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On July 1, the sale of fireworks was legalized in the State of Georgia (it wasn't planned to coincide with the fourth; most laws passed during the General Assembly's term in the winter go into effect July 1). However, that gave many of our neighbors the opportunity to go out and buy tons of stuff for this particular holiday. And I'm not talking about the kiddie firecrackers that I grew up with but some fairly heavy duty stuff that they seemed to be lighting right outside our doors.

Now we live in a condo complex that's surrounded by several other apartment and condo complexes, and there's not a lot of open space in which to safely set off fireworks. Mrs. SSS and I don't go outside on New Year's Eve and we didn't venture outside last night, which was even worse since the "fun" began shortly after dark and continued well past midnight. There was probably some "real" gunfire as well; I couldn't always tell what was being shot off. But I do know that (a) there's a lot of little kids running around the block at all times and I'd guess especially last night, and (b) I'd be willing to guess some of the fireworks were set off a bit too close to other people.

I'm somewhat curious to see what sort of injuries are reported in the news over the next couple of days.

UPDATE: No word on fireworks injuries but one death so far due to good old fashioned celebratory gunfire outside that killed a 16-year-old girl inside her house.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/ ... y-j/nmrt4/

and one death from a shooting incident at a party yesterday:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/ce ... ead/nmrp8/

>>>And I'm not talking about the kiddie firecrackers that I grew up with but some fairly heavy duty stuff that they seemed to be lighting right outside our doors. <<<<

Given your age-you must have led a very sheltered youth.-When 4th of July stories are told of their young years by your contemporaries-"Kiddie Fireworks" are definitely not a part of them.

The other day-a radio program featured call-ins of that era =telling their best 4th of July stories-M80's and Cherry Bombs feature prominently-these can blow up plumbing. Bottle rocket fights also were common (I plead guilty here).

While not a 4th of July story. I know a guy that was in high school in the late 60's that flushed cherry bombs down his school plumbing system and wrecked the plumbing. The judge gave him a choice of "Jail or the Marines." He chose the Marines. Didn;t go to Vietnam though-ended up stationed in Hawaii.

>>>No word on fireworks injuries but one death so far due to good old fashioned celebratory gunfire outside that killed a 16-year-old girl inside her house.<<<<

What is the demographic of your neighbors who do the celebratory gunfire? I suspect they are pretty much from south of the border where it is a common practice. Oh.well-we have to let them in in untold numbers because they are just doing the celebratory gunfire that Americans won't do.

Spock wrote:>>>And I'm not talking about the kiddie firecrackers that I grew up with but some fairly heavy duty stuff that they seemed to be lighting right outside our doors. <<<<

Given your age-you must have led a very sheltered youth.-When 4th of July stories are told of their young years by your contemporaries-"Kiddie Fireworks" are definitely not a part of them.

The other day-a radio program featured call-ins of that era =telling their best 4th of July stories-M80's and Cherry Bombs feature prominently-these can blow up plumbing. Bottle rocket fights also were common (I plead guilty here).

While not a 4th of July story. I know a guy that was in high school in the late 60's that flushed cherry bombs down his school plumbing system and wrecked the plumbing. The judge gave him a choice of "Jail or the Marines." He chose the Marines. Didn;t go to Vietnam though-ended up stationed in Hawaii.

>>>No word on fireworks injuries but one death so far due to good old fashioned celebratory gunfire outside that killed a 16-year-old girl inside her house.<<<<

What is the demographic of your neighbors who do the celebratory gunfire? I suspect they are pretty much from south of the border where it is a common practice. Oh.well-we have to let them in in untold numbers because they are just doing the celebratory gunfire that Americans won't do.

Pretty big stretch there, Spock. All you have to do is follow his link to see a pretty good picture of the suspect, excuse me, person of interest. And while he might be a little brown for your tastes, he is definitely not from "south of the border." And just based on the few cases I'm familiar with, none of the gun-firers were obviously immigrant types. Most of them look like the vast majority of SNAP-consumers, unplanned-pregnancy-causers, and disability-benefit abusers. In other words, Caucasian and stupid.

