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So, this morning, I hear this thing on TV about Beyonce and some rapper dude getting a marriage license in "upstate New York".

I just heard on the 12:00 news - they got it in freakin' Scarsdale!

Upstate?!?!

You have got to be kidding me.

The Hummer limo doesn't get good gas mileage, and they didn't want to fill it up again in your area.

Scarsdale is upstate for people who think New Mexico is a foreign country and New Jersey provides geographical diversity.

peacock2121 wrote:So, this morning, I hear this thing on TV about Beyonce and some rapper dude getting a marriage license in "upstate New York".

I just heard on the 12:00 news - they got it in freakin' Scarsdale!

Upstate?!?!

You have got to be kidding me.

<grumble>®

Not only do stories like this display the media's ignorance of where Upstate really begins, it reinforces the impression that Upstate is still a vast, uncharted wilderness.

As if it would have been difficult to just say it happened in Scarsdale!

peacock2121 wrote:So, this morning, I hear this thing on TV about Beyonce and some rapper dude getting a marriage license in "upstate New York".

I just heard on the 12:00 news - they got it in freakin' Scarsdale!

Upstate?!?!

You have got to be kidding me.

I've heard Yonkers called upstate.

peacock2121 wrote:So, this morning, I hear this thing on TV about Beyonce and some rapper dude getting a marriage license in "upstate New York".

I just heard on the 12:00 news - they got it in freakin' Scarsdale!

Upstate?!?!

You have got to be kidding me.

Allow me to get in trouble. I would say anything north and west of NYC is upstate. My view from here anyway.

MarleysGh0st wrote: Not only do stories like this display the media's ignorance of where Upstate really begins, it reinforces the impression that Upstate is still a vast, uncharted wilderness.

(Looks out window...)
It isn't?

kusch wrote:

peacock2121 wrote:So, this morning, I hear this thing on TV about Beyonce and some rapper dude getting a marriage license in "upstate New York".

I just heard on the 12:00 news - they got it in freakin' Scarsdale!

Upstate?!?!

You have got to be kidding me.

Allow me to get in trouble. I would say anything north and west of NYC is upstate. My view from here anyway.

You know how the rest of the country views North Dakota, don't you?

MarleysGh0st wrote:

kusch wrote:

peacock2121 wrote:So, this morning, I hear this thing on TV about Beyonce and some rapper dude getting a marriage license in "upstate New York".

I just heard on the 12:00 news - they got it in freakin' Scarsdale!

Upstate?!?!

You have got to be kidding me.

Allow me to get in trouble. I would say anything north and west of NYC is upstate. My view from here anyway.

You know how the rest of the country views North Dakota, don't you?

Yes I do, some of them get it right, and some don't.

kusch wrote:

MarleysGh0st wrote:

kusch wrote: Allow me to get in trouble. I would say anything north and west of NYC is upstate. My view from here anyway.

You know how the rest of the country views North Dakota, don't you?

Yes I do, some of them get it right, and some don't.

How about that fellow who wrote the National Geographic article?

And don't even get me stared on what some people classify as The South.

Tocqueville3 wrote:And don't even get me stared on what some people classify as The South.

The Mason-Dixon Line isn't the border???

MarleysGh0st wrote:

Tocqueville3 wrote:And don't even get me stared on what some people classify as The South.

The Mason-Dixon Line isn't the border???

I think that a state cannot be classified as Southern unless it seceded from the Union.

I get Southern Living magazine. Often times they will do little features in the travel section on spots in Maryland, Oklahoma, or Missouri. Usually when I see these little features I will roll my eyes in mild disgust.

I know...I know...

Tocqueville3 wrote:

MarleysGh0st wrote:

Tocqueville3 wrote:And don't even get me stared on what some people classify as The South.

The Mason-Dixon Line isn't the border???

I think that a state cannot be classified as Southern unless it seceded from the Union.

I get Southern Living magazine. Often times they will do little features in the travel section on spots in Maryland, Oklahoma, or Missouri. Usually when I see these little features I will roll my eyes in mild disgust.

I know...I know...

Those are southern in my book!

What about West Virginia, Tennessee and Kentucky?

Tocqueville3 wrote:

MarleysGh0st wrote:

Tocqueville3 wrote:And don't even get me stared on what some people classify as The South.

The Mason-Dixon Line isn't the border???

I think that a state cannot be classified as Southern unless it seceded from the Union.

I get Southern Living magazine. Often times they will do little features in the travel section on spots in Maryland, Oklahoma, or Missouri. Usually when I see these little features I will roll my eyes in mild disgust.

I know...I know...

Maryland, Oklahoma, and Missouri I can see making a case for not being in the South but Kentucky is Southern. I think I can make a strong case that there is not much difference between southern Indiana and Tennessee so I'd lump them in there as well.

The book, The Nine Nations of North America, did a good job of defining Dixie and it included southern Indiana, southern Illinois and a chunk of Missouri along with Kentucky but not Maryland. The author even threw in West Virginia but excluded south Florida.

It's an older book, 1981, but a good read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Natio ... th_America

Bob Juch wrote:

Tocqueville3 wrote:

MarleysGh0st wrote: The Mason-Dixon Line isn't the border???

I think that a state cannot be classified as Southern unless it seceded from the Union.

I get Southern Living magazine. Often times they will do little features in the travel section on spots in Maryland, Oklahoma, or Missouri. Usually when I see these little features I will roll my eyes in mild disgust.

I know...I know...

Those are southern in my book!

What about West Virginia, Tennessee and Kentucky?

Kentucky certainly considers itself to be southern. It supported both sides in the war. It never formally seceded but there was a "rump government" was organized and seceded.

Bob Juch wrote:

Tocqueville3 wrote:

MarleysGh0st wrote: The Mason-Dixon Line isn't the border???

I think that a state cannot be classified as Southern unless it seceded from the Union.

I get Southern Living magazine. Often times they will do little features in the travel section on spots in Maryland, Oklahoma, or Missouri. Usually when I see these little features I will roll my eyes in mild disgust.

I know...I know...

Those are southern in my book!

What about West Virginia, Tennessee and Kentucky?

Tennessee seceded.

I would certainly consider Tennessee Southern.

West Virgina and Kentucky... not so much.

It could have been Montreal

earendel wrote:

Bob Juch wrote:

Tocqueville3 wrote: I think that a state cannot be classified as Southern unless it seceded from the Union.

I get Southern Living magazine. Often times they will do little features in the travel section on spots in Maryland, Oklahoma, or Missouri. Usually when I see these little features I will roll my eyes in mild disgust.

I know...I know...

Those are southern in my book!

What about West Virginia, Tennessee and Kentucky?

Kentucky certainly considers itself to be southern. It supported both sides in the war. It never formally seceded but there was a "rump government" was organized and seceded.

Well, they are Southern now, but during the war they were strongly Union. The Daughters of the Confederacy has done an excellent job of convincing them otherwise.
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andrewjackson wrote:

Tocqueville3 wrote:

MarleysGh0st wrote: The Mason-Dixon Line isn't the border???

I think that a state cannot be classified as Southern unless it seceded from the Union.

I get Southern Living magazine. Often times they will do little features in the travel section on spots in Maryland, Oklahoma, or Missouri. Usually when I see these little features I will roll my eyes in mild disgust.

I know...I know...

Maryland, Oklahoma, and Missouri I can see making a case for not being in the South but Kentucky is Southern. I think I can make a strong case that there is not much difference between southern Indiana and Tennessee so I'd lump them in there as well.

The book, The Nine Nations of North America, did a good job of defining Dixie and it included southern Indiana, southern Illinois and a chunk of Missouri along with Kentucky but not Maryland. The author even threw in West Virginia but excluded south Florida.

It's an older book, 1981, but a good read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Natio ... th_America

A good read, butthe arbitrary application of some artificial state/provincal borders and not others always spoiled an otherwise interesting book.

eyégor wrote:

andrewjackson wrote:

Tocqueville3 wrote: I think that a state cannot be classified as Southern unless it seceded from the Union.

I get Southern Living magazine. Often times they will do little features in the travel section on spots in Maryland, Oklahoma, or Missouri. Usually when I see these little features I will roll my eyes in mild disgust.

I know...I know...

Maryland, Oklahoma, and Missouri I can see making a case for not being in the South but Kentucky is Southern. I think I can make a strong case that there is not much difference between southern Indiana and Tennessee so I'd lump them in there as well.

The book, The Nine Nations of North America, did a good job of defining Dixie and it included southern Indiana, southern Illinois and a chunk of Missouri along with Kentucky but not Maryland. The author even threw in West Virginia but excluded south Florida.

It's an older book, 1981, but a good read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Natio ... th_America

A good read, butthe arbitrary application of some artificial state/provincal borders and not others always spoiled an otherwise interesting book.

I was surprised to see that the map has changed. The map on the wikipedia site is not the same at the original 9 nations map. The border of the Breadbasket is now farther to the west. Indianapolis used to be at the junction of three nations but it is no longer.

And I would agree that some of the nations in the original book seemed to have arbitrary boundaries.

The North/South thing is not my concern.

This Upstate thing burns my butt.

Silly, I know.

If Scarsdale is upstate - where the heck is downstate?

peacock2121 wrote: The North/South thing is not my concern.

But as far as tangents go, it's pretty on-topic in the "geographic misnomers" category.

peacock2121 wrote: This Upstate thing burns my butt.

Silly, I know.

If Scarsdale is upstate - where the heck is downstate?

Staten Island?

peacock2121 wrote:The North/South thing is not my concern.

This Upstate thing burns my butt.

Silly, I know.

If Scarsdale is upstate - where the heck is downstate?

I am sticking with my previous view. Downstate would be anything south and east of NYC.

And Pea, I am sorry your butt is burning. I am glad that you can see it as silly, but if it bugs you it bugs you.

peacock2121 wrote:The North/South thing is not my concern.

This Upstate thing burns my butt.

Silly, I know.

If Scarsdale is upstate - where the heck is downstate?

I was in Chicago once and someone brought up a concert that was supposed to be "downstate" somewhere. Another person chimed in that it was in Rockford. To which the first person replied," Right, I knew it was downstate somewhere". And the rest of the Chicago crowd all nodded in agreement.

If you don't know, Rockford, IL is northwest of Chicago but still "downstate" to Chicagoans. As far as I could tell "downstate" means "not in Chicago".