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RIP Leonard Cohen
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:50 pm
by Bob Juch
Re: RIP Leonard Cohen
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:51 pm
by ghostjmf
No, no, no, no, no
Re: RIP Leonard Cohen
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:36 pm
by BackInTex
ghostjmf wrote:No, no, no, no, no
You're thinking of Ringo.
Re: RIP Leonard Cohen
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 1:40 am
by Ritterskoop
I just wanted to say out loud that I have always thought "Hallelujah" was about sex and that I think it's little creepy they play it on TV shows when someone dies.
Except kd lang can sing it anytime she wants and for any reason, cause damn.
Re: RIP Leonard Cohen
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:02 am
by ghostjmf
There are 7 or more verses Cohen has sung at one time or another. Taken from various albums there are 7, I think. I have files saved but can't link from this tablet. At any rate, at funerals people generally leave the "Bathsheba/Delilah w/ a little S&M thrown in" 2nd verse out, which they probably shouldn't because the 1st verse *is* about King David, & the "dove of sex" verse out, which I would definitely leave out if I were singing it.
The Buckley version kept the "dove of sex" verse but left out the verse Cohen always closed with.
Haven't heard Lang version but will play it when I'm not paying for connect time.
Buckley learned song from John Cale recording. Cale had asked Cohen for lyrics & was faxed "15 verses", according to story.
While Cohen was writing song, friends found him in his hotel room "in his underwear, bsnging his head on the floor, surrounded by 80 verses".
Its not easy being a poet.
For some.
Reportedly, Cohen suffered from severe depression until the last 10 or 20 years of his life
I tend to think the "15 verses" & "80 verses" were really "15 "pages" & "80 *pages*" but maybe not.
Re: RIP Leonard Cohen
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:13 am
by ghostjmf
The producer of the album "Various Positions", on which "Hallelujah" 1st appeared, who in interviews allows he tweaked the tune "a little", knew they had a hit, but the label didn't & didn't even put the album out in the US. (It was eventually released here on a tiny label.) So he never signed the contract to get paid as arranger for future royalties from cover versions. He's philosophical about it.
Re: RIP Leonard Cohen
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:18 am
by Bob Juch
ghostjmf wrote:There are 7 or more verses Cohen has sung at one time or another. Taken from various albums there are 7, I think. I have files saved but can't link from this tablet. At any rate, at funerals people generally leave the "Bathsheba/Delilah w/ a little S&M thrown in" 2nd verse out, which they probably shouldn't because the 1st verse *is* about King David, & the "dove of sex" verse out, which I would definitely leave out if I were singing it.
The Buckley version kept the "dove of sex" verse but left out the verse Cohen always closed with.
Haven't heard Lang version but will play it when I'm not paying for connect time.
Buckley learned song from John Cale recording. Cale had asked Cohen for lyrics & was faxed "15 verses", according to story.
While Cohen was writing song, friends found him in his hotel room "in his underwear, bsnging his head on the floor, surrounded by 80 verses".
Its not easy being a poet. For some.
Reportedly, Cohen suffered from severe depression until the last 10 or 20 years of his life
I tend to think the "15 verses" & "80 verses" were really "15 *pages" & "80 *pages*" but maybe not.
I believe the video I linked to has all the verses.
Re: RIP Leonard Cohen
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:20 am
by Bob Juch
Re: RIP Leonard Cohen
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:50 am
by ghostjmf
here's one of those "many verses" links:
http://rsrevision.com/hallelujah.htm
Re: RIP Leonard Cohen
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:56 am
by ghostjmf
an excellent article on "Hallelujah", the writing/recording of:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... n-20121203
This article ends w/ a clip of Cohen singing "Save the Last Dance For Me" at the end of his massive last world tour:
http://theweek.com/articles/661387/leon ... hallelujah
It just cracks me up. And is very gracious.
Re: RIP Leonard Cohen
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:33 pm
by Bob Juch
Re: RIP Leonard Cohen
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:12 am
by ghostjmf
WBUR's On Point radio show today did a program on Cohen, interviewing Alan Light, who wrote a book on the song "Hallelujah", & John Lissauer, who produced "New Skin for the Old Ceremony" & "Various Positions", the album w/ "Dance Me to the End of Love" & "Hallujah" on it. They also played excerpts from a Terry Gross interview w/ Cohen I hope she'll replay on Fresh Air.