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Perhaps if the media wasn't vulturing about, Ferguson might get to figuring things out.

Agreed. And people should stay home, especially those people who have been brought in from NY and CA (some people arrested last night were not from anywhere close).

Just making a sad situation very dangerous.

christie1111 wrote:Agreed. And people should stay home, especially those people who have been brought in from NY and CA (some people arrested last night were not from anywhere close).

Just making a sad situation very dangerous.

How do you mean "brought in"? Who do you think is bringing them in? I think they may just be people who haven't gotten a new license.

Beebs52 wrote:Perhaps if the media wasn't vulturing about, Ferguson might get to figuring things out.

Seems to me there's something very wrong going on in Ferguson that could really use the cleansing effect of the daylight that the press can bring. --Bob

Bob Juch wrote:

christie1111 wrote:Agreed. And people should stay home, especially those people who have been brought in from NY and CA (some people arrested last night were not from anywhere close).

Just making a sad situation very dangerous.

I think they may just be people who haven't gotten a new license.

You can not really believe that can you?

christie1111 wrote:Agreed. And people should stay home, especially those people who have been brought in from NY and CA (some people arrested last night were not from anywhere close).

Just making a sad situation very dangerous.

It seems to me that living in a town where the cops can shoot an unarmed kid six times is already pretty dangerous. --Bob

christie1111 wrote:

Bob Juch wrote:

christie1111 wrote:Agreed. And people should stay home, especially those people who have been brought in from NY and CA (some people arrested last night were not from anywhere close).

Just making a sad situation very dangerous.

I think they may just be people who haven't gotten a new license.

You can not really believe that can you?

I said "I think they may". Do you really believe "someone" is bringing in people from NY and CA?

Bob78164 wrote:

christie1111 wrote:Agreed. And people should stay home, especially those people who have been brought in from NY and CA (some people arrested last night were not from anywhere close).

Just making a sad situation very dangerous.

It seems to me that living in a town where the cops can shoot an unarmed kid six times is already pretty dangerous. --Bob

Absolutely. And looting and rioting makes it sooo much better! It'll certainly help resolve things so much quicker, too!

Bob78164 wrote:It seems to me that living in a town where the cops can shoot an unarmed kid six times is already pretty dangerous. --Bob

They can do that in any town, Bob. And they should when the unarmed kid is not a kid, but an adult, and that adult is 300+lbs, and those 300 lbs are charging at the police, and the 300 lbs continue to charge after shot 1, after shot 2 and even after shot 3.

There have been a lot of folks who have died at the hands of unarmed people. So the term 'unarmed' is irrelevent, really it is. What is relevent is whether or not the officer was in danger or felt he was in danger due to the actions of the 300 lb adult that was charging him.

BackInTex wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:It seems to me that living in a town where the cops can shoot an unarmed kid six times is already pretty dangerous. --Bob

They can do that in any town, Bob. And they should when the unarmed kid is not a kid, but an adult, and that adult is 300+lbs, and those 300 lbs are charging at the police, and the 300 lbs continue to charge after shot 1, after shot 2 and even after shot 3.

There have been a lot of folks who have died at the hands of unarmed people. So the term 'unarmed' is irrelevent, really it is. What is relevent is whether or not the officer was in danger or felt he was in danger due to the actions of the 300 lb adult that was charging him.

Is there film of the incident that I'm not aware of? If not, how do you know what the kid was doing when he was shot?

Most eyewitness reports that I have read about deny that he was moving toward the cop who shot him. And given what appears to be a coordinated local political response to the incident, this seems to me a case where the cops have even less credibility than usual in a police-shooting incident. --Bob

tlynn78 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:

christie1111 wrote:Agreed. And people should stay home, especially those people who have been brought in from NY and CA (some people arrested last night were not from anywhere close).

Just making a sad situation very dangerous.

It seems to me that living in a town where the cops can shoot an unarmed kid six times is already pretty dangerous. --Bob

Absolutely. And looting and rioting makes it sooo much better! It'll certainly help resolve things so much quicker, too!

If the unrest hadn't reached that level, it's unlikely that I, for one, would ever have heard of Michael Brown or learned about how he died. And without that public exposure, there's no reason to think it wouldn't keep happening. --Bob

Bob78164 wrote:

BackInTex wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:It seems to me that living in a town where the cops can shoot an unarmed kid six times is already pretty dangerous. --Bob

They can do that in any town, Bob. And they should when the unarmed kid is not a kid, but an adult, and that adult is 300+lbs, and those 300 lbs are charging at the police, and the 300 lbs continue to charge after shot 1, after shot 2 and even after shot 3.

