North Carolina's Republican Party out of touch with reality

[Bob Juch]

Republican U.S. presidential candidate John McCain accused North Carolina's Republican Party of being "out of touch with reality" over its refusal to pull an advertisement criticizing Democrat Barack Obama.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... 9420080425

[etaoin22]

I find this story fascinating, really fascinating.

By the way, in Canada, thanks to an enormous New Brunswick company,
McCain as a name is synonymous with frozen French Fries, (as well as frozen fake French Fries, frozen Pizza Pockets, and so on.)

I imagine the dear Senator in private has probably advised in much spunkier terms, that the adverts should be deep-sixed, until the Dems are 100% committed to Obama.

Because. if Democratic party incumbents begin to feel the heat too fast -- well, they form the superdelegate crowd which can unmake the making of the candidate!

[nitrah55]

When the Wright thing was breaking a few weeks ago, McCain said he didn't think Obama should be held responsible for the views of people who support him.

McCain is being consistent.

Of course, it takes the "guilt by association" argument against McCain (if any) out of Obama's hands if he's the nominee. On the other hand, Hillary could use it, if she's the nominee.

Oh, there's some number crunching in a blog at the NY Times. Basically, it says Hillary has to win 68% of the still available elected delegates to draw even with Obama in delegate count.

[Bob Juch]

When the Wright thing was breaking a few weeks ago, McCain said he didn't think Obama should be held responsible for the views of people who support him.

Of course not; otherwise he'd be held responsible for the views of John Hagee on New Orleans.

[silverscreenselect]

I recall that George Bush also "denounced" the Swift Boat attacks.

McCain is giving himself separation from these people and from the Rush Limbaughs of the world who have claimed he isn't conservative enough. He can still tell independents and moderate to conservative Democrats that he's not part of this and also that Rush doesn't speak for him (Rush himself makes a point almost every day of saying he doesn't endorse McCain).

The NC ad smacks to me of test marketing, much the same as if McDonalds was trying out a new sandwich. It's really pretty silly for the Republicans to be airing this ad now as an attempt to "define" the two Democratic gubernatorial candidates (both of whom have endorsd Obama). That type of ad would be much more effective in the fall closer to the general election.

But they and the Republicans in general are really interested in seeing just how much impact raising the Wright issue will have on Obama himself in the primary. If it backfires and Obama wins big in NC, Hillary's the loser and they just refine their pitch a bit. If it works and Hillary keeps it close (or even wins NC), they know they've got some valuable ammunition and you can expect to see Wright, Rezko, Ayers and company mentioned in every attack ad from now to November.

[wbtravis007]

I recall that George Bush also "denounced" the Swift Boat attacks.

McCain is giving himself separation from these people and from the Rush Limbaughs of the world who have claimed he isn't conservative enough. He can still tell independents and moderate to conservative Democrats that he's not part of this and also that Rush doesn't speak for him (Rush himself makes a point almost every day of saying he doesn't endorse McCain).

The NC ad smacks to me of test marketing, much the same as if McDonalds was trying out a new sandwich. It's really pretty silly for the Republicans to be airing this ad now as an attempt to "define" the two Democratic gubernatorial candidates (both of whom have endorsd Obama). That type of ad would be much more effective in the fall closer to the general election.

But they and the Republicans in general are really interested in seeing just how much impact raising the Wright issue will have on Obama himself in the primary. If it backfires and Obama wins big in NC, Hillary's the loser and they just refine their pitch a bit. If it works and Hillary keeps it close (or even wins NC), they know they've got some valuable ammunition and you can expect to see Wright, Rezko, Ayers and company mentioned in every attack ad from now to November.

I guess I missed the memo that sss was conceding the nomination to Obama. Welcome to the dark side.

I think it's very plausible that these are being run in part because McCain (and others in the party) still would rather run against Hillary. They're probably just as stubborn as she is on the point of wanting to see her be the nominee, even in the face of really, really long odds.

sss's idea about a test-run could well be true, too.

[kusch]

When the Wright thing was breaking a few weeks ago, McCain said he didn't think Obama should be held responsible for the views of people who support him.

McCain is being consistent.

Of course, it takes the "guilt by association" argument against McCain (if any) out of Obama's hands if he's the nominee. On the other hand, Hillary could use it, if she's the nominee.

Oh, there's some number crunching in a blog at the NY Times. Basically, it says Hillary has to win 68% of the still available elected delegates to draw even with Obama in delegate count.

I happened to watch Karl Rove on ??? (can't remember what network it was ) last night and he said Hillary needs 58%. Wonder which one is closer to being correct--58 or 68? I think either one is not a real doable deal. I am pretty convinced in my mind that both will now be on the ticket. If that is the case, I think I will be ponying up my bet with wb. If either one runs with someone else, I have will have a chance to win my bet.