Nice attempt at an hombre de paja, though.

silverscreenselect wrote:.
UPDATE: No word on fireworks injuries but one death so far due to good old fashioned celebratory gunfire outside that killed a 16-year-old girl inside her house.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/ ... y-j/nmrt4/

and one death from a shooting incident at a party yesterday:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/ce ... ead/nmrp8/

How do these deaths compare to every other Saturday in Atlanta?

Did either of these incidents occur in your immediate neighborhood?

Was anybody killed or injured as a result of traffic accidents on the Fourth? Can you find any way to blame traffic injuries on fireworks or guns?

Spock wrote: What is the demographic of your neighbors who do the celebratory gunfire? I suspect they are pretty much from south of the border where it is a common practice. Oh.well-we have to let them in in untold numbers because they are just doing the celebratory gunfire that Americans won't do.

I do suspect that the gunfire (more prevalent at New Year's Eve than July 4) is from our Hispanic neighbors, since the surrounding complexes (and some units in ours) are largely rented out to Hispanic families. Again, this is the first year fireworks were legal on July 4 and far more prevalent here, but for the same reason, I'd guess most of those celebrating in my neighborhood were also Hispanic.

The two links I posted were not in my immediate neighborhood but in the metropolitan Atlanta area in general. I don't think it's a stretch to say that stupidity, including stupidity regarding firearms and fireworks, is not confined to a particular ethnic group. With a lot more fireworks available this year to a lot of stupid people who have been denied the "opportunity" to blow their body parts off legally for years here in Georgia, I'm guessing that injuries of all sorts, in all neighborhoods, will be up significantly.

silvercamaro wrote:

Was anybody killed or injured as a result of traffic accidents on the Fourth? Can you find any way to blame traffic injuries on fireworks or guns?

I'm sure the family of the 16-year-old girl feels much better knowing that other people were killed in traffic accidents over the weekend.

Fortunately, fireworks primarily injure those in close proximity to them so that people can remain reasonably safe by giving the idiots a wide berth. Gunfire isn't so easily avoided however.

It's good to see Georgia's finally getting with the program and letting its citizens who do not live near the borders of legal fireworks states experience all the fun and good times that come with your neighborhood turning into a fucking warzone for 3 days like most of the rest of the country has since the Chinese invented fireworks. I hate to see anyone have to suffer in peace and quiet around the Fourth while I'm getting treated to a reenactment of Shock and Awe annually....

lb13

silverscreenselect wrote:I'm sure the family of the 16-year-old girl feels much better knowing that other people were killed in traffic accidents over the weekend.

I always am saddened when people are killed or injured for no better reason than that they are in the proximity of idiots.

Similarly, I was saddened to hear about the 5-year-old Florida girl who died after being smacked by a sturgeon that jumped out of the water into the boat where she sat with her family. Do you think we should outlaw fishing, boats, bodies of water, or fish themselves? All four categories have been proven to be sources of danger.

SSS can come and live in NJ, where fireworks are still illegal (wouldn't know it from the sounds outside last night), and we can't pump our own gas, because it is "unsafe" to do so.

silvercamaro wrote:

silverscreenselect wrote:I'm sure the family of the 16-year-old girl feels much better knowing that other people were killed in traffic accidents over the weekend.

I always am saddened when people are killed or injured for no better reason than that they are in the proximity of idiots.

Similarly, I was saddened to hear about the 5-year-old Florida girl who died after being smacked by a sturgeon that jumped out of the water into the boat where she sat with her family. Do you think we should outlaw fishing, boats, bodies of water, or fish themselves? All four categories have been proven to be sources of danger.

Sliver, I"m not following your logic here. Flip your argument around. In the 1960s, safety belts and air bags were practically non-existent. Since their invention and eventual regulation, death rates AND major traumas from automobile accidents are way, way down. That trend has continued even after the speed limits were raised back up. Should we outlaw safety belts and airbags, because more individual liberties, and hey, people died before we had them, too? I will say that I had a very flippant and cruel attitude on this issue (even more so than now) until an exchange on this Bored or some incarnation of it brought it home for me.