There have been a lot of folks who have died at the hands of unarmed people. So the term 'unarmed' is irrelevent, really it is. What is relevent is whether or not the officer was in danger or felt he was in danger due to the actions of the 300 lb adult that was charging him.

Is there film of the incident that I'm not aware of? If not, how do you know what the kid was doing when he was shot?

Most eyewitness reports that I have read about deny that he was moving toward the cop who shot him. And given what appears to be a coordinated local political response to the incident, this seems to me a case where the cops have even less credibility than usual in a police-shooting incident. --Bob

Oh I get it. The officer is guilty, until he is proven innocent.

Bob78164 wrote:

tlynn78 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:It seems to me that living in a town where the cops can shoot an unarmed kid six times is already pretty dangerous. --Bob

Absolutely. And looting and rioting makes it sooo much better! It'll certainly help resolve things so much quicker, too!

If the unrest hadn't reached that level, it's unlikely that I, for one, would ever have heard of Michael Brown or learned about how he died. And without that public exposure, there's no reason to think it wouldn't keep happening. --Bob

Wow. That is the kind of comment I'd expect from the other Bob...... not you.

Ferguson is just 10 miles across the river from me. The store I work at is the preferred shopping destination for most of North St. Louis County.... including Ferguson (because their Mecca's an even bigger dump than ours is). We've been working for the past week and a half with this, and the looting and violence threats that have gone with it, hanging over our heads the entire time. It's scary.... fucking scary. The threats were real enough for us to have actually had a local police car stationed outside our store all Saturday night. Nobody should have to put up with the fear that a bunch of hooligans might bust in and take over the joint at any time...

For you, someone who is generally a reasonable person, to try to attempt to justify what has gone on by ANY method... let alone, "Hey, it got publicity for our cause!" is absolutely infuriating to me and everyone else in this area who has had to endure this fucking mess....

lb13

Bob Juch wrote:

christie1111 wrote:

Bob Juch wrote: I think they may just be people who haven't gotten a new license.

You can not really believe that can you?

I said "I think they may". Do you really believe "someone" is bringing in people from NY and CA?

I think other people's political agendas are bringing in people who are just adding fuel to a fire.

I think things need to calm down so an investigation can occur and corrective action taken. If the officer was wrong and should not have shot the young man then he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

littlebeast13 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:

tlynn78 wrote:

Absolutely. And looting and rioting makes it sooo much better! It'll certainly help resolve things so much quicker, too!

If the unrest hadn't reached that level, it's unlikely that I, for one, would ever have heard of Michael Brown or learned about how he died. And without that public exposure, there's no reason to think it wouldn't keep happening. --Bob

Wow. That is the kind of comment I'd expect from the other Bob...... not you.

Ferguson is just 10 miles across the river from me. The store I work at is the preferred shopping destination for most of North St. Louis County.... including Ferguson (because their Mecca's an even bigger dump than ours is). We've been working for the past week and a half with this, and the looting and violence threats that have gone with it, hanging over our heads the entire time. It's scary.... fucking scary. The threats were real enough for us to have actually had a local police car stationed outside our store all Saturday night. Nobody should have to put up with the fear that a bunch of hooligans might bust in and take over the joint at any time...

For you, someone who is generally a reasonable person, to try to attempt to justify what has gone on by ANY method... let alone, "Hey, it got publicity for our cause!" is absolutely infuriating to me and everyone else in this area who has had to endure this fucking mess....

lb13

Wow LB, I didn't realize how close you were.

It must be really unsettling.

I hate that people use tragedies of this type to justify looting and rioting. The news reports are saying that the general population is not being violent but a small fraction is causing trouble. The kind of trouble that makes me frightened that some one else is going to get killed.

What is the point of that? Isn't that what is being protested?

christie1111 wrote:Wow LB, I didn't realize how close you were.

It must be really unsettling.

I hate that people use tragedies of this type to justify looting and rioting. The news reports are saying that the general population is not being violent but a small fraction is causing trouble. The kind of trouble that makes me frightened that some one else is going to get killed.

What is the point of that? Isn't that what is being protested?

CNN had a state congress woman (black and Democrat, not that it really mattered) (or some elected official) on at lunch. She says that many of the out of towners are anarchists and New Black Panthers and are unwelcomed and she wished they would go home. However, she still wants to be able to hold peaceful protests after dark. I wished she'd said that they would limit their protests to daytime so the out of towners would be inneffective towards their goals and maybe go home. But she insists on their 1st Amendment rights (to protest whenever wherever). Not sure I agree with her.

littlebeast13 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:

tlynn78 wrote:

Absolutely. And looting and rioting makes it sooo much better! It'll certainly help resolve things so much quicker, too!

