cars.

Around here, people are being run over right & left, on bikes, off them, in crosswalks, not in them, & the decision whether to prosecute the so-far-human-drivers of the vehicles doing the hitting of people is never that fast, even when the people hit were not in a crosswalk.

Also, around here at least, the 10 seconds given to cross is not nearly enough time even before I got bursitis, let alone for a more-disabled person.

What if the walker is half across the street when the light changes? Is it OK for drone-car to hit them then?

In what way is what BiT said belittling the victim? In what way is using her last name as a verb to describe a new, tragic scenario created by technology advances belittling her? Is the name "Lou Gehrig's Disease" an insult to Gehrig's family. Pulleeease, a little less PC.

Lou Gehrig made an impassioned speech as he retired from baseball, citing ALS. I would believe he & his family wanted his name to make the disease more known, & a cure found.

There's no evidence Ms. Herzberg's family wants her name linked to the way she was killed.

ghostjmf wrote:There's no evidence Ms. Herzberg's family wants her name linked to the way she was killed.

That would be too bad.... it's still not anything close to defamation, or anything that could be sued for.

I doubt they'd have to worry about an offhand comment from BiT on a message board about 50 people read going viral though....

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littlebeast13 wrote:

ghostjmf wrote:There's no evidence Ms. Herzberg's family wants her name linked to the way she was killed.

That would be too bad.... it's still not anything close to defamation, or anything that could be sued for.

I doubt they'd have to worry about an offhand comment from BiT on a message board about 50 people read going viral though....

lb13

I do not Twitter, so there's no risk there, either.

littlebeast13 wrote:

ghostjmf wrote:It would be relatives of the victim who would sue for defamation of character, not me or various Bobs.

Nowhere in any of the posts above was the victim defamed.... thus the strange reaction from everyone to your comment. I also doubt anyone related to the deceased will ever grace the welcome mat of this message board....

Maybe they'll sue you for revealing her gender, which had absolutely no relevance to this story...

ghostjmf wrote:I don't know why the urge to belittle victims. Perhaps BiT or whom/whatever he's quoting can explain.

It would be relatives of the victim who would sue for defamation of character, not me or various Bobs.

It wouldn't matter. In most jurisdictions, it's legally impossible to defame a dead person. I don't know one way or the other whether Arizona is an exception.

But although I can see why you might consider BiT's quip in bad taste (for example, I can't imagine him writing it if one of the victim's relatives were known to be a regular on the Bored), it certainly didn't seem defamatory to me. --Bob

Craaazy, crazy for lalalaling...

Estonut:

All the news stories revealed Ms. Herzberg's 1st name & gender.

It was a quip, not a derision of the victim. Be serious.

When I was briefly a student at ASU, as the U in Tempe was then called, I got a ticket for jaywalking & another for biking on an orange light. Crossing on orange is legal, & the judge agreed. They hate students in Tempe, which is a puzzle, as they have so many of them, being a University town.

Apparently they hate older people on bikes, too, considering that some town spokesperson said they were letting the Uber undriver off immediately. I've read subsequent stuff reversing that. But still.

ghostjmf wrote:When I was briefly a student at ASU, as the U in Tempe was then called, I got a ticket for jaywalking & another for biking on an orange light. Crossing on orange is legal, & the judge agreed. They hate students in Tempe, which is a puzzle, as they have so many of them, being a University town.

Apparently they hate older people on bikes, too, considering that some town spokesperson letting the Uber undriver off immediately. I've read subsequent stuff reversing that. But still.

It's still called ASU.

After viewing the tapes of both the dashcam and the camera focused on the driver I can see there were two major screwups: The self-driving computer didn't recognize the bicycle, and the backup driver was looking down instead at the road.

Bob78164 wrote:It wouldn't matter. In most jurisdictions, it's legally impossible to defame a dead person. I don't know one way or the other whether Arizona is an exception.

I was wondering if that was relevant to this as well, as defamation seemed like something only the "victim" themselves could claim, but not being a lawyer and all....

I will say that if it ever gets to the point where one can not make a verbal joke (taste being in the eye of the beholder) without the threat of a lawsuit hanging over them, then I'm checking out of this planet and finding one that makes a little more sense...

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littlebeast13 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:It wouldn't matter. In most jurisdictions, it's legally impossible to defame a dead person. I don't know one way or the other whether Arizona is an exception.

I was wondering if that was relevant to this as well, as defamation seemed like something only the "victim" themselves could claim, but not being a lawyer and all....

I will say that if it ever gets to the point where one can not make a verbal joke (taste being in the eye of the beholder) without the threat of a lawsuit hanging over them, then I'm checking out of this planet and finding one that makes a little more sense...

lb13

Ethical lawyers threaten lawsuits all the time. It's what they do. After all, they paid good money to go to school. I think "Threatening Lawsuits 101" is a required course at all major law schools.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:

littlebeast13 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:It wouldn't matter. In most jurisdictions, it's legally impossible to defame a dead person. I don't know one way or the other whether Arizona is an exception.

I was wondering if that was relevant to this as well, as defamation seemed like something only the "victim" themselves could claim, but not being a lawyer and all....

I will say that if it ever gets to the point where one can not make a verbal joke (taste being in the eye of the beholder) without the threat of a lawsuit hanging over them, then I'm checking out of this planet and finding one that makes a little more sense...

lb13

Ethical lawyers threaten lawsuits all the time. It's what they do. After all, they paid good money to go to school. I think "Threatening Lawsuits 101" is a required course at all major law schools.

Flock.... lighten the fuck up, dude.

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littlebeast13 wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote:

littlebeast13 wrote:

I was wondering if that was relevant to this as well, as defamation seemed like something only the "victim" themselves could claim, but not being a lawyer and all....

I will say that if it ever gets to the point where one can not make a verbal joke (taste being in the eye of the beholder) without the threat of a lawsuit hanging over them, then I'm checking out of this planet and finding one that makes a little more sense...

lb13

Ethical lawyers threaten lawsuits all the time. It's what they do. After all, they paid good money to go to school. I think "Threatening Lawsuits 101" is a required course at all major law schools.

Flock.... lighten the fuck up, dude.

lb13

So sue me.