Why Isn't the NRA Defending Ferguson’s Blacks?

[Bob Juch]

The National Rifle Association has been warning us about the threat of a heavily-armed and dangerous government crushing dissent for decades. Their leader, Wayne LaPierre, even referred to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms as "jack-booted thugs."

Their dystopian nightmare sounds exactly like what’s happening in Ferguson, Missouri.

Yet somehow, the NRA seems to have missed the whole thing with the SWAT teams and the tank-like vehicles and the snipers and the LRAD sound cannon and the tear gas and the rubber bullets being trained on unarmed Americans. Not a peep from LaPierre on this extended assault on citizens of Ferguson, at least that I can find.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... lacks.html

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

You are in a Kos bubble

Notwithstanding this concern, however, Americans should remain mindful bringing military-style training to domestic law enforcement has real consequences. When police officers are dressed like soldiers, armed like soldiers, and trained like soldiers, it's not surprising that they are beginning toact like soldiers. And remember: a soldier's main objective is to kill the enemy.

NRA News November 7, 2013

[BackInTex]

The same reason Obama isn't saying "If I had son's they'd look like those rioters and looters." Because they shouldn't be defended.

Which Ferguson blacks are you referring to anyway. Are you assuming all blacks in Ferguson are rioting an looting?


What's to defend? Is rioting and looting protected under the 2nd Amendment?

[BackInTex]

And remember: a soldier's main objective is to kill the enemy. NRA News November 7, 2013

Killing the enemy is never the objective. It is simply one means or tactic related to a particular strategy for acheiving a goal or objective.

Soldiers can be used in many ways. Killing the enemy is usually down the preferred list as that tactic involves more risk, greater cost, and more often less chance of success.

[Bob Juch]

You are in a Kos bubble

Notwithstanding this concern, however, Americans should remain mindful bringing military-style training to domestic law enforcement has real consequences. When police officers are dressed like soldiers, armed like soldiers, and trained like soldiers, it's not surprising that they are beginning to act like soldiers. And remember: a soldier's main objective is to kill the enemy.

NRA News November 7, 2013

They weren't talking about Ferguson.

[Bob Juch]

The same reason Obama isn't saying "If I had son's they'd look like those rioters and looters." Because they shouldn't be defended.

Which Ferguson blacks are you referring to anyway. Are you assuming all blacks in Ferguson are rioting an looting?


What's to defend? Is rioting and looting protected under the 2nd Amendment?

No, all Blacks in Ferguson are under attack by the police. They're even arresting news crews for doing nothing more than reporting.

[BackInTex]

No, all Blacks in Ferguson are under attack by the police. They're even arresting news crews for doing nothing more than reporting.

Really? All blacks? The ones staying home, obeying the curfew, watching Fox News? Even those? Wow.

No news crew has been arrested for reporting. Not a single one.

[christie1111]

No, all Blacks in Ferguson are under attack by the police. They're even arresting news crews for doing nothing more than reporting.

Really? All blacks? The ones staying home, obeying the curfew, watching Fox News? Even those? Wow.

No news crew has been arrested for reporting. Not a single one.

Thank you for that as it saved me from replying.

And this is just BJ at it again so I shall not enter into this one.

[Bob Juch]

No, all Blacks in Ferguson are under attack by the police. They're even arresting news crews for doing nothing more than reporting.

Really? All blacks? The ones staying home, obeying the curfew, watching Fox News? Even those? Wow.

No news crew has been arrested for reporting. Not a single one.

Yes, because the cops see them as The Enemy.

Here are some of the police vs reporter encounters:

https://twitter.com/neiLmunshi/statuses ... 4844687360

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/show ... urass.html

[Estonut]

No, all Blacks in Ferguson are under attack by the police.

Are the black officers attacking themselves?

[Bob Juch]

No, all Blacks in Ferguson are under attack by the police.

Are the black officers attacking themselves?

What Black officers? Where?

[Bob Juch]

Which journalists have been arrested in Ferguson?

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/medi ... -ferguson/

[BackInTex]

Which journalists have been arrested in Ferguson?

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/medi ... -ferguson/

They were not arrested for reporting. That is not an "arrestable" offense. They were probably non-compliant to a direct order of a peace officer. They were making a bad situation worse. They were antagonizing the police. They had only intentions to make themselves the news story. They got that, I guess. Pathetic excuse for journalism though.