[wbtravis007]

When the Wright thing was breaking a few weeks ago, McCain said he didn't think Obama should be held responsible for the views of people who support him.

McCain is being consistent.

Of course, it takes the "guilt by association" argument against McCain (if any) out of Obama's hands if he's the nominee. On the other hand, Hillary could use it, if she's the nominee.

Oh, there's some number crunching in a blog at the NY Times. Basically, it says Hillary has to win 68% of the still available elected delegates to draw even with Obama in delegate count.

I happened to watch Karl Rove on ??? (can't remember what network it was ) last night and he said Hillary needs 58%. Wonder which one is closer to being correct--58 or 68? I think either one is not a real doable deal. I am pretty convinced in my mind that both will now be on the ticket. If that is the case, I think I will be ponying up my bet with wb. If either one runs with someone else, I have will have a chance to win my bet.

Kusch- I'd be willing to bet an equal amount (same deal) that they will not be on the ticket together. Hell, I'll even sweeten it by just betting that she won't be on the ticket.

[Appa23]

When the Wright thing was breaking a few weeks ago, McCain said he didn't think Obama should be held responsible for the views of people who support him.

McCain is being consistent.

Of course, it takes the "guilt by association" argument against McCain (if any) out of Obama's hands if he's the nominee. On the other hand, Hillary could use it, if she's the nominee.

Oh, there's some number crunching in a blog at the NY Times. Basically, it says Hillary has to win 68% of the still available elected delegates to draw even with Obama in delegate count.

I happened to watch Karl Rove on ??? (can't remember what network it was ) last night and he said Hillary needs 58%. Wonder which one is closer to being correct--58 or 68? I think either one is not a real doable deal. I am pretty convinced in my mind that both will now be on the ticket. If that is the case, I think I will be ponying up my bet with wb. If either one runs with someone else, I have will have a chance to win my bet.

Oddly enough, if the Democratic Party did not have such a bass-ackward, convoluted process for winning delegates (and Superdelegates, in a big "F U" to the common man), Hillary Clinton would be well on her way to sewing up the nomination after winning Pennsylvania (espeically if you decide to award her Michigan and Florida).

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/20 ... 7/hillary/

I really hope that the DNC keeps screwing things up until the Convention. For once, it will be "Must See TV".

[kusch]

When the Wright thing was breaking a few weeks ago, McCain said he didn't think Obama should be held responsible for the views of people who support him.

McCain is being consistent.

Of course, it takes the "guilt by association" argument against McCain (if any) out of Obama's hands if he's the nominee. On the other hand, Hillary could use it, if she's the nominee.

Oh, there's some number crunching in a blog at the NY Times. Basically, it says Hillary has to win 68% of the still available elected delegates to draw even with Obama in delegate count.

I happened to watch Karl Rove on ??? (can't remember what network it was ) last night and he said Hillary needs 58%. Wonder which one is closer to being correct--58 or 68? I think either one is not a real doable deal. I am pretty convinced in my mind that both will now be on the ticket. If that is the case, I think I will be ponying up my bet with wb. If either one runs with someone else, I have will have a chance to win my bet.

Kusch- I'd be willing to bet an equal amount (same deal) that they will not be on the ticket together. Hell, I'll even sweeten it by just betting that she won't be on the ticket.

Pass.

And now reading nitrah's post his 68% refers to "elected delegates" and I think Rove was saying 58% of the remaining "delegates" which would included super. Maybe not. I happened to also watch Lanny Davis and our own Ed Schultz on Larry King last night. I don't think some from the Hillary camp like some from the Obama camp--and vice versa.

[Jeemie]

The NC ad smacks to me of test marketing, much the same as if McDonalds was trying out a new sandwich. It's really pretty silly for the Republicans to be airing this ad now as an attempt to "define" the two Democratic gubernatorial candidates (both of whom have endorsd Obama). That type of ad would be much more effective in the fall closer to the general election.

It's test-marketing all right.

A more devastating 527 ad is on the way. It has a female voice reciting the details of three brutal gang-related murders in Illinois in 2001 while then reminding everyone that Illinois State Senator Barack Obama voted against a proposed law to give the death penalty to anyone who was involved in a gang-related murder. These three murders were in the Illinois headlines at the time of the vote.

The same group promised more such ads after that one, but didn't divulge any details.

And, on the left, Soros and company are gearing up for millions of dollars in 527s in the fall as well.

This is just a tiny foretaste of what August-November will be like

[takinover]

This is just a tiny foretaste of what August-November will be like

I think this may be the thing that finally makes me get a TIVO or something that I can record and completely skip commercials with.

[Spock]

Thank You-John Mccain for the 527's.

The NC ad smacks to me of test marketing, much the same as if McDonalds was trying out a new sandwich. It's really pretty silly for the Republicans to be airing this ad now as an attempt to "define" the two Democratic gubernatorial candidates (both of whom have endorsd Obama). That type of ad would be much more effective in the fall closer to the general election.