I'm a proponent of responsible gun ownership and right to carry, even (maybe especially) concealed. As far as personal fireworks displays, though, I"d rather we leave it to the licensed experts and have a communal experience. If someone wants to demonstrate skill and safety with fireworks so they can honor America in that way, fine, but there should be a license, a test, and a responsibility waiver for such folks. Just as there are for your example of fishing, automobiles, and let's extend it further to hunting and flying airplanes. There will still be accidents, as there was with that poor little girl you cite, but far fewer than there are now. Let's not even drag the poor four-footers and combat vets into the conversation. (I know, I just did. Penalty, 15 yards.)

Maybe that's what confuses me most about this discussion. We didn't even choose to go the fireworks at the river last night, choosing instead to stay home and keep our cats company as they meowed and cowered. You have the biggest, most expressive heart for four-footers I've ever experienced. Are your four-footed kids immune to fireworks fear?

As it stands, stupid people are allowed to spend an unlimited amount of their money on explosives, and not mild ones, either. I don't like it, but I"m not going to demonstrate against it. MY middle son is very proud of the fireworks display he puts on for his Nana and Papaw every year. We try very hard to comply with all laws and ordinances, including where to shoot them and how to clean them up, but we're in a very, very, small minority

littlebeast13 wrote:It's good to see Georgia's finally getting with the program and letting its citizens who do not live near the borders of legal fireworks states experience all the fun and good times that come with your neighborhood turning into a fucking warzone for 3 days like most of the rest of the country has since the Chinese invented fireworks. I hate to see anyone have to suffer in peace and quiet around the Fourth while I'm getting treated to a reenactment of Shock and Awe annually....

lb13

Georgia shares a long border with South Carolina

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mrkelley23 wrote:

silvercamaro wrote:

silverscreenselect wrote:I'm sure the family of the 16-year-old girl feels much better knowing that other people were killed in traffic accidents over the weekend.

I always am saddened when people are killed or injured for no better reason than that they are in the proximity of idiots.

Similarly, I was saddened to hear about the 5-year-old Florida girl who died after being smacked by a sturgeon that jumped out of the water into the boat where she sat with her family. Do you think we should outlaw fishing, boats, bodies of water, or fish themselves? All four categories have been proven to be sources of danger.

Sliver, I"m not following your logic here. Flip your argument around. In the 1960s, safety belts and air bags were practically non-existent. Since their invention and eventual regulation, death rates AND major traumas from automobile accidents are way, way down. That trend has continued even after the speed limits were raised back up. Should we outlaw safety belts and airbags, because more individual liberties, and hey, people died before we had them, too? I will say that I had a very flippant and cruel attitude on this issue (even more so than now) until an exchange on this Bored or some incarnation of it brought it home for me.

I'm a proponent of responsible gun ownership and right to carry, even (maybe especially) concealed. As far as personal fireworks displays, though, I"d rather we leave it to the licensed experts and have a communal experience. If someone wants to demonstrate skill and safety with fireworks so they can honor America in that way, fine, but there should be a license, a test, and a responsibility waiver for such folks. Just as there are for your example of fishing, automobiles, and let's extend it further to hunting and flying airplanes. There will still be accidents, as there was with that poor little girl you cite, but far fewer than there are now. Let's not even drag the poor four-footers and combat vets into the conversation. (I know, I just did. Penalty, 15 yards.)

Maybe that's what confuses me most about this discussion. We didn't even choose to go the fireworks at the river last night, choosing instead to stay home and keep our cats company as they meowed and cowered. You have the biggest, most expressive heart for four-footers I've ever experienced. Are your four-footed kids immune to fireworks fear?

As it stands, stupid people are allowed to spend an unlimited amount of their money on explosives, and not mild ones, either. I don't like it, but I"m not going to demonstrate against it. MY middle son is very proud of the fireworks display he puts on for his Nana and Papaw every year. We try very hard to comply with all laws and ordinances, including where to shoot them and how to clean them up, but we're in a very, very, small minority

We used to get fireworks in our Christmas Stockings

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2015/0704/ ... chnic-boom

In 2013, eight Georgians died while using fireworks bought in nearby states. And in Avon, Colo., nine people were injured Friday night when a set of rockets toppled over and fired into a nearby crowd instead of into the air. None of the injuries were life-threatening.

We need to outlaw stupid. Somehow. Here are two examples....one fireworks related, the second, just your everyday stupid.



Man dies instantly after launching firework off his head.