[Beebs52]

No, all Blacks in Ferguson are under attack by the police.

Are the black officers attacking themselves?

What Black officers? Where?

Capt Ron Johnson?

[Bob Juch]

Are the black officers attacking themselves?

What Black officers? Where?

Capt Ron Johnson?

He's not on the street.

[Bob Juch]

Which journalists have been arrested in Ferguson?

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/medi ... -ferguson/

They were not arrested for reporting. That is not an "arrestable" offense. They were probably non-compliant to a direct order of a peace officer. They were making a bad situation worse. They were antagonizing the police. They had only intentions to make themselves the news story. They got that, I guess. Pathetic excuse for journalism though.

Yeah, right.

[Estonut]

What Black officers? Where?

Capt Ron Johnson?

He's not on the street.

That doesn't matter. I was responding to your original statement, "all Blacks in Ferguson are under attack by the police." That made me wonder whether Blacks who are police are under attack by the police, as well. You should have learned to quit making blanket statements here long ago, as they're nearly always disproved.

[Bob Juch]

Capt Ron Johnson?

He's not on the street.

That doesn't matter. I was responding to your original statement, "all Blacks in Ferguson are under attack by the police." That made me wonder whether Blacks who are police are under attack by the police, as well. You should have learned to quit making blanket statements here long ago, as they're nearly always disproved.

Does Ron Johnson live in Ferguson?

[Estonut]

He's not on the street.

That doesn't matter. I was responding to your original statement, "all Blacks in Ferguson are under attack by the police." That made me wonder whether Blacks who are police are under attack by the police, as well. You should have learned to quit making blanket statements here long ago, as they're nearly always disproved.

Does Ron Johnson live in Ferguson?

I don't know and it doesn't matter. You said, "all Blacks in Ferguson," not "all Blacks living in Ferguson."

[christie1111]

And CBS Radio reported today on the way home that of the 51 people arrested recently, only one was a resident of Ferguson.

[rayxtwo]

I lived there for over 45 years (until my house got flooded out but that's another story) and I can tell you what goes on there first hand. First off, about 50% of the cops in Ferguson would "shoot first and ask questions later" if they could get away with it. Al Lewis and Fred Gwynne they're not. If you go down to the city hall on court day, almost 90% of the people there are black. The city looks for ways to write tickets so they can make sure their pay checks don't bounce every week. Speeding tickets (speed traps), seat belt tickets.... any minor offence they can pull out their ass just to write someone up. They avoid hazadous confrontation at all costs. When the first night of looting started, the cops were a little over a mile away from the scene set up at their "command post" at a nearby shopping center. Over 100 cars and cops sitting on their ass while over two dozen businesses lost almost everything they owned. "Protect and Serve????", yeah, right.

Now the other side of the coin. ALL the looters arrested from that first night of looting were from out of the area. Not a single one from Ferguson was arrested. Now, did they have the "smarts" to get out of Dodge before the cops got there and not get caught??? We'll never know. The local news crews showed live shots or the business getting looted. They had some pretty good shots of license plates on the cars that were involved. Some of the cars had Illinois plates on them. After about 30 to 40 minutes of the looting and the live shots from the scene, the looters started showing up in the cars with the plates removed. This was done so they couldn't be ID'ed later on. Half of them were on cell phones with their friends and I'm guessing that they were being told to remove the plates off the cars. Also, when the local news crews were showing the looting, they also were saying that they heard the sirens and the cops were on their way. Within a minute, the looters would jump in their cars and leave. More proof that they were in contact with friends on the phone that were watching TV.

Now for Mr. Brown. Video from inside the store showed him reaching across the counter and taking the items in question. It also showed the worker coming from behind the counter and try to stop him from leaving. It did show Mr. Brown grabbing him by the throat and pushing him back toward the counter. As Mr. Brown again tried to walk out the door, the worked again tried to stop him. Mr. Brown then cocks his fist like he's ready to punch him. The worker finally backs off and watches him exit the store. The next thing that we know for sure is that Mr. Brown is dead in the middle of the street about 15 minutes later. The police report does say that the stolen items were found on his person.

