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The growth of Arctic sea ice this winter peaked at the lowest maximum level on record, thanks to extraordinarily warm temperatures, federal scientists said yesterday.

http://www.wral.com/arctic-sea-ice-reac ... /15605378/

Bob Juch wrote:The growth of Arctic sea ice this winter peaked at the lowest maximum level on record, thanks to extraordinarily warm temperatures, federal scientists said yesterday.

http://www.wral.com/arctic-sea-ice-reac ... /15605378/

There are more years not on record than on record.

BackInTex wrote:

Bob Juch wrote:The growth of Arctic sea ice this winter peaked at the lowest maximum level on record, thanks to extraordinarily warm temperatures, federal scientists said yesterday.

http://www.wral.com/arctic-sea-ice-reac ... /15605378/

There are more years not on record than on record.

Yeah, about 175 million. So?

Bob Juch wrote:

BackInTex wrote:

Bob Juch wrote:The growth of Arctic sea ice this winter peaked at the lowest maximum level on record, thanks to extraordinarily warm temperatures, federal scientists said yesterday.

http://www.wral.com/arctic-sea-ice-reac ... /15605378/

There are more years not on record than on record.

Yeah, about 175 million. So?

From the article you cited: "Records go back to 1979 when satellites started measuring sea ice, which forms when Arctic Ocean water freezes."

Fewer than 40 years is a microscopic blip on 175 million. Let's revisit this topic in another few hundred -- or few thousand -- centuries, when the data might be more meaningful.

silvercamaro wrote:From the article you cited: "Records go back to 1979 when satellites started measuring sea ice, which forms when Arctic Ocean water freezes."

Fewer than 40 years is a microscopic blip on 175 million. Let's revisit this topic in another few hundred -- or few thousand -- centuries, when the data might be more meaningful.

There's anecdotal evidence going back to Henry Hudson that there used to be more sea ice than there is now. And millions of years ago, the Arctic was as warm as the tropics are today.

But there are other environmental issues, from drought to pollution, that man has to deal with if we want to still be here in future centuries.

So this is a record low maximun in the satellite record we are supposed to get excited about?

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:So this is a record low maximun in the satellite record we are supposed to get excited about?

The graph is down just one line, but each line represents a million square kilometers. That's a heckuva lot of ice! And it's not a one-year blip; the trend has been downward for at least 20 years.

jarnon wrote:

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:So this is a record low maximun in the satellite record we are supposed to get excited about?

The graph is down just one line, but each line represents a million square kilometers. That's a heckuva lot of ice! And it's not a one-year blip; the trend has been downward for at least 20 years.

The graph "conveniently" begins in 1979, the low point of a long cooling period.

OAA Radiosonde Data Shows No Warming For 58 Years

In their “hottest year ever” press briefing, NOAA included this graph, which stated that they have a 58 year long radiosonde temperature record. But they only showed the last 37 years in the graph.

Here is why they are hiding the rest of the data. The earlier data showed as much pre-1979 cooling as the post-1979 warming.