It's test-marketing all right.

A more devastating 527 ad is on the way. It has a female voice reciting the details of three brutal gang-related murders in Illinois in 2001 while then reminding everyone that Illinois State Senator Barack Obama voted against a proposed law to give the death penalty to anyone who was involved in a gang-related murder. These three murders were in the Illinois headlines at the time of the vote.

The same group promised more such ads after that one, but didn't divulge any details.

And, on the left, Soros and company are gearing up for millions of dollars in 527s in the fall as well.

This is just a tiny foretaste of what August-November will be like

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

Thank You-John Mccain for the 527's.

Now that's funny.


Spock, Breaker Morant made somebody's list of fav movies

http://tinyurl.com/6o58jz

[Spock]

Thank You-John Mccain for the 527's.

Now that's funny.


Spock, Breaker Morant made somebody's list of fav movies

http://tinyurl.com/6o58jz

Yeah, I had saw that column too. I was happy to see it.
Just to reiterate my top faves

#1-Breaker Morant (Now and forever)
#2-Rob Roy (Unlikely to happen, but could be moved under the right circumstances)
#3-Secondhand Lions

[Spock]

Thank You-John Mccain for the 527's.

Now that's funny.


Spock, Breaker Morant made somebody's list of fav movies

http://tinyurl.com/6o58jz

Yeah, I had saw that column too. I was happy to see it.
Just to reiterate my top faves

#1-Breaker Morant (Now and forever)
#2-Rob Roy (Unlikely to happen, but could be moved under the right circumstances)
#3-Secondhand Lions

I reread the column-I had seen an earlier one where he mentioned the movie-I see he had the Searchers on the list. The scene that always comes to mind for me (and is often mentioned in discussions of the movie) is the one where Ward Bond notices Ethan's S-I-L fondness for Ethan. I saw a recent discussion that the Natalie Woods character might even be Ethan's daughter-I had not thought of that.

[Ritterskoop]

I just heard several stations here will not air the ad.

[earendel]

All I can say is that Rev. Wright is certainly enjoying his 15 minutes of fame. He addressed the national NAACP convention this weekend and I heard that he will be addressing the National Press Club today.

Bob Edwards interviewed Michael Eric Dyson on Edwards' radio show Saturday. Dyson gave me a perspective to view Wright's rather inflammatory comments that I hadn't considered before (and I'm sure will rankle some people here). After noting that Martin Luther King, Jr. also made some "inflammatory" statements to his African-American audiences, Dyson noted that Wright's comments were in the classic Old Testament prophetic tradition, mentioning Jeremiah in particular. The prophets condemned the nation and warned of God's judgment, even to the destruction of the nation. And the prophets were no more popular in their day.

[kusch]

All I can say is that Rev. Wright is certainly enjoying his 15 minutes of fame. He addressed the national NAACP convention this weekend and I heard that he will be addressing the National Press Club today.

Bob Edwards interviewed Michael Eric Dyson on Edwards' radio show Saturday. Dyson gave me a perspective to view Wright's rather inflammatory comments that I hadn't considered before (and I'm sure will rankle some people here). After noting that Martin Luther King, Jr. also made some "inflammatory" statements to his African-American audiences, Dyson noted that Wright's comments were in the classic Old Testament prophetic tradition, mentioning Jeremiah in particular. The prophets condemned the nation and warned of God's judgment, even to the destruction of the nation. And the prophets were no more popular in their day.

Ear, are you saying Wright is a prophet? Who is and how does one become a prophet?

[earendel]

All I can say is that Rev. Wright is certainly enjoying his 15 minutes of fame. He addressed the national NAACP convention this weekend and I heard that he will be addressing the National Press Club today.

Bob Edwards interviewed Michael Eric Dyson on Edwards' radio show Saturday. Dyson gave me a perspective to view Wright's rather inflammatory comments that I hadn't considered before (and I'm sure will rankle some people here). After noting that Martin Luther King, Jr. also made some "inflammatory" statements to his African-American audiences, Dyson noted that Wright's comments were in the classic Old Testament prophetic tradition, mentioning Jeremiah in particular. The prophets condemned the nation and warned of God's judgment, even to the destruction of the nation. And the prophets were no more popular in their day.

Ear, are you saying Wright is a prophet? Who is and how does one become a prophet?

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that one way to view Wright's words is through the lens of Old Testament prophets. It's important to know that in the Bible prophets are not so much "foretellers" as they are "forthtellers"; that is, their primary purpose is not to predict the future but rather to address the shortcomings of the people. The "future stuff" is generally given in that context, and almost always provisionally: "If you don't mend your ways, God will bring the Babylonians down upon you and the nation will be destroyed."