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Wow, those kids are running Angelina Jolie ragged...

Vandal wrote:

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Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner has been named the 2015 winner of the Arthur Ashe Courage Award to be given at the ESPYs. This award was first given to Jim Valvano and other winners have included Muhammed Ali, Dean Smith, Pat Tillman, Billy Jean King, the Flight 93 passengers, Nelson Mandela, Pat Summitt, Robin Roberts and last year Michael Sam. (Stuart Scott won a different award last year, the Jimmy V Perseverance Award).

To mention Jenner and his/her Hollywood circus in the same sentence with these people is a joke. I will not be watching. There are a lot of transgender people far more deserving of the award who went through as much or more turmoil as Jenner without the benefit of being a reality TV star.

http://www.tvmediainsights.com/highligh ... 015-espys/

To mention Jenner and his/her Hollywood circus in the same sentence with these people is a joke. I will not be watching. There are a lot of transgender people far more deserving of the award who went through as much or more turmoil as Jenner without the benefit of being a reality TV star.

Agree
Does changing the outside really fix the inside? I'm all for people doing what they want to their bodies. None of anyone's business. But changing the definition of brave to fit getting surgery causes me to question all the hype. If anyone has a negative opinion (Drake Bell) the wrath of the internet will fall upon them.

silverscreenselect wrote:Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner has been named the 2015 winner of the Arthur Ashe Courage Award to be given at the ESPYs. This award was first given to Jim Valvano and other winners have included Muhammed Ali, Dean Smith, Pat Tillman, Billy Jean King, the Flight 93 passengers, Nelson Mandela, Pat Summitt, Robin Roberts and last year Michael Sam. (Stuart Scott won a different award last year, the Jimmy V Perseverance Award).

To mention Jenner and his/her Hollywood circus in the same sentence with these people is a joke. I will not be watching. There are a lot of transgender people far more deserving of the award who went through as much or more turmoil as Jenner without the benefit of being a reality TV star.

http://www.tvmediainsights.com/highligh ... 015-espys/

Michael Sam, then next, Bruce. The pattern is troubling. Courage. I don't think it means what they think it means.

geoffil wrote:

To mention Jenner and his/her Hollywood circus in the same sentence with these people is a joke. I will not be watching. There are a lot of transgender people far more deserving of the award who went through as much or more turmoil as Jenner without the benefit of being a reality TV star.

Agree
Does changing the outside really fix the inside? I'm all for people doing what they want to their bodies. None of anyone's business. But changing the definition of brave to fit getting surgery causes me to question all the hype. If anyone has a negative opinion (Drake Bell) the wrath of the internet will fall upon them.

As I understand it, making a gender transition has little if anything to do with surgery. It's about living your life openly as the gender that you understand yourself to be, instead of the one that you have always appeared to be. It certainly appears from her pictures that Caitlyn Jenner has had "top" surgery. It's irrelevant, as well as nobody's business, whether she's had "bottom" surgery. There are plenty of trans men with vaginas and trans women with penises out there, and that doesn't mean that they're any less the gender they profess to be.

I don't think anyone would claim that anybody deserves an award for getting surgery. But isn't it still pretty courageous for anyone to come out as trans-gender? There are many hateful people out there, and many more who are not hateful but simply hurtful in their ignorance, and there's potential rejection by close friends and family.

Reality TV stardom and wealth gave Caitlyn Jenner options that the vast majority of trans people don't have, but at the same time, it took away the option of privacy. I think it did take a lot of courage to decide to live her life genuinely, and if she couldn't have privacy while doing it, to embrace the publicity that would come with it and try to use that publicity for good.

plasticene wrote:

geoffil wrote:

To mention Jenner and his/her Hollywood circus in the same sentence with these people is a joke. I will not be watching. There are a lot of transgender people far more deserving of the award who went through as much or more turmoil as Jenner without the benefit of being a reality TV star.

Agree
Does changing the outside really fix the inside? I'm all for people doing what they want to their bodies. None of anyone's business. But changing the definition of brave to fit getting surgery causes me to question all the hype. If anyone has a negative opinion (Drake Bell) the wrath of the internet will fall upon them.

