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RIP Garo Yepremian

Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 2:30 pm
by bazodee
Kicker for the undefeated Miami Dolphins team of 1972 has died.

Re: RIP Garo Yepremian

Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 5:43 pm
by silverscreenselect
Best known for one of the worst passes in NFL history:


Re: RIP Garo Yepremian

Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:25 pm
by elwoodblues
silverscreenselect wrote:Best known for one of the worst passes in NFL history:

It was so bad that in the official game statistics it is a fumble rather than an interception.

http://www.footballdb.com/games/boxscor ... 1973011401

Re: RIP Garo Yepremian

Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 4:43 am
by SpacemanSpiff
He was one of the first "sidewinder" (aka "soccer-style") kickers that came on the scene and changed the kicking game totally.

Re: RIP Garo Yepremian

Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:18 pm
by TheConfessor
elwoodblues wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:Best known for one of the worst passes in NFL history:

It was so bad that in the official game statistics it is a fumble rather than an interception.

http://www.footballdb.com/games/boxscor ... 1973011401
I didn't matter how good or bad the "pass" was, since it occurred after a blocked field goal attempt, and therefore could never be officially considered a pass.

Re: RIP Garo Yepremian

Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 3:53 pm
by silverscreenselect
TheConfessor wrote: I didn't matter how good or bad the "pass" was, since it occurred after a blocked field goal attempt, and therefore could never be officially considered a pass.
No, a blocked kick that does not go past the line of scrimmage may be recovered and advanced by the kicking team by any legal means including a forward pass. If Yepremian had somehow completed the pass for the necessary yardage, Miami would have gotten a first down.

A team that tries a field goal or punt prior to fourth down that is blocked but doesn't go beyond the line of scrimmage still has the remaining downs to make a first down. That's why teams sometimes try field goals in overtime on earlier downs. In 1999, Georgia Tech beat Georgia in overtime in this fashion. Georgia failed to score on its possession, and Tech tried a field goal on third down that was blocked. Tech recovered and then kicked the winning field goal on fourth down.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/nov/28/sports/sp-38510

Re: RIP Garo Yepremian

Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 4:32 pm
by TheConfessor
silverscreenselect wrote:
TheConfessor wrote: I didn't matter how good or bad the "pass" was, since it occurred after a blocked field goal attempt, and therefore could never be officially considered a pass.
No, a blocked kick that does not go past the line of scrimmage may be recovered and advanced by the kicking team by any legal means including a forward pass. If Yepremian had somehow completed the pass for the necessary yardage, Miami would have gotten a first down.

A team that tries a field goal or punt prior to fourth down that is blocked but doesn't go beyond the line of scrimmage still has the remaining downs to make a first down. That's why teams sometimes try field goals in overtime on earlier downs. In 1999, Georgia Tech beat Georgia in overtime in this fashion. Georgia failed to score on its possession, and Tech tried a field goal on third down that was blocked. Tech recovered and then kicked the winning field goal on fourth down.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/nov/28/sports/sp-38510
Thanks for the clarification. I assumed there was a simpler explanation that took human judgment out of the official scoring. If everything you said is accurate, I don't know why it wasn't called a pass. That was clearly his intention.

Re: RIP Garo Yepremian

Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 4:43 pm
by littlebeast13
TheConfessor wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:
TheConfessor wrote: I didn't matter how good or bad the "pass" was, since it occurred after a blocked field goal attempt, and therefore could never be officially considered a pass.
No, a blocked kick that does not go past the line of scrimmage may be recovered and advanced by the kicking team by any legal means including a forward pass. If Yepremian had somehow completed the pass for the necessary yardage, Miami would have gotten a first down.

A team that tries a field goal or punt prior to fourth down that is blocked but doesn't go beyond the line of scrimmage still has the remaining downs to make a first down. That's why teams sometimes try field goals in overtime on earlier downs. In 1999, Georgia Tech beat Georgia in overtime in this fashion. Georgia failed to score on its possession, and Tech tried a field goal on third down that was blocked. Tech recovered and then kicked the winning field goal on fourth down.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/nov/28/sports/sp-38510
Thanks for the clarification. I assumed there was a simpler explanation that took human judgment out of the official scoring. If everything you said is accurate, I don't know why it wasn't called a pass. That was clearly his intention.

I don't think intent matters.... he lost control of the ball before his arm went forward. That's the difference between an incomplete pass (or interception) and a fumble on any other play.

lb13

Re: RIP Garo Yepremian

Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 4:54 pm
by TheConfessor
littlebeast13 wrote: I don't think intent matters.... he lost control of the ball before his arm went forward. That's the difference between an incomplete pass (or interception) and a fumble on any other play.

lb13
Yeah, I probably should have watched the clip.