...placed a fireworks mortar tube on his head and set it off, he said.
The firework exploded, killing Staples instantly,

Man goes swimming despite sign warning of alligators

Woodward take off his shirt, pull his wallet out of his pants and tell everyone he was going swimming in Adams Bayou. It was a course of action that clearly conflicted with a sign that read, "No swimming-alligators."

Wright said Woodward began screaming within seconds of jumping into the water.

The second story guy recently moved to Orange, TX from St. Louis. Perhaps the alligators up there are vegetarian.

Jon Eric Hexum

I think we should surrender all guns, knives, and any other sharp or explosive objects in this nation, and people should be issued a standard bubble suit with unlimited supply of fresh oxygen, while they are transferred from place to place in slow, safe people movers.

Will this country then be safe enough for SSS to feel comfortable living in?

Because we want you to feel nice and warm and safe and comfortable, SSS.

Let us know about all the dangers to your well-being out there, and we'll legislate them out of existence.

OK?

Jeemie wrote:I think we should surrender all guns, knives, and any other sharp or explosive objects in this nation, and people should be issued a standard bubble suit with unlimited supply of fresh oxygen, while they are transferred from place to place in slow, safe people movers.

Will this country then be safe enough for SSS to feel comfortable living in?

Because we want you to feel nice and warm and safe and comfortable, SSS.

Let us know about all the dangers to your well-being out there, and we'll legislate them out of existence.

OK?

And now reductio ad absurdam. This place has turned into a clinic for debate fallacies. If I was still coaching I'd print out a bunch of these threads to show kids how to call out their opponents' fallacious arguments.

mrkelley23 wrote:
Sliver, I"m not following your logic here. Flip your argument around. In the 1960s, safety belts and air bags were practically non-existent. Since their invention and eventual regulation, death rates AND major traumas from automobile accidents are way, way down. That trend has continued even after the speed limits were raised back up. Should we outlaw safety belts and airbags, because more individual liberties, and hey, people died before we had them, too? I will say that I had a very flippant and cruel attitude on this issue (even more so than now) until an exchange on this Bored or some incarnation of it brought it home for me.

I'm a proponent of responsible gun ownership and right to carry, even (maybe especially) concealed. As far as personal fireworks displays, though, I"d rather we leave it to the licensed experts and have a communal experience. If someone wants to demonstrate skill and safety with fireworks so they can honor America in that way, fine, but there should be a license, a test, and a responsibility waiver for such folks. Just as there are for your example of fishing, automobiles, and let's extend it further to hunting and flying airplanes. There will still be accidents, as there was with that poor little girl you cite, but far fewer than there are now. Let's not even drag the poor four-footers and combat vets into the conversation. (I know, I just did. Penalty, 15 yards.)

Maybe that's what confuses me most about this discussion. We didn't even choose to go the fireworks at the river last night, choosing instead to stay home and keep our cats company as they meowed and cowered. You have the biggest, most expressive heart for four-footers I've ever experienced. Are your four-footed kids immune to fireworks fear?

As it stands, stupid people are allowed to spend an unlimited amount of their money on explosives, and not mild ones, either. I don't like it, but I"m not going to demonstrate against it. MY middle son is very proud of the fireworks display he puts on for his Nana and Papaw every year. We try very hard to comply with all laws and ordinances, including where to shoot them and how to clean them up, but we're in a very, very, small minority

Mr. K, I am befuddled at how you could read my sentences in a way that could make you come to those conclusions. Flip my argument around? I didn't even know I was arguing. I suppose I was stating indirectly my objections to what seems to be the standard SSS position of "Anything I personally don't like should be eliminated for everybody."

I brought up traffic accidents only because in most areas, more people are killed or injured in heavier-than-normal holiday traffic than from the two things that SSS mentioned, fireworks and guns. I mentioned the 5-year-old sturgeon victim only because SSS came perilously close to accusing me of a lack of compassion (or worse) for the shooting victim.

For the record, I believe that legally owned and licensed firearms have a useful purpose in society. I'm in favor of safe driving and wearing seatbelts. I like boats, fishing, fish and families. I also like dogs and cats. Did I miss anything?