If the unrest hadn't reached that level, it's unlikely that I, for one, would ever have heard of Michael Brown or learned about how he died. And without that public exposure, there's no reason to think it wouldn't keep happening. --Bob

Wow. That is the kind of comment I'd expect from the other Bob...... not you.

Ferguson is just 10 miles across the river from me. The store I work at is the preferred shopping destination for most of North St. Louis County.... including Ferguson (because their Mecca's an even bigger dump than ours is). We've been working for the past week and a half with this, and the looting and violence threats that have gone with it, hanging over our heads the entire time. It's scary.... fucking scary. The threats were real enough for us to have actually had a local police car stationed outside our store all Saturday night. Nobody should have to put up with the fear that a bunch of hooligans might bust in and take over the joint at any time...

For you, someone who is generally a reasonable person, to try to attempt to justify what has gone on by ANY method... let alone, "Hey, it got publicity for our cause!" is absolutely infuriating to me and everyone else in this area who has had to endure this fucking mess....

lb13

I didn't realize tgirl was being literal. I thought her use of the phrase "looting and rioting" was hyperbole.

Looting and rioting are not acceptable, of course. The news reports I have heard have focused on what I consider to be a heavy-handed police response to peaceful protests. And this absolutely seems to me a situation that calls for protests. Lots and lots of protests. --Bob

BackInTex wrote: Oh I get it. The officer is guilty, until he is proven innocent.

Of course, the officer will have an opportunity the kid didn't... namely to have his guilt or innocence evaluated by someone who isn't pumping six bullets into him.

Bob78164 wrote:

littlebeast13 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:If the unrest hadn't reached that level, it's unlikely that I, for one, would ever have heard of Michael Brown or learned about how he died. And without that public exposure, there's no reason to think it wouldn't keep happening. --Bob

Wow. That is the kind of comment I'd expect from the other Bob...... not you.

Ferguson is just 10 miles across the river from me. The store I work at is the preferred shopping destination for most of North St. Louis County.... including Ferguson (because their Mecca's an even bigger dump than ours is). We've been working for the past week and a half with this, and the looting and violence threats that have gone with it, hanging over our heads the entire time. It's scary.... fucking scary. The threats were real enough for us to have actually had a local police car stationed outside our store all Saturday night. Nobody should have to put up with the fear that a bunch of hooligans might bust in and take over the joint at any time...

For you, someone who is generally a reasonable person, to try to attempt to justify what has gone on by ANY method... let alone, "Hey, it got publicity for our cause!" is absolutely infuriating to me and everyone else in this area who has had to endure this fucking mess....

lb13

I didn't realize tgirl was being literal. I thought her use of the phrase "looting and rioting" was hyperbole.

Looting and rioting are not acceptable, of course. The news reports I have heard have focused on what I consider to be a heavy-handed police response to peaceful protests. And this absolutely seems to me a situation that calls for protests. Lots and lots of protests. --Bob

I'm sorry. I'm having a reading comprehension brain fart. Did you actually say "didn't realize tgirl was being literal"? No. Really. You didn't notice the looting and rioting the first evening when this whole thing began? You're hyperbolizing now, right?

Edited to say-the second eveing, August 10.

Beebs52 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:

littlebeast13 wrote:

Wow. That is the kind of comment I'd expect from the other Bob...... not you.

Ferguson is just 10 miles across the river from me. The store I work at is the preferred shopping destination for most of North St. Louis County.... including Ferguson (because their Mecca's an even bigger dump than ours is). We've been working for the past week and a half with this, and the looting and violence threats that have gone with it, hanging over our heads the entire time. It's scary.... fucking scary. The threats were real enough for us to have actually had a local police car stationed outside our store all Saturday night. Nobody should have to put up with the fear that a bunch of hooligans might bust in and take over the joint at any time...

For you, someone who is generally a reasonable person, to try to attempt to justify what has gone on by ANY method... let alone, "Hey, it got publicity for our cause!" is absolutely infuriating to me and everyone else in this area who has had to endure this fucking mess....

lb13

I didn't realize tgirl was being literal. I thought her use of the phrase "looting and rioting" was hyperbole.

Looting and rioting are not acceptable, of course. The news reports I have heard have focused on what I consider to be a heavy-handed police response to peaceful protests. And this absolutely seems to me a situation that calls for protests. Lots and lots of protests. --Bob

I'm sorry. I'm having a reading comprehension brain fart. Did you actually say "didn't realize tgirl was being literal"? No. Really. You didn't notice the looting and rioting the first evening when this whole thing began? You're hyperbolizing now, right?

Edited to say-the second eveing, August 10.

