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The Electoral College will not have 270 votes for Trump thus sending the election to the House of Representatives who will choose another Republican.

Bob Juch wrote:The Electoral College will not have 270 votes for Trump thus sending the election to the House of Representatives who will choose another Republican.

Based on your prediction history, I predict you are wrong.

My prediction is that there will be maybe one faithless elector, which has happened several times before. But Trump will bitch and complain about it like no other elected President ever has.

elwoodblues wrote:My prediction is that there will be maybe one faithless elector, which has happened several times before. But Trump will bitch and complain about it like no other elected President ever has.

And the liberals will bitch and complain about it like they have for the past month and a half, more than any group has ever complained about something they are responsible for.

I'm predicting Trump will get more than 306

Bob Juch wrote:The Electoral College will not have 270 votes for Trump thus sending the election to the House of Representatives who will choose another Republican.

You're assuming that there are at least 35 Republican electors who care about America instead of themselves or their party. Clearly, you're more optimistic than I am. I predict that 5 or fewer Republican electors will vote for somebody other than the pussygrabber-in-grief. The rest of the undecided Republican electors will chicken out and satisfy Drumpf's ego instead.

pussygrabber-in-grief

Bill Clinton was not even on the ballot.

Once again I will say I do not like Trump, and I did not vote for him. But every day since the election, hearing the hate, hypocrisy, lies, and fake news that the left is spewing every day, aided by the main stream media, I thank God that we elected him instead of the Clintons. The aforementioned will keep trying to delegitimize him every day. And useful idiots will rally to the narrative. But he was duly vetted during the primaries, to my disappointment, and he did what he needed to in order to get the nomination. And he was duly elected.
When President Obama was elected, twice, many people were disappointed, including me, because we completely disagreed with his policies. But we did not do what is being done by the left. We did not riot, we did not pressure electors to change their pledged vote. We did not set up safe houses where we could cry about the future of the country.

When will the left get it? Most of the country is tired of your shit. We are tired of being called names and tired of being put into groups. The left and the democratic party is to blame for President Trump. Even I would probably have voted for Bernie Sanders if he were the nominee. I would have done so knowing that he could never accomplish his agenda and we would be deadlocked for 4 years. But the democrat leadership decided that Hillary Clinton would be their nominee as soon, or probably before, she declared her candidacy.

The Russians did not make the democrat party cheat Clinton into the nomination. Wikileaks did not make Clinton install a private email server and make her lie about it. Donald Trump did not force Donna Brazile to give Clinton debate questions, or make Clinton use them.
The Republicans did not make her call half of Trump supporters deplorable, irredeemable racists, homophobes, islamophobes whatever. The democrats did all that and more to themselves. And now they double down on it, ignoring the fact that we now KNOW for sure how they operate. The truth may have come from a questionable and atrocious source, but it is the truth nonetheless. And it is worse than anything that Donald Trump has said, has been taken out of context saying, or has done. And most of the country knows that.

So as a Never Trumper, I will say I will give him a chance. If he resists the path of Obama and doesn't try to use his phone and pen to make his own laws, we have 2 other branches that will keep him in check. And there are enough opponents even in his own party that will resist anything that is too extreme.

For you leftists, you have dug your own hole. I said long ago that you may have applauded President Obama for overriding the 'do nothing' Congress by refusing to enforce laws that were on the books and creating his own laws by executive action. But sooner or later there will be someone whose policies you don't like who now will have the same options through his precedents. It came sooner rather than later.

Oh, and I preict BJ's clairvoyance is as bad as his spelling.

Pastor Fireball wrote:

Bob Juch wrote:The Electoral College will not have 270 votes for Trump thus sending the election to the House of Representatives who will choose another Republican.

You're assuming that there are at least 35 Republican electors who care about America instead of themselves or their party. Clearly, you're more optimistic than I am. I predict that 5 or fewer Republican electors will vote for somebody other than the pussygrabber-in-grief. The rest of the undecided Republican electors will chicken out and satisfy Drumpf's ego instead.

Remember the Electors are Republican Party loyalists, not Trump loyalists.

While I'd love for Bob J to be right - Ain't gonna happen. There will be one dissenting elector.

Bob Juch wrote:The Electoral College will not have 270 votes for Trump thus sending the election to the House of Representatives who will choose another Republican.

Do you have some weird fascination with making sure your wrongness is in print for all to see, or is this just a massive troll job?

Jeemie wrote:

Bob Juch wrote:The Electoral College will not have 270 votes for Trump thus sending the election to the House of Representatives who will choose another Republican.

Do you have some weird fascination with making sure your wrongness is in print for all to see, or is this just a massive troll job?

I'm sure he is a close cousin to Anthony Weiner, so yes.

jaybee wrote:While I'd love for Bob J to be right - Ain't gonna happen. There will be one dissenting elector.

If that happens, there will be hell to pay like we've never seen before. You'd better pray it doesn't happen.

