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TheCalvinator24 · #1 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:43 am

Ben is a bad dude.

He's also a bad man.

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Did Ben really think the guy wouldn't shoot Alex?

Will Desmond be able to protect Penny from Ben?

MarleysGh0st · #2 Post by **MarleysGh0st** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:47 am

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I don't understand "the rules" that Ben thought should have protected Alex and that apparently still protected Mr. Whatshisname, when Ben confronted him.

The socks went down like flies last night!

TheCalvinator24 · #3 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:50 am

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It was intriguing for Ben to say "You and I both know I can't do that." when Widmore asked if he was there to kill him.

silverscreenselect · #4 Post by **silverscreenselect** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:12 am

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If there's really only going to be six or so total survivors (leaving the possibility that Locke and possibly a couple more like Bernard and Rose may have chosen to stay behind and that Sawyer may have decided to vanish into the woodwork, then there's going to have to be a good bit more bloodletting in seasons to come to get the total numbers down.

The fact that Ben and Widmore were working under "rules" which Widmore broke may indicate that they are part of some larger power group that's interested in the island. Perhaps it's some consortium of which they are two factions.

It should be about time for Desmond to beat the daylights out of Ben. He's practically the only one on the island who hasn't done so yet.

And did we establish how Ben wound up in the middle of the desert in the first place? It seemed like one of those bizarre island-caused wormhole effects that seems to crop up every now and then.

And if Ben can control the smoke monster, why did he sic it on the plane crash survivors in the first couple of shows when he still had his guy Ethan there and he was presumably trying to determine which of them to "recruit."

MarleysGh0st · #5 Post by **MarleysGh0st** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:25 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
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If there's really only going to be six or so total survivors (leaving the possibility that Locke and possibly a couple more like Bernard and Rose may have chosen to stay behind and that Sawyer may have decided to vanish into the woodwork, then there's going to have to be a good bit more bloodletting in seasons to come to get the total numbers down.

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As far as the outside world knows, there were only six survivors. The show hasn't said if all the others are really dead or just still stranded on the island, has it?

silverscreenselect wrote:
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And did we establish how Ben wound up in the middle of the desert in the first place? It seemed like one of those bizarre island-caused wormhole effects that seems to crop up every now and then.

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They sure made it look like a magic teleportation. And interesting how Ben seemed to know where he was, but wasn't sure when.

Rexer25 · #6 Post by **Rexer25** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:54 am

TheCalvinator24 wrote:
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It was intriguing for Ben to say "You and I both know I can't do that." when Widmore asked if he was there to kill him.

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I took that to mean that Widmore is Ben's anchor in the Daniel Farraday time travel sense.

MarleysGh0st · #7 Post by **MarleysGh0st** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:12 pm

Rexer25 wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote:
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It was intriguing for Ben to say "You and I both know I can't do that." when Widmore asked if he was there to kill him.

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I took that to mean that Widmore is Ben's anchor in the Daniel Farraday time travel sense.

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Dang! That actually makes sense, Rexer!

Rexer25 · #8 Post by **Rexer25** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:16 pm

MarleysGh0st wrote:
Rexer25 wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote:
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It was intriguing for Ben to say "You and I both know I can't do that." when Widmore asked if he was there to kill him.

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I took that to mean that Widmore is Ben's anchor in the Daniel Farraday time travel sense.

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Dang! That actually makes sense, Rexer!

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Quiet! Don't let that get around! If anyone I know thinks I actually made sense, they'll know this dumb-ass shtick is just an act!

MarleysGh0st · #9 Post by **MarleysGh0st** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:17 pm

Rexer25 wrote:
MarleysGh0st wrote:
Rexer25 wrote:
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I took that to mean that Widmore is Ben's anchor in the Daniel Farraday time travel sense.

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Dang! That actually makes sense, Rexer!

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Quiet! Don't let that get around! If anyone I know thinks I actually made sense, they'll know this dumb-ass shtick is just an act!

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It'll be our secret!

Hey, do you hear somebody else reading out there?

Rexer25 · #10 Post by **Rexer25** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:18 pm

MarleysGh0st wrote:
Rexer25 wrote:
MarleysGh0st wrote:
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Dang! That actually makes sense, Rexer!

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Quiet! Don't let that get around! If anyone I know thinks I actually made sense, they'll know this dumb-ass shtick is just an act!

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It'll be our secret!

Hey, do you hear somebody else reading out there?

It's just the smoke monster.

tanstaafl2 · #11 Post by **tanstaafl2** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:59 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
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The fact that Ben and Widmore were working under "rules" which Widmore broke may indicate that they are part of some larger power group that's interested in the island. Perhaps it's some consortium of which they are two factions.

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As I recall Widmore has a tie to the island that goes all the way back to the ship the "Black Rock". It seems clear the producers/writers have created an entirely new sub storyline involving the two of them to which we are only now slowly being introduced.

But I suspect without knowing of course that the consortium and factions involved have a more mystical component than the more business like nature that those terms might imply.

silverscreenselect wrote:
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It should be about time for Desmond to beat the daylights out of Ben. He's practically the only one on the island who hasn't done so yet.

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Clearly it would seem that they are building to some sort of confrontation involving Ben and Desmond and perhaps it will figure in the conclusion of the show. What it will be remains to be seen. Sayid may end up getting tangled up in it as well. Indeed presumably many of the surviving characters will (Hence Charlies admonition to Hurley that he must "go back"). I would guess that Ben may finally get his "comeuppance".

Or not. Anything goes with this show and hopefully the conclusion will be satisfying and yet not too conventional, given all that has gone before.

Of course that is a tall order for any TV show, even this one.

silverscreenselect wrote:
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And did we establish how Ben wound up in the middle of the desert in the first place? It seemed like one of those bizarre island-caused wormhole effects that seems to crop up every now and then.

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We did not as far as I can tell. But it did seem to be an island related phenomenon. It may be one of those that never gets fully explained.

silverscreenselect wrote:
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And if Ben can control the smoke monster, why did he sic it on the plane crash survivors in the first couple of shows when he still had his guy Ethan there and he was presumably trying to determine which of them to "recruit."

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I rather suspect that may be because when the smoke monster was making his debut the current story line that involves Ben was not even a twinkle in the producers and writers eye. Maybe they hope we forgot about that. Maybe the monster was pissed because of the disruption to his "home" that led to the crash in the first place and was on an uncontrolled rampage. Maybe I could go on for some time and maybe we will never know. Yep, that seems most likely!

But Jacob would know...

silverscreenselect · #12 Post by **silverscreenselect** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:23 pm

Rexer25 wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote:
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It was intriguing for Ben to say "You and I both know I can't do that." when Widmore asked if he was there to kill him.

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I took that to mean that Widmore is Ben's anchor in the Daniel Farraday time travel sense.

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That would explain why Ben couldn't kill Widmore, but it wouldn't explain why Ben felt that Widmore wouldn't kill his daughter, or why Widmore couldn't kill him.

A guy like Widmore is smart enough to know that Ben isn't a good sort to just let hanging around loose.