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The Deep State/CIA Cabals and Rogue Generals-I Get Confused

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:29 am
by Spock
With people like Bill Kristol (an anti-Trump Republican) hoping for the triumph of the Deep State and "X" number of leftists hoping for a military coups.

Are secret CIA cabals and plotting generals going to be the heroes of the next series of Holylwood movies and is the lone guy who is trying to stop them going to be the bad guy?

I think it is really cute when people like Sarah Silverman (who called for a coup) and lefty professors just automatically assume that the military would be on their side in any coups/civil war situation.

Per the Russians-Ted Kennedy had the Kremlin on speed-dial in the early 80's trying to figure out a way to beat Reagan.

In the light of recent events-Where are we all on that now? Was that a good thing or a bad thing? As I said I get confused.

Re: The Deep State/CIA Cabals and Rogue Generals-I Get Confu

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:00 am
by Bob Juch
Spock wrote:With people like Bill Kristol (an anti-Trump Republican) hoping for the triumph of the Deep State and "X" number of leftists hoping for a military coup.

Are secret CIA cabals and plotting generals going to be the heroes of the next series of Hollywood movies and is the lone guy who is trying to stop them going to be the bad guy?

I think it is really cute when people like Sarah Silverman (who called for a coup) and lefty professors just automatically assume that the military would be on their side in any coups/civil war situation.

Per the Russians-Ted Kennedy had the Kremlin on speed-dial in the early 80's trying to figure out a way to beat Reagan.

In the light of recent events-Where are we all on that now? Was that a good thing or a bad thing? As I said I get confused.
If there's a coup, it will be by the CIA and won't be armed. It's already been leaked that Trump's daily security briefings are limited to a page or less versus the six to twelve pages for Obama. Also, that certain information is being withheld from Trump as it's feared that he will pass on the details to his buddy Putin.

Re: The Deep State/CIA Cabals and Rogue Generals-I Get Confu

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:16 am
by silverscreenselect
If Trump wants to find out who's been leaking the information, he could start by grilling all his buddies at Mar-a-Lago, who got an up close and personal look at supposedly sensitive diplomatic discussions (and the nuclear football as well).

Re: The Deep State/CIA Cabals and Rogue Generals-I Get Confu

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:26 am
by Spock
This example of Rosa Brooks, a Georgetown law professor and former Obama official, throwing in the idea of a military coups (confusingly mixed with a lot of other stuff)

From Powerline.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... -coups.php

The relevant quote:

Ms. Brooks said>>"For the first time in my life, I can imagine plausible scenarios in which senior military officials might simply tell the president: “No, sir. We’re not doing that,” to thunderous applause from the New York Times editorial board.

Powerline said>>>"Several things are funny about this.........3) The idea that “applause from the New York Times editorial board” is somehow a relevant factor in a world where the Army is staging a coup is a wonderful illustration of the American Left’s distance from reality."

Re: The Deep State/CIA Cabals and Rogue Generals-I Get Confu

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:48 am
by Spock
Bob Juch>>>f there's a coup, it will be by the CIA and won't be armed. It's already been leaked that Trump's daily security briefings are limited to a page or less versus the six to twelve pages for Obama. Also, that certain information is being withheld from Trump as it's feared that he will pass on the details to his buddy Putin.<<<<

I have said this before, but I find it very hard to take the newfound hawkishness of the left on Russia seriously.

Obama, midway through his 8 years, snarkily dismissed even the idea of Russia as a geopolitical foe in the most snarky, 15 YO mean girl fashion possible-Presumably, to the wild cheers of his voting base-most of whom are now newfound hawks on Russia.

As a reminder-he said to Romney in a debate when Romney raised the idea of Russia as geopolitical foe-"“You said Russia. And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. "

This is not ancient history-it is only 4 years ago.

Re: The Deep State/CIA Cabals and Rogue Generals-I Get Confu

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:08 am
by silverscreenselect
Spock wrote:
I have said this before, but I find it very hard to take the newfound hawkishness of the left on Russia seriously.
Well, it's easy to get upset at a foreign government that directly interferes in a presidential election to help your opponent win.

Re: The Deep State/CIA Cabals and Rogue Generals-I Get Confu

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:21 am
by Spock
silverscreenselect wrote:
Spock wrote:
I have said this before, but I find it very hard to take the newfound hawkishness of the left on Russia seriously.
Well, it's easy to get upset at a foreign government that directly interferes in a presidential election to help your opponent win.
So that is the only thing that woke you up to Russia as a possible geo-political foe? You were good with Russia until then and supported Obama's Russia policy which was, essentially, to bend over and grab the ankles without even asking for a reach-around?

Re: The Deep State/CIA Cabals and Rogue Generals-I Get Confu

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:25 am
by eyégor
This entire thing shows the warts on the right and the left. The anti Trump right by actively rooting for collosal failure of the administration, the alt-right for trying to create that failure, the so-called mainstream left for cowering under their desks in disbelief more than 3 months after the election and the lunatic fringe calling for overthrow of the government.

Is there no common sense left in this country?

Re: The Deep State/CIA Cabals and Rogue Generals-I Get Confu

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:27 am
by Bob78164
eyégor wrote:Is there no common sense left in this country?
You saw the election results. You still need to ask that question? --Bob

Re: The Deep State/CIA Cabals and Rogue Generals-I Get Confu

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:13 pm
by BackInTex
Bob78164 wrote:
eyégor wrote:Is there no common sense left in this country?
You saw the election results. You still need to ask that question? --Bob
I know, right? There was like 65,844,610 people who voted voted for Killery. Crazy!

Re: The Deep State/CIA Cabals and Rogue Generals-I Get Confu

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:16 pm
by Bob78164
Here's the thing. Until 2019, it's going to take Republican office holders to do the investigating necessary to find out just how deeply Donny is caught in Putin's pocket. And they probably won't insist on it unless their voters do. So although I will continue to clang the alarm bells, I don't really expect much to happen until Republican and independent voters start insisting that their Representatives and Senators execute their oversight responsibilities. If the investigations find what I expect, the result will be a quick promotion for Vice President Pence, so I really think it's in your political interest as well as being your patriotic duty. --Bob