As I understand it, making a gender transition has little if anything to do with surgery. It's about living your life openly as the gender that you understand yourself to be, instead of the one that you have always appeared to be. It certainly appears from her pictures that Caitlyn Jenner has had "top" surgery. It's irrelevant, as well as nobody's business, whether she's had "bottom" surgery. There are plenty of trans men with vaginas and trans women with penises out there, and that doesn't mean that they're any less the gender they profess to be.

I don't think anyone would claim that anybody deserves an award for getting surgery. But isn't it still pretty courageous for anyone to come out as trans-gender? There are many hateful people out there, and many more who are not hateful but simply hurtful in their ignorance, and there's potential rejection by close friends and family.

Reality TV stardom and wealth gave Caitlyn Jenner options that the vast majority of trans people don't have, but at the same time, it took away the option of privacy. I think it did take a lot of courage to decide to live her life genuinely, and if she couldn't have privacy while doing it, to embrace the publicity that would come with it and try to use that publicity for good.

But many people, myself included, don't take anything a celebrity does seriously and treat it with a healthy dose of cynicism. Particularly those who are famous solely for being reality stars (I could care less what Jenner used to be known for... anyone heard from Kerri Strug lately?)

lb13

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littlebeast13 wrote:Particularly those who are famous solely for being reality stars (I could care less what Jenner used to be known for... anyone heard from Kerri Strug lately?)

You dumb whippersnapper! After the decathlon win, Jenner was 10,000 times the (worldwide) star that Kerri Strug was. His fame, from that alone, lasted at least 20 years longer, too, long before the stupid TV show.

Estonut wrote:

littlebeast13 wrote:Particularly those who are famous solely for being reality stars (I could care less what Jenner used to be known for... anyone heard from Kerri Strug lately?)

You dumb whippersnapper! After the decathlon win, Jenner was 10,000 times the (worldwide) star that Kerri Strug was. His fame, from that alone, lasted at least 20 years longer, too, long before the stupid TV show.

We dumb whippersnappers have you old fogies outnumbered..... just like today's dumber whippersnappers have me outnumbered....

Don't pick on me because I used Strug as an example. I almost used Mary Lou Retton, who was a hot commodity in the 80's... but the shelf life of Olympic stars is not long. I'm sure Michael Phelps will be far from the public consciousness is about a decade or so... unless he goes into reality TV and becomes a fake celebrity as well.

lb13

littlebeast13 wrote:

Estonut wrote:

littlebeast13 wrote:Particularly those who are famous solely for being reality stars (I could care less what Jenner used to be known for... anyone heard from Kerri Strug lately?)

You dumb whippersnapper! After the decathlon win, Jenner was 10,000 times the (worldwide) star that Kerri Strug was. His fame, from that alone, lasted at least 20 years longer, too, long before the stupid TV show.

We dumb whippersnappers have you old fogies outnumbered..... just like today's dumber whippersnappers have me outnumbered....

Don't pick on me because I used Strug as an example. I almost used Mary Lou Retton, who was a hot commodity in the 80's... but the shelf life of Olympic stars is not long. I'm sure Michael Phelps will be far from the public consciousness is about a decade or so... unless he goes into reality TV and becomes a fake celebrity as well.

Pick any of them. Jenner rode the wave for decades longer than any of them. He was a HUGE world-wide celebrity back when reality TV meant The Olympics.

The thing that bothers me most about this (to the extent that anything does) is his choice of name-There simply are not a lot of 65 YO Caitlins out there-I would view his actions as somehow more authentic if he had chosen a name more befitting his age cohort.-Linda, Cathy etc.

Apparently, she just liked the sound of it:

http://my.xfinity.com/articles/entertai ... 2/b662573/

The thing that bothers me most about this (to the extent that anything does) is his choice of name-There simply are not a lot of 65 YO Caitlins out there-I would view his actions as somehow more authentic if he had chosen a name more befitting his age cohort.-Linda, Cathy etc.

(or Mary, Susan, Betty, Yvonne, Karen)
The last time my name was in the top 10 of baby girl's names, was 1957.

Estonut wrote:

littlebeast13 wrote:

Estonut wrote:We dumb whippersnappers have you old fogies outnumbered..... just like today's dumber whippersnappers have me outnumbered....

Don't pick on me because I used Strug as an example. I almost used Mary Lou Retton, who was a hot commodity in the 80's... but the shelf life of Olympic stars is not long. I'm sure Michael Phelps will be far from the public consciousness is about a decade or so... unless he goes into reality TV and becomes a fake celebrity as well.