Last night's civic fireworks display was less traumatic for Ninjadog than usual, only because a small but severe thunderstorm rolled through a couple of hours earlier. Many lightning strikes were close and particularly scary-loud. She exhausted herself with fear during that storm and, when the fireworks seemed rather calm and distant by comparison, took a long nap during the official city celebration. My neighborhood is largely populated by grad students and young families, categories crowded by people with insufficient funds to do anything in a big way, so any nearby backyard fireworks popped their way to an end rather quickly.

I don't like thunderstorms. There oughta be a law against 'em!

mrkelley23 wrote:

Spock wrote:>>>And I'm not talking about the kiddie firecrackers that I grew up with but some fairly heavy duty stuff that they seemed to be lighting right outside our doors. <<<<

Given your age-you must have led a very sheltered youth.-When 4th of July stories are told of their young years by your contemporaries-"Kiddie Fireworks" are definitely not a part of them.

The other day-a radio program featured call-ins of that era =telling their best 4th of July stories-M80's and Cherry Bombs feature prominently-these can blow up plumbing. Bottle rocket fights also were common (I plead guilty here).

While not a 4th of July story. I know a guy that was in high school in the late 60's that flushed cherry bombs down his school plumbing system and wrecked the plumbing. The judge gave him a choice of "Jail or the Marines." He chose the Marines. Didn;t go to Vietnam though-ended up stationed in Hawaii.

>>>No word on fireworks injuries but one death so far due to good old fashioned celebratory gunfire outside that killed a 16-year-old girl inside her house.<<<<

What is the demographic of your neighbors who do the celebratory gunfire? I suspect they are pretty much from south of the border where it is a common practice. Oh.well-we have to let them in in untold numbers because they are just doing the celebratory gunfire that Americans won't do.

Pretty big stretch there, Spock. All you have to do is follow his link to see a pretty good picture of the suspect, excuse me, person of interest. And while he might be a little brown for your tastes, he is definitely not from "south of the border." And just based on the few cases I'm familiar with, none of the gun-firers were obviously immigrant types. Most of them look like the vast majority of SNAP-consumers, unplanned-pregnancy-causers, and disability-benefit abusers. In other words, Caucasian and stupid.

Nice attempt at an hombre de paja, though.

As SSS confirms-the likely perps are Hispanic given the demographic of the area.


I love this quote from a Google search of Celebratory Gunfire.
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/celebr ... 1626690283

>>>In some places around the globe, including the Middle East, Afghanistan, some parts of the Balkans, India and Latin America, and probably Texas, firing into the air may be a celebratory tradition, but it can also be deadly.<<

I love the gratuitous shot at Texas-with nothing to back it up. Because we can't point out pathological behavior in other parts of the world without slamming Texas. I submit, that if it does happen in Texas-the likely perps are also hispanic and not white rednecks.

To my knowledge-deaths from celebratory gunfire are pretty rare in the gun-owning, anglo rural areas across the plains and rocky mountain states.

Although, as with everywhere else, pathologies are increasing in concurrence with broken families.

Here was an interesting story on Celebratory Gunfire in Indianapolis.

http://www.indystar.com/story/life/2014 ... /21062443/

>>>>Olgen Williams, the deputy mayor of Indianapolis, said many of his Haughville neighbors don't even realize the tradition is illegal. "People think New Year's is a legal justification to shoot the gun," he said. "They think, 'It's alright to do it. Everybody does it.' They love to do it."<<<

Haughville is 92% African American.

Granted-It may happen in rural white areas, where there is less to hit-if I were to stand on my porch and shoot in the air at midnight to the northeast, it isn't going to hit anybody=other than through a complete statistical anomaly.

I don't do that-but that seems less pathological than people doing it in populated areas. Shooting in the air in Haughville neighborhood is /or should be a crime.

Changing the subject as to the odds of getting hit by falling objects.

We just finished Little League season and many high foul balls get hit over the backstop. I am always surprised at how few people get hit. There are games being played on adjoining fields so some balls come from left field-so to speak.It might come within inches but I have not seen anyone hit yet-there was one extremely close one the other night-and a little also got barely missed. You almost don't want to holler in case somebody turns their face up and catches one in the chops.

That would almost be a fun probability study in a way.

I'll bring up an old story, mentioned in local (Richmond VA) news media this week.

http://wtvr.com/2015/06/29/brendon-mack ... -shooting/

This was in about as suburban environment as you can find.

