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Spock wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... last-year/

#notallblacklivesmatter

By what stretch of your imagination is it another "Charleston"?

Bob Juch wrote:

Spock wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... last-year/

#notallblacklivesmatter

By what stretch of your imagination is it another "Charleston"?

This isn't a partisan post, and it doesn't deserve a knee-jerk response. Innocent people, including children, are dying in the inner city every day, and it doesn't get attention like a mass shooting or a terrorist attack. Listen to what President Obama said after the Newtown school shooting:

As a country, we have been through this too many times. Whether it's an elementary school in Newtown, or a shopping mall in Oregon, or a temple in Wisconsin, or a movie theater in Aurora, or a street corner in Chicago – these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods, and these children are our children.

Since I’ve been President, this is the fourth time we have come together to comfort a grieving community torn apart by a mass shooting. The fourth time we’ve hugged survivors. The fourth time we’ve consoled the families of victims. And in between, there have been an endless series of deadly shootings across the country, almost daily reports of victims, many of them children, in small towns and big cities all across America -- victims whose -- much of the time, their only fault was being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Bob Juch wrote: By what stretch of your imagination is it another "Charleston"?

It is not.

Charleston was mailman bites dog (white man kills black people).

Chicago is dog bites mailman (black people killing black people).

It doesn't sell, and rallying folks around for the cause won't bring more voters to the Democratic Party. So, page 12.

jarnon wrote:

Bob Juch wrote:

Spock wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... last-year/

#notallblacklivesmatter

By what stretch of your imagination is it another "Charleston"?

This isn't a partisan post, and it doesn't deserve a knee-jerk response. Innocent people, including children, are dying in the inner city every day, and it doesn't get attention like a mass shooting or a terrorist attack. Listen to what President Obama said after the Newtown school shooting:

As a country, we have been through this too many times. Whether it's an elementary school in Newtown, or a shopping mall in Oregon, or a temple in Wisconsin, or a movie theater in Aurora, or a street corner in Chicago – these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods, and these children are our children.

Since I’ve been President, this is the fourth time we have come together to comfort a grieving community torn apart by a mass shooting. The fourth time we’ve hugged survivors. The fourth time we’ve consoled the families of victims. And in between, there have been an endless series of deadly shootings across the country, almost daily reports of victims, many of them children, in small towns and big cities all across America -- victims whose -- much of the time, their only fault was being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It made the national news. Unfortunately it wasn't shocking because it happens all the time.

It made the national news. Unfortunately it wasn't shocking because it happens all the time.

That response is wrong on so many levels, and what's so sad is all the people that would say the above without thinking don't see how hypocritical they are.

“It’s real simple,” [Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy] said at the conference. “Gun possessors are potential murderers."

Really?

flockofseagulls104 wrote:

“It’s real simple,” [Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy] said at the conference. “Gun possessors are potential murderers."

Really?

Its certainly true for cops

Bob Juch wrote:

Spock wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... last-year/

#notallblacklivesmatter

By what stretch of your imagination is it another "Charleston"?

Simply put-the number of deaths.

In many ways, actually it is much worse.

We had a lone crazy shooter in Charleston(per his manifesto, he was not able to find any one to help him-or words to similar effect) that did a "one-of".

Because of him-we are now ripping out vast parts of the culture.

OTOH,we have a culture that produced, literally, dozens of shooters in one long weekend in one city. To say nothing of other cities and the time prior to, and since the 4th.

It is very likely, that across the country on the long 4th weekend, that culture produced shooters well into the 3 digits.

That is one sick culture.

Spock wrote:Because of him-we are now ripping out vast parts of the culture.

No we aren't.

Jeemie wrote:

Spock wrote:Because of him-we are now ripping out vast parts of the culture.

No we aren't.

OK-you win, We aren't. We can talk about it if/when Gone With the Wind is consigned to the memory hole.

Because #someblacklivesmattermorethanothers

We will be beaten over the head with Tamir Rice(12 YO shot by the police) long after Amari Brown, Chicago 7YO, shot while watching fireworks with his father is long-forgotten.

Stephen Hunter wrote a firearms/gunfight analysis of the Tamir Rice shooting. Mr. Hunter is most known for his (pretty good) thrillers, but he also wrote a second-by-second analysis of the Puerto Rican (I think) attempt on Truman in the 50's. He has thought through gunfights as few people have.

My pull quote, after describing what weapon Rice was holding
>>Of course, no one in media knows any of this, because nobody in media covers or pays attention to such things. They are too busy worrying about Marco Rubio’s traffic record.<<<<

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... r-rice.php

Spock wrote:
Simply put-the number of deaths.

In many ways, actually it is much worse.

Spock, your concern for the black citizens of Chicago is touching.

I'm anxiously awaiting hearing the solutions that you, BiT, or any of the Republican presidential candidates have.

Or is it merely a "concern" that surfaces only to deflect blame by erecting a straw man whenever a shocking crime like the one in Charleston occurs, to be safely tucked away for a few months until the next time it's needed?

silverscreenselect wrote: your concern for the black citizens of Chicago is touching.

So is yours.

silverscreenselect wrote:

Spock wrote:
Simply put-the number of deaths.

In many ways, actually it is much worse.

Spock, your concern for the black citizens of Chicago is touching.

I'm anxiously awaiting hearing the solutions that you, BiT, or any of the Republican presidential candidates have.

Or is it merely a "concern" that surfaces only to deflect blame by erecting a straw man whenever a shocking crime like the one in Charleston occurs, to be safely tucked away for a few months until the next time it's needed?