Pick any of them. Jenner rode the wave for decades longer than any of them. He was a HUGE world-wide celebrity back when reality TV meant The Olympics.

I remember the media going nuts over him when he trained in San Jose when I lived in Palo Alto in the early 70s.

jaybee wrote:Apparently, she just liked the sound of it:

http://my.xfinity.com/articles/entertai ... 2/b662573/

Bob Juch wrote:[
Don't pick on me because I used Strug as an example. I almost used Mary Lou Retton, who was a hot commodity in the 80's... but the shelf life of Olympic stars is not long. I'm sure Michael Phelps will be far from the public consciousness is about a decade or so... unless he goes into reality TV and becomes a fake celebrity as well.

Pick any of them. Jenner rode the wave for decades longer than any of them. He was a HUGE world-wide celebrity back when reality TV meant The Olympics.[/quote][/quote]
I remember the media going nuts over him when he trained in San Jose when I lived in Palo Alto in the early 70s.[/quote]

I was 9, going on 10, summer of 1976 so I was the right age to idolize him or whatever and know who he was. I almost wonder if he was one of the first examples of being famous for being famous-he was just always at the periphery of the public eye-through the 70's and 80's. And then obviously the Khardasian hurricane hit.

Spock wrote:
. I almost wonder if he was one of the first examples of being famous for being famous-he was just always at the periphery of the public eye-through the 70's and 80's. And then obviously the Khardasian hurricane hit.

I think Zsa Zsa had him beat by a couple of decades

Strange coincidence; this is about an abused dog:

Caitlyn doing well after undergoing surgery, expected to make full recovery

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/2922 ... -wednesday

Spock wrote:

Bob Juch wrote:[
Don't pick on me because I used Strug as an example. I almost used Mary Lou Retton, who was a hot commodity in the 80's... but the shelf life of Olympic stars is not long. I'm sure Michael Phelps will be far from the public consciousness is about a decade or so... unless he goes into reality TV and becomes a fake celebrity as well.

Pick any of them. Jenner rode the wave for decades longer than any of them. He was a HUGE world-wide celebrity back when reality TV meant The Olympics.

[/quote]

Also, back then the winner of the decathlon came with the unofficial title of "The Worlds Greatest Athlete". Kind of a King of all Olympic titles.

Besides, I ain't never seen no Kardashian on the front of a Wheaties box.

jaybee wrote:

Spock wrote:

Bob Juch wrote:[
Don't pick on me because I used Strug as an example. I almost used Mary Lou Retton, who was a hot commodity in the 80's... but the shelf life of Olympic stars is not long. I'm sure Michael Phelps will be far from the public consciousness is about a decade or so... unless he goes into reality TV and becomes a fake celebrity as well.

Pick any of them. Jenner rode the wave for decades longer than any of them. He was a HUGE world-wide celebrity back when reality TV meant The Olympics.

Also, back then the winner of the decathlon came with the unofficial title of "The Worlds Greatest Athlete". Kind of a King of all Olympic titles.

Besides, I ain't never seen no Kardashian on the front of a Wheaties box. [/quote]


Yet.

Spock wrote:

Bob Juch wrote:

Estonut wrote:Pick any of them. Jenner rode the wave for decades longer than any of them. He was a HUGE world-wide celebrity back when reality TV meant The Olympics.

I remember the media going nuts over him when he trained in San Jose when I lived in Palo Alto in the early 70s.

I was 9, going on 10, summer of 1976 so I was the right age to idolize him or whatever and know who he was. I almost wonder if he was one of the first examples of being famous for being famous-he was just always at the periphery of the public eye-through the 70's and 80's. And then obviously the Khardasian hurricane hit.

Famous for being famous? Are you serious?

• He was the top athlete IN THE WORLD!
• He came from behind and won the decathlon gold, bringing the medal back to the US after the USSR got it for the first time in 1972. That made him a national hero.
• He was the best known decathlete since Jim Thorpe.
• He was only the second spokesperson for Wheaties and he made that a sought-after sponsorship.
• He stood in for Ponch on CHiPs.
• His > 100 IMDB credits might make many professional actors envious, without even considering the Kardashians.
• He was a successful auto racer in the 80's.
• He founded a successful aviation company, Bruce Jenner Aviation.

If this isn't someone who earned his fame, I don't know anyone who has.