During the last debate, when Trump was asked the question whether he'd accept the election results if he lost (and of course Hillary was not asked that question), he said he'd wait and see. Normal people knew he meant if there were any questions of legitimacy, he would use legal means like Al Gore Did. Clinton immediately decided to fear monger and said he would jeopardize our entire society if he didn't accept her win, and of course the main stream media joined her instead of correcting her.

Now the left is actually attempting to do what she outlined. If they succeed, they will tear this country apart. It shows that they are only interested in power, not the well-being of the country.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: Now the left is actually attempting to do what she outlined. If they succeed, they will tear this country apart. It shows that they are only interested in power, not the well-being of the country.

For an exercise in raw power grabbing, take a look at the North Carolina legislature.

BTW, the first mention of dissenting electors this election came from a couple of Bernie Sanders supporters in Washington and Colorado who said before the election that they would not vote for Hillary.

But it's interesting to see how many Republicans with "consciences" like Flock and a lot of the members in Congress have put those consciences in their back pocket now that Trump has won the election and plan to go ahead with business as usual.

I'm actually fairly confident that Trump and the Republicans are going to screw things up just as badly this time as the last time they had a "mandate," in 2004. You'll recall then that Bush actually won the popular vote and proclaimed that he was going to cash in some political chips by going after Social Security, the same way the Republicans are going to go after Medicare now. And with completely unsuited people in charge of numerous Cabinet departments, it's only a matter of time before something blows up in their faces big time, the same way Hurricane Katrina hit Bush. Sadly, if it does happen in the foreign policy area, a lot of people are going to suffer. The people in Michigan and Wisconsin and Ohio and Pennsylvania who voted for Trump weren't necessarily sold on his agenda (since he never really had an agenda other than building the wall), so they aren't likely to give him a whole lot of rope if they don't see some results.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:

jaybee wrote:While I'd love for Bob J to be right - Ain't gonna happen. There will be one dissenting elector.

If that happens, there will be hell to pay like we've never seen before. You'd better pray it doesn't happen.

During the last debate, when Trump was asked the question whether he'd accept the election results if he lost (and of course Hillary was not asked that question), he said he'd wait and see. Normal people knew he meant if there were any questions of legitimacy, he would use legal means like Al Gore Did. Clinton immediately decided to fear monger and said he would jeopardize our entire society if he didn't accept her win, and of course the main stream media joined her instead of correcting her.

Now the left is actually attempting to do what she outlined. If they succeed, they will tear this country apart. It shows that they are only interested in power, not the well-being of the country.

There are many on the right that are still against Trump. More now that the Russian connection is coming out.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:We are tired of being called names and tired of being put into groups.

You mean like "libtard"?

There has been entirely too much namecalling on both sides. It is inescapable...and it is vicious. At this rate, we are setting up "Civil War--The Sequel".

I was not crazy about the thought of a Clinton presidency. I am terrified at the thought of what a vindictive, petty, vengeful President Trump is capable of. NO PRESIDENT should be without the ability to think before speaking (tweeting). Diplomats will be working 24/7 to undo his gaffes. Whenever he is criticized/parodied, he takes to Twitter like a 12 year-old girl who was made fun of by the "mean girls". A president CANNOT react like that. He HAS to have tougher skin. If he can't handle a Saturday Night Live skit, or an article in VANITY FAIR, how will he handle criticism from a world leader, even an ally (if Merkel says something negative, will he call her a a fat cow?) I truly fear that we have elected World War III.

I am hoping you are right and that cooler congressional heads will prevail and keep the most outlandish things from getting through. I see too much partisan politics these days to be totally confident in that regard. It seems that if a Democrat or a Republican came up with a surefire idea to attain world peace, the other side would shoot it down because THEIR party didn't come up with it. Too much "us against them" and not enough "all of us in it together". Lincoln said it best..A House Divided, etc.

Despite my absolute distaste for our President-Elect, I am completely against the Electoral College switching their "loyalties". This is the way our government is set up...the will of the people should be followed. If/when the popular vote becomes the new norm, then fine. For now, this is the way it is. A handful of people should not disregard the will of so many. To me it sets a dangerous precedent when the results of a nationwide election can be changed just because some people didn't care for the way it turned out.

God Bless America, and God help us all.


OK, I am returning to my little musical posts now.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Most of the country is tired of your shit.

You do realize that the Democratic candidate for President has won the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 Presidential elections, including the one just concluded?

Most of the country's voters wanted Hillary Clinton to be our next President. Most of the country's voters wanted Democrats representing them in the House and in the Senate. Most of the country voted for the current incumbent, who was blocked by a naked power grab from exercising his constitutional perogative to appoint a Justice to fill a vacancy on the Supreme Court. What we have here is nothing less than a minority takeover of the entire federal government.

I expect my Senators and Representative to give the Republicans every bit as much cooperation as the Republicans gave the current incumbent. And now that my firm has committed a substantial block of pro bono time for this purpose, I expect to use my professional talents to use all the tools the law affords those of us in the majority to protect our interests. --Bob

But it's interesting to see how many Republicans with "consciences" like Flock and a lot of the members in Congress have put those consciences in their back pocket now that Trump has won the election and plan to go ahead with business as usual.

What the hell are you talking about?