SpacemanSpiff wrote:I'll bring up an old story, mentioned in local (Richmond VA) news media this week.

http://wtvr.com/2015/06/29/brendon-mack ... -shooting/

This was in about as suburban environment as you can find.

I saw that one too. Note that the perp has not been caught so we don't have a demographic of the shooter.

FTR-Yes, obviously whites do it too. However, I believe that the inner-city gang type with their Faux Masculinity(Thanks, SSS, for the term) is much more likely to partake in the activity. Also, the Hispanic/Middle Eastern demo that grew up with it is also more likely to do it than suburban whites.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/topic ... ry_gunfire

Here is an interesting round-up of news(deaths) from around the world. I noted a couple of things-while there are some deaths in the US-Most of the news from here seems to be of city officials discouraging the activity.

Somewhat surprised to see the Macedonia-Serbia activity-Read that as Muslims have moved north from the North Caucasus-they have spread the activity farther into Russia.

silverscreenselect wrote:UPDATE: No word on fireworks injuries but one death so far due to good old fashioned celebratory gunfire outside that killed a 16-year-old girl inside her house.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/ ... y-j/nmrt4/

I always understood "celebratory gunfire" to be the type when idiots shoot their guns (up) into the air, not caring where they will eventually land.

That DOES NOT appear to be the case here. Shooting horizontally in a neighborhood is much, much worse. Did you not see the picture in the article? It appears to show a bullet hold in the SIDING of the house.

NOT Celebratory

Spock wrote:

mrkelley23 wrote:

Spock wrote:>>>And I'm not talking about the kiddie firecrackers that I grew up with but some fairly heavy duty stuff that they seemed to be lighting right outside our doors. <<<<

Given your age-you must have led a very sheltered youth.-When 4th of July stories are told of their young years by your contemporaries-"Kiddie Fireworks" are definitely not a part of them.

The other day-a radio program featured call-ins of that era =telling their best 4th of July stories-M80's and Cherry Bombs feature prominently-these can blow up plumbing. Bottle rocket fights also were common (I plead guilty here).

While not a 4th of July story. I know a guy that was in high school in the late 60's that flushed cherry bombs down his school plumbing system and wrecked the plumbing. The judge gave him a choice of "Jail or the Marines." He chose the Marines. Didn;t go to Vietnam though-ended up stationed in Hawaii.

>>>No word on fireworks injuries but one death so far due to good old fashioned celebratory gunfire outside that killed a 16-year-old girl inside her house.<<<<

What is the demographic of your neighbors who do the celebratory gunfire? I suspect they are pretty much from south of the border where it is a common practice. Oh.well-we have to let them in in untold numbers because they are just doing the celebratory gunfire that Americans won't do.

Pretty big stretch there, Spock. All you have to do is follow his link to see a pretty good picture of the suspect, excuse me, person of interest. And while he might be a little brown for your tastes, he is definitely not from "south of the border." And just based on the few cases I'm familiar with, none of the gun-firers were obviously immigrant types. Most of them look like the vast majority of SNAP-consumers, unplanned-pregnancy-causers, and disability-benefit abusers. In other words, Caucasian and stupid.

Nice attempt at an hombre de paja, though.

As SSS confirms-the likely perps are Hispanic given the demographic of the area.


I love this quote from a Google search of Celebratory Gunfire.
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/celebr ... 1626690283

>>>In some places around the globe, including the Middle East, Afghanistan, some parts of the Balkans, India and Latin America, and probably Texas, firing into the air may be a celebratory tradition, but it can also be deadly.<<

I love the gratuitous shot at Texas-with nothing to back it up. Because we can't point out pathological behavior in other parts of the world without slamming Texas. I submit, that if it does happen in Texas-the likely perps are also hispanic and not white rednecks.

To my knowledge-deaths from celebratory gunfire are pretty rare in the gun-owning, anglo rural areas across the plains and rocky mountain states.

Although, as with everywhere else, pathologies are increasing in concurrence with broken families.

Pretty rare period, and I"m not sure how celebratory gunfire is even relevant to the subject of this thread. And if Wikipedia is to be believed, the incidence of deaths from this type of irresponsibility has been declining for some time. But hey, by all means, keep making stuff up to confirm your biases.