I don't catch any TV news any more and it took a few days (apparently) for the story to attract my attention. I haven't seen any video at all. --Bob

Bob78164 wrote:

tlynn78 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:It seems to me that living in a town where the cops can shoot an unarmed kid six times is already pretty dangerous. --Bob

Absolutely. And looting and rioting makes it sooo much better! It'll certainly help resolve things so much quicker, too!

If the unrest hadn't reached that level, it's unlikely that I, for one, would ever have heard of Michael Brown or learned about how he died. And without that public exposure, there's no reason to think it wouldn't keep happening. --Bob

That's complete nonsense. I'm sure the looters are only thinking of the dead guy and his family and trying to boost public awareness, not giving a thought to the sweet kicks they just scored off an innocent shopkeeper - those are just incidental. Of course it is going to keep happening, because morons are going to continue to ignore the directions of peace officers, and, less often, but certainly, bad cops are going to continue to be a thing. What will also keep happening is opportunists of every variety will continue to prey on situations like this to their own perceived benefit. Which will make it that much harder to conduct investigations, and effect changes. We've had two officer-involved shootings in the last eighteen months or so, and coincidentally (?) the officer involved was the same. Bet you didn't hear much about those. I guess Sharpton, et al don't care since the dead men weren't black.

Bob78164 wrote: Most eyewitness reports that I have read about deny that he was moving toward the cop who shot him. And given what appears to be a coordinated local political response to the incident, this seems to me a case where the cops have even less credibility than usual in a police-shooting incident. --Bob

Bob78164 wrote:I don't catch any TV news any more and it took a few days (apparently) for the story to attract my attention. I haven't seen any video at all. --Bob

So admittedly you aren't really paying attention to the situation. But you are steadfast in your assumption that the cops are in the wrong and handling the situation 'stupidly'.

Bob78164 wrote:

BackInTex wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:It seems to me that living in a town where the cops can shoot an unarmed kid six times is already pretty dangerous. --Bob

They can do that in any town, Bob. And they should when the unarmed kid is not a kid, but an adult, and that adult is 300+lbs, and those 300 lbs are charging at the police, and the 300 lbs continue to charge after shot 1, after shot 2 and even after shot 3.

There have been a lot of folks who have died at the hands of unarmed people. So the term 'unarmed' is irrelevant, really it is. What is relevant is whether or not the officer was in danger or felt he was in danger due to the actions of the 300 lb adult that was charging him.

Is there film of the incident that I'm not aware of? If not, how do you know what the kid was doing when he was shot?

Most eyewitness reports that I have read about deny that he was moving toward the cop who shot him. And given what appears to be a coordinated local political response to the incident, this seems to me a case where the cops have even less credibility than usual in a police-shooting incident. --Bob

The autopsy shows that he was shot while his hands were up. Some shots went through him twice in a manner that proves that. The final, fatal, shot went through the top of his head while he was horizontal.

BackInTex wrote:

Bob78164 wrote: Most eyewitness reports that I have read about deny that he was moving toward the cop who shot him. And given what appears to be a coordinated local political response to the incident, this seems to me a case where the cops have even less credibility than usual in a police-shooting incident. --Bob

Bob78164 wrote:I don't catch any TV news any more and it took a few days (apparently) for the story to attract my attention. I haven't seen any video at all. --Bob

So admittedly you aren't really paying attention to the situation. But you are steadfast in your assumption that the cops are in the wrong and handling the situation 'stupidly'.

No, I admitted that I wasn't really paying attention to the situation. And I still haven't seen the basis for your unconditional assertion that he was "charging" the cops when they shot him. Six times. Including one shot that entered the top of his head and exited his lower jaw. --Bob

Bob Juch wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:

BackInTex wrote:
They can do that in any town, Bob. And they should when the unarmed kid is not a kid, but an adult, and that adult is 300+lbs, and those 300 lbs are charging at the police, and the 300 lbs continue to charge after shot 1, after shot 2 and even after shot 3.

There have been a lot of folks who have died at the hands of unarmed people. So the term 'unarmed' is irrelevant, really it is. What is relevant is whether or not the officer was in danger or felt he was in danger due to the actions of the 300 lb adult that was charging him.

Is there film of the incident that I'm not aware of? If not, how do you know what the kid was doing when he was shot?

Most eyewitness reports that I have read about deny that he was moving toward the cop who shot him. And given what appears to be a coordinated local political response to the incident, this seems to me a case where the cops have even less credibility than usual in a police-shooting incident. --Bob

The autopsy shows that he was shot while his hands were up. Some shots went through him twice in a manner that proves that. The final, fatal, shot went through the top of his head while he was horizontal.

You listened to an interpretation of 'someone's' opinion of what the autopsy shows. There have been several autopsies and each will draw it's own conclusions.

They will all be given a chance to be heard in a court of law.