As opposed to you having no concern-As I said #notallblacklivesmatter

I knew you would say this as you have before. That is obviously the depth of your argument and concern.Never mention the "Faux Masculinity" and the carnage of the inner-city gangs and slam any conservative who mentions it.

I (or those who share my world-view) really can't do anything about it. The cities where this carnage occurs have been generally governed by Democrats for generations. Any ideas I might have would never see the light of day there. It is all on your side to figure it out and your side is obviously doing a "Bang-Up" job of it.

The Great Society and other government programs ripped the black family apart and have produced generations of fatherless children. We have been(and are) reaping the inevitable results of multitudes of fatherless children through multiple generations.

silverscreenselect wrote:

Spock wrote:
Simply put-the number of deaths.

In many ways, actually it is much worse.

Spock, your concern for the black citizens of Chicago is touching.

I'm anxiously awaiting hearing the solutions that you, BiT, or any of the Republican presidential candidates have.

Or is it merely a "concern" that surfaces only to deflect blame by erecting a straw man whenever a shocking crime like the one in Charleston occurs, to be safely tucked away for a few months until the next time it's needed?

Your answer for everything is condescension and mockery for anything and anyone who doesn't share your superior world view.

This Chicago youngster has the right idea:



I won't try to list the many causes of inner city violence. There's plenty of blame to go around.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: Your answer for everything is condescension and mockery for anything and anyone who doesn't share your superior world view.

As opposed to your screeching about the liberal media and how they and I don't understand you.

silverscreenselect wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote: Your answer for everything is condescension and mockery for anything and anyone who doesn't share your superior world view.

As opposed to your screeching about the liberal media and how they and I don't understand you.

I am not talking about the media. I am talking about you. Only you have genuine concern and knowledge about every subject in the world. Spock has no concern about black lives in cities, he's just using it as a strawman. You scold him and everyone else for having no answers. What are your answers other than to look down your nose at everyone who doesn't have your compassion and concern? How more condescending can you be?

SSS>>I'm anxiously awaiting hearing the solutions that you, BiT, or any of the Republican presidential candidates have. <<<

I have been thinking about this one for awhile this morning. The best plan would be to follow the "Broken Windows" policing style of Giuliani and Bloomberg. That worked great in NYC. However, De Blasio has made it clear that he will not continue these policing methods.

Now, we conservatives get to sit back with a bowl of popcorn and watch Mayor De Blasio piss away a great city in real-time.

Spock wrote: The Great Society and other government programs ripped the black family apart and have produced generations of fatherless children. We have been(and are) reaping the inevitable results of multitudes of fatherless children through multiple generations.

Another red herring. Exactly how is the Great Society responsible for "ripping the black family apart"?

Black birth rates in this country have gone down consistently since the day of the great society. The primary reason for that is that birth control and abortion are much more widely available now than a half century ago. Out-of-wedlock births among blacks are a higher percentage now because black married women now have children at a lower rate than white women do.

Black unemployment is consistently double the white unemployment rate dating back since World War II and the gap was highest in the Reagan years.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: What are your answers other than to look down your nose at everyone who doesn't have your compassion and concern? How more condescending can you be?

You've heard my answers and those of the Bobs and other liberals. You just don't care for them and try to shout them down in a lot of cases. Better medical care. Higher minimum wage. Not dismantling anti-discrimination programs. More effective gun control (except for Bob J).

But every time we mention those you harp about how they harm the economy or take away your freedom.

silverscreenselect wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote: What are your answers other than to look down your nose at everyone who doesn't have your compassion and concern? How more condescending can you be?

You've heard my answers and those of the Bobs and other liberals. You just don't care for them and try to shout them down in a lot of cases. Better medical care. Higher minimum wage. Not dismantling anti-discrimination programs. More effective gun control (except for Bob J).

But every time we mention those you harp about how they harm the economy or take away your freedom.

No, I'm in favor of strict gun control, just not an attempt to ban guns.

Bob Juch wrote:

silverscreenselect wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote: What are your answers other than to look down your nose at everyone who doesn't have your compassion and concern? How more condescending can you be?

You've heard my answers and those of the Bobs and other liberals. You just don't care for them and try to shout them down in a lot of cases. Better medical care. Higher minimum wage. Not dismantling anti-discrimination programs. More effective gun control (except for Bob J).

But every time we mention those you harp about how they harm the economy or take away your freedom.

No, I'm in favor of strict gun control, just not an attempt to ban guns.

Mea culpa.

silverscreenselect wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote: What are your answers other than to look down your nose at everyone who doesn't have your compassion and concern? How more condescending can you be?

You've heard my answers and those of the Bobs and other liberals. You just don't care for them and try to shout them down in a lot of cases. Better medical care. Higher minimum wage. Not dismantling anti-discrimination programs. More effective gun control (except for Bob J).

But every time we mention those you harp about how they harm the economy or take away your freedom.

This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America.”[1]
Since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all military wars in U.S. history since the American Revolution. Despite this mountain of spending, progress against poverty, at least as measured by the government, has been minimal.

We have tried it your way for 50 years, and your answer is that we need more. I think your real answer is that we need to get rid of everyone who doesn't share your worldview and then we'll be able to attain the Utopia that you dream of, but can never define.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:

This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America.”[1]
Since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all military wars in U.S. history since the American Revolution. Despite this mountain of spending, progress against poverty, at least as measured by the government, has been minimal.

We have tried it your way for 50 years, and your answer is that we need more. I think your real answer is that we need to get rid of everyone who doesn't share your worldview and then we'll be able to attain the Utopia that you dream of, but can never define.

What you quoted is bullshit. The Heritage Foundation is not neutral.