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Through their surrogate, Geraldine Ferraro.

It's all over but the crying.

I hate to say it, but I will: Good riddance.

wbtravis007 wrote:Through their surrogate, Geraldine Ferraro.

It's all over but the crying.

I hate to say it, but I will: Good riddance.

But they denounced what she said.


The entire race has been very un-Democratic. This just was the latest example.

I mean, I thought Democrats were big fans of Affirmative Action.

Appa23 wrote:

wbtravis007 wrote:Through their surrogate, Geraldine Ferraro.

It's all over but the crying.

I hate to say it, but I will: Good riddance.

But they denounced what she said.


The entire race has been very un-Democratic. This just was the latest example.

I mean, I thought Democrats were big fans of Affirmative Action.

The fact of the matter is that Ferraro is right - but by the same token, Clinton wouldn't be getting all the media attention if she were a white male, either. The media love novelty.

earendel wrote:The media love novelty.

I think this should be true by definition, rather than a bad thing. "News" means something that is new.

earendel wrote:

Appa23 wrote:

wbtravis007 wrote:Through their surrogate, Geraldine Ferraro.

It's all over but the crying.

I hate to say it, but I will: Good riddance.

But they denounced what she said.


The entire race has been very un-Democratic. This just was the latest example.

I mean, I thought Democrats were big fans of Affirmative Action.

The fact of the matter is that Ferraro is right - but by the same token, Clinton wouldn't be getting all the media attention if she were a white male, either. The media love novelty.

It is hard to say how things would have turned out so far if it was Barry Obama, son of a Kansan mom and Canadian dad. Clinton would