Now for the final confrontation. Only three people know for sure what really happened. The cop, Mr. Brown, and Mr. Brown's friend. One of them is dead. He can't talk. The cop? Was his memory "clouded" about what happened? Maybe. Mr. Brown's friend? Was his account of the events tainted? I know if my friend was shot and killed I don't think I could give an accurate account of what really happened. There is not one single frame of video of what happened on the street, so we'll never really know what happened.

After the police released the information about the incident, which I remind you, is all the protesters said they wanted, the store in question was the main target of the looting later that night. Hey, you wanted to know the truth, you got it, and STILL got pissed off. Now you've got people showing up to protest after they are being told to be out of the area and were told to go home by midnight. If I were involved in the protest, I would be long gone before it got dark. They saw what happed on Saturday night. What did they say to themselves, "Oh, they won't use tear gas and rubber bullets again tonight?". Once the protesters started throwing stuff at the cops, all bets were off and the fun began.

Now you've got all these outside groups showing up stirring up more shit. All this is doing is turning up the fire on an already smoldering pot. You want my opinion??? These people really don't care about Mr. Brown. All they are looking for is something, anything to happen so they can get their 10 minutes of face time on TV. One lady even showed up in Clayton, where the Grand Jury is meeting, with a sign in support of the officer. The cops hauled her off for her own protection before she got her ass kicked. GUESS WHAT??? She got her face time on TV too. Mission accomplished. If the press would leave, so would they.

What about all the rest of the world. Don't you think enemies of this country are just laughing their asses off right now about what we're doing to ourselves???? If I didn't know any better, I'd say they're sending in some of their people just to keep the confrontations going. They don't have to do too much to bring down this country. We do a pretty good job of it ourselves.


Ray

[jarnon]

What about all the rest of the world. Don't you think enemies of this country are just laughing their asses off right now about what we're doing to ourselves????

Now that you mention it, I saw this on the news this morning:

Iran’s Supreme Leader said the Ferguson violence was an example of American hypocrisy about human rights.

“Today like previous years, African-Americans are still under pressure, oppressed and subjected to discrimination. #Ferguson,” a Twitter account attributed to Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei, wrote on Sunday.

“Racial discrimination is still a dilemma in the U.S. #Ferguson,” he added. “Look at how US govt treats black community! It's not about 50-100 years ago but it's about today!”

Egypt, a country that has been criticized by the U.S. and others for its brutal police response to the Arab Spring uprising and persecution of minority sects, also weighed in.

The Foreign Ministry reportedly said it was “closely following the escalation of protests” in Ferguson and called on authorities to show “restraint.”

China’s official Xinhua news agency published a commentary saying that Ferguson is an example of how “racial divide still remains a deeply-rooted chronic disease that keeps tearing U.S. society apart.”

Nothing so far from Syria or North Korea.

[Bob Juch]

I lived there for over 45 years (until my house got flooded out but that's another story) and I can tell you what goes on there first hand. First off, about 50% of the cops in Ferguson would "shoot first and ask questions later" if they could get away with it. Al Lewis and Fred Gwynne they're not. If you go down to the city hall on court day, almost 90% of the people there are black. The city looks for ways to write tickets so they can make sure their pay checks don't bounce every week. Speeding tickets (speed traps), seat belt tickets.... any minor offence they can pull out their ass just to write someone up. They avoid hazardous confrontation at all costs. When the first night of looting started, the cops were a little over a mile away from the scene set up at their "command post" at a nearby shopping center. Over 100 cars and cops sitting on their ass while over two dozen businesses lost almost everything they owned. "Protect and Serve????", yeah, right.

Now the other side of the coin. ALL the looters arrested from that first night of looting were from out of the area. Not a single one from Ferguson was arrested. Now, did they have the "smarts" to get out of Dodge before the cops got there and not get caught??? We'll never know. The local news crews showed live shots or the business getting looted. They had some pretty good shots of license plates on the cars that were involved. Some of the cars had Illinois plates on them. After about 30 to 40 minutes of the looting and the live shots from the scene, the looters started showing up in the cars with the plates removed. This was done so they couldn't be ID'ed later on. Half of them were on cell phones with their friends and I'm guessing that they were being told to remove the plates off the cars. Also, when the local news crews were showing the looting, they also were saying that they heard the sirens and the cops were on their way. Within a minute, the looters would jump in their cars and leave. More proof that they were in contact with friends on the phone that were watching TV.