Bob78164 wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Most of the country is tired of your shit.

You do realize that the Democratic candidate for President has won the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 Presidential elections, including the one just concluded?

Most of the country's voters wanted Hillary Clinton to be our next President. Most of the country's voters wanted Democrats representing them in the House and in the Senate. Most of the country voted for the current incumbent, who was blocked by a naked power grab from exercising his constitutional perogative to appoint a Justice to fill a vacancy on the Supreme Court. What we have here is nothing less than a minority takeover of the entire federal government.

I expect my Senators and Representative to give the Republicans every bit as much cooperation as the Republicans gave the current incumbent. And now that my firm has committed a substantial block of pro bono time for this purpose, I expect to use my professional talents to use all the tools the law affords those of us in the majority to protect our interests. --Bob

The popular vote is not how the President is elected. California, and in particular, LA and SF, is the only reason Clinton got more popular votes. And I for one don't want to be governed by California. That is exactly the reason the founders established the Electoral College.

Congress also has a Constitutional perogative. And it was reinforced by President Obama's precedent of ignoring the enforcement of laws passed by Congress.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Most of the country is tired of your shit.

You do realize that the Democratic candidate for President has won the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 Presidential elections, including the one just concluded?

Most of the country's voters wanted Hillary Clinton to be our next President. Most of the country's voters wanted Democrats representing them in the House and in the Senate. Most of the country voted for the current incumbent, who was blocked by a naked power grab from exercising his constitutional perogative to appoint a Justice to fill a vacancy on the Supreme Court. What we have here is nothing less than a minority takeover of the entire federal government.

I expect my Senators and Representative to give the Republicans every bit as much cooperation as the Republicans gave the current incumbent. And now that my firm has committed a substantial block of pro bono time for this purpose, I expect to use my professional talents to use all the tools the law affords those of us in the majority to protect our interests. --Bob

The popular vote is not how the President is elected. California, and in particular, LA and SF, is the only reason Clinton got more popular votes. And I for one don't want to be governed by California. That is exactly the reason the founders established the Electoral College.

Congress also has a Constitutional perogative. And it was reinforced by President Obama's precedent of ignoring the enforcement of laws passed by Congress.

Our votes are worth just as much as yours. And it's flatly false to say that we are the only reason she won the popular vote. Secretary Clinton won tens of millions of votes throughout the country.

This is a minority government that fully intends to impose its will on a majority that opposes it. It's my patriotic duty to oppose their efforts with every tool at my disposal. I'll be doing so. --Bob

Bob78164 wrote: This is a minority government that fully intends to impose its will on a majority that opposes it. It's my patriotic duty to oppose their efforts with every tool at my disposal. I'll be doing so. --Bob

I'm sorry about missing your post where you said you supported the majority's desire to ban gay marriage. I did miss it, right? Or did you not post because you were busy doing the pro bono work to get Prop 8 approved by a court that supported the will of the people?

BackInTex wrote:

Bob78164 wrote: This is a minority government that fully intends to impose its will on a majority that opposes it. It's my patriotic duty to oppose their efforts with every tool at my disposal. I'll be doing so. --Bob

I'm sorry about missing your post where you said you supported the majority's desire to ban gay marriage. I did miss it, right? Or did you not post because you were busy doing the pro bono work to get Prop 8 approved by a court that supported the will of the people?

Where you got the idea the majority of Americans want to ban gay marriage, they're wrong.

BackInTex wrote:

Bob78164 wrote: This is a minority government that fully intends to impose its will on a majority that opposes it. It's my patriotic duty to oppose their efforts with every tool at my disposal. I'll be doing so. --Bob

I'm sorry about missing your post where you said you supported the majority's desire to ban gay marriage. I did miss it, right? Or did you not post because you were busy doing the pro bono work to get Prop 8 approved by a court that supported the will of the people?

The people (both in California and nationwide) now support freedom to marry. It's amazing what happens when people actually live the experience of their neighbors (same-sex or opposite-sex) having the opportunity to marry. They quickly realize that neither their own marriages nor their values are threatened. More to the point, civil rights (such as the right to marry) aren't subject to popular vote.

But things like the Affordable Care Act, Social Security, and Medicare are. And we are about to see how far a minority government is willing to go to contravene the majority's will on issues that most certainly are subject to the political process. --Bob

Bob78164 wrote:The people (both in California and nationwide) now support freedom to marry. It's amazing what happens when people actually live the experience of their neighbors (same-sex or opposite-sex) having the opportunity to marry. They quickly realize that neither their own marriages nor their values are threatened. More to the point, civil rights (such as the right to marry) aren't subject to popular vote.

But things like the Affordable Care Act, Social Security, and Medicare are. And we are about to see how far a minority government is willing to go to contravene the majority's will on issues that most certainly are subject to the political process. --Bob

You don't know that. Just like everything else you think everyone thinks or should think like you. The only definitive count of who did or didn't, in California, was the Prop 8 vote and it showed the majority was against it.

Unless I missed another vote on that subject that took place in California.

Predictions are hard, especially about the future.

Who had, "Trump will increase his lead over Hillary" in the pool?