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MarleysGh0st
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by MarleysGh0st » Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:59 am
Well, that answered one of my questions: Amsterdam does chart a family tree of his descendants, at least as long as he can keep track of them!
But I'm wondering if the writers are bothering to do so, as they incorporate his family into the backstory? Amsterdam has said he's had 63 children. We've been introduced to three of them, so far. Omar was born in 1942. Rosie, who we met last night, was 17 in 1910, so he was born in 1893. But we've already met his daughter who was his legal secretary in 1941. She looked to be in her fifties--maybe sixty--so she was likely born some time in the 1880s. That leaves a rather small gap between Amsterdam abandoning that family and starting a new one with Rosie's mother. Such an early abandonment doesn't seem to fit with the good relationship Amsterdam had with his daughter/secretary.
And when did he have that affair with the artist we met in the first episode? Was that the 1920s or 1930s? Hanging around with artists that soon after being an artist himself could have led to more inconvenient encounters with someone who'd recognize him.
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by eyégor » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:10 am
MarleysGh0st wrote:Well, that answered one of my questions: Amsterdam does chart a family tree of his descendants, at least as long as he can keep track of them!
But I'm wondering if the writers are bothering to do so, as they incorporate his family into the backstory? Amsterdam has said he's had 63 children. We've been introduced to three of them, so far. Omar was born in 1942. Rosie, who we met last night, was 17 in 1910, so he was born in 1893. But we've already met his daughter who was his legal secretary in 1941. She looked to be in her fifties--maybe sixty--so she was likely born some time in the 1880s. That leaves a rather small gap between Amsterdam abandoning that family and starting a new one with Rosie's mother. Such an early abandonment doesn't seem to fit with the good relationship Amsterdam had with his daughter/secretary.
And when did he have that affair with the artist we met in the first episode? Was that the 1920s or 1930s? Hanging around with artists that soon after being an artist himself could have led to more inconvenient encounters with someone who'd recognize him.
You are looking for continuity? In this show?
As he told Omar, he was going to have to leave someday, anyway. My question. If 'Dutch' got accepted into the Armory show, how did Rosie end up with the painting? Wouldn't that be what he used to gain acceptance?
Another thing. I still think that the likelihood of the doc being "the one" is even less likely given her quick return. Of course, this theory does not hold if this show never returns.
Is next week the last show?
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by MarleysGh0st » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:21 am
eyégor wrote:
You are looking for continuity? In this show?
As he told Omar, he was going to have to leave someday, anyway. My question. If 'Dutch' got accepted into the Armory show, how did Rosie end up with the painting? Wouldn't that be what he used to gain acceptance?
Another thing. I still think that the likelihood of the doc being "the one" is even less likely given her quick return. Of course, this theory does not hold if this show never returns.
Is next week the last show?
Yes, I'm looking for continuity. Maybe I've been spoiled by Lost. While that drives us crazy with the mysteries piled on mysteries, there's no doubt that those writers have an intricate structure of detail they've built on. Heck, they can't put up an image for a second or two without embedding some clues for those who'll analyze the frame in detail.
But here the New Amsterdam writers are with four centuries to work with, and they're already running into retcon trouble. Feh! I like the show, but they can do better.
I don't know how the Dutch mafia got the painting. I would guess that one of them bought it later, after they started making their illicit money. BTW, was the old man supposed to be the grandfather or great-grandfather of the boy who was killed? And how old was he when he started his "family business" in the Depression? Rosie better not have wasted any time starting his own family!
I think next week is the last episode of the season. Will they really end the show as they've hinted in the spoilers? We'll see...
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MarleysGh0st
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by MarleysGh0st » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:35 am
According to
Wikipedia, there are two more episodes left in the season. There are details of the upcoming episodes that may be spoilerish.
That page also has an exhaustive listing of all the historical details revealed so far on the show. The script writers might do well to review that!

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by tanstaafl2 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:07 am
eyégor wrote:
As he told Omar, he was going to have to leave someday, anyway. My question. If 'Dutch' got accepted into the Armory show, how did Rosie end up with the painting? Wouldn't that be what he used to gain acceptance?
I thought I heard at the end of the show when Sara showed up that he asked her if she had heard of the Armory show and that somewhere in the conversation he said he had never been in the Armory show either. My impression was that Rosie or his wife took that painting when they left and that is why the gangster family had it. And as a result he was never in the show.
Or not.
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by MarleysGh0st » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:14 am
tanstaafl2 wrote:I thought I heard at the end of the show when Sara showed up that he asked her if she had heard of the Armory show and that somewhere in the conversation he said he had never been in the Armory show either. My impression was that Rosie or his wife took that painting when they left and that is why the gangster family had it. And as a result he was never in the show.
Or not.
His wife would want to keep a painting of the other woman?
Burn it, maybe...
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by tanstaafl2 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:45 pm
MarleysGh0st wrote:tanstaafl2 wrote:I thought I heard at the end of the show when Sara showed up that he asked her if she had heard of the Armory show and that somewhere in the conversation he said he had never been in the Armory show either. My impression was that Rosie or his wife took that painting when they left and that is why the gangster family had it. And as a result he was never in the show.
Or not.
His wife would want to keep a painting of the other woman?
Burn it, maybe...
I don't think it was the wife, it was the son. Perhaps his way of staying connected with his father and besides it appeared he had the hots for the girl. I am only guessing and but he ended up with it somehow as there it was on the wall.
If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.
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by MarleysGh0st » Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:22 pm
eyégor wrote:Another thing. I still think that the likelihood of the doc being "the one" is even less likely given her quick return. Of course, this theory does not hold if this show never returns.
You know, I wish we could take a survey about the doctor.
So, she falls in love with someone who is secretive about his past. She's confident that everyone's life is googleable (only on TV), but this person apparently did not exist before five years ago. When she confronts him, he replies that he's 400 years old. Then when she walks out, he pesters her with phone calls.
Should she take him back? If he solemnly promises that he's "not married now" and "not in the witness protection program"?
Puhleeze!