Now for Mr. Brown. Video from inside the store showed him reaching across the counter and taking the items in question. It also showed the worker coming from behind the counter and try to stop him from leaving. It did show Mr. Brown grabbing him by the throat and pushing him back toward the counter. As Mr. Brown again tried to walk out the door, the worked again tried to stop him. Mr. Brown then cocks his fist like he's ready to punch him. The worker finally backs off and watches him exit the store. The next thing that we know for sure is that Mr. Brown is dead in the middle of the street about 15 minutes later. The police report does say that the stolen items were found on his person.

Now for the final confrontation. Only three people know for sure what really happened. The cop, Mr. Brown, and Mr. Brown's friend. One of them is dead. He can't talk. The cop? Was his memory "clouded" about what happened? Maybe. Mr. Brown's friend? Was his account of the events tainted? I know if my friend was shot and killed I don't think I could give an accurate account of what really happened. There is not one single frame of video of what happened on the street, so we'll never really know what happened.

After the police released the information about the incident, which I remind you, is all the protesters said they wanted, the store in question was the main target of the looting later that night. Hey, you wanted to know the truth, you got it, and STILL got pissed off. Now you've got people showing up to protest after they are being told to be out of the area and were told to go home by midnight. If I were involved in the protest, I would be long gone before it got dark. They saw what happed on Saturday night. What did they say to themselves, "Oh, they won't use tear gas and rubber bullets again tonight?". Once the protesters started throwing stuff at the cops, all bets were off and the fun began.

Now you've got all these outside groups showing up stirring up more shit. All this is doing is turning up the fire on an already smoldering pot. You want my opinion??? These people really don't care about Mr. Brown. All they are looking for is something, anything to happen so they can get their 10 minutes of face time on TV. One lady even showed up in Clayton, where the Grand Jury is meeting, with a sign in support of the officer. The cops hauled her off for her own protection before she got her ass kicked. GUESS WHAT??? She got her face time on TV too. Mission accomplished. If the press would leave, so would they.

What about all the rest of the world. Don't you think enemies of this country are just laughing their asses off right now about what we're doing to ourselves???? If I didn't know any better, I'd say they're sending in some of their people just to keep the confrontations going. They don't have to do too much to bring down this country. We do a pretty good job of it ourselves.


Ray

Brown may have committed strong arm robbery but the store owner never called the cops so there was never anything about that over the police radio.

[rayxtwo]

If he would have been on the sidewalk, like he should have, the cop wouldn't have stopped him. When the cop did stop him, Brown thought he was stopping over the robbery. The rest of the confrontation is up for debate except for the marks on the cops face and Brown's body.

To give you an example of how bad the cops are in Ferguson, I got pulled over riding an electric bicycle one morning. He asked where the license plate was along with my helmet. I told him I didn't need one because it fell under the 49cc and 30 MPH requirement for these items. 20 minutes and two more cop cars later, they told me I could go. Pure BS.

Ray

[BackInTex]

Brown may have committed strong arm robbery but the store owner never called the cops so there was never anything about that over the police radio.

Changing the story now. Brown did not steal....oh wait, O.K. there IS video showing he did, O.K. maybe he did, but the store owner says (now) that he didn't call the police.

Strange how the police knew about the robbery and was looking for the suspect if the store owner didn't call.

I'll bet what happened is the store ownere DID call, but now, because of the allowed lawlessness is afraid for his life (and rightly so) and denying he did so the remaining thugs in Ferguson and from elsewhere don't try to kill him and his family for trying to run a business and reporting a crime against themseleves. This is how folks live in 3rd world countries because the rule of law is not enforced and thugs are allowed to continue their influence on the weak. That is the only thing that makes sense, giving the "facts" that we've heard.

What I find distrubing is that so many here, the news, Facebook, etc. seem to ALWAYS take the "victim's" side of a story rather than the police. To those, it is almost always the police in the wrong IF the "victim" is black. The fact that the cop was beaten prior to shooting Brown is ignored. Brown is presented as this lovable inocent boy just walking and minding his own business when this cop for no reason executes him. That story doesn't fly. But that's what folks want to believe. Who beat the cop? When? How? And that is disturbing in and of itself....that folks WANT to believe the cops did this. They WANT the crisis that comes from a situation like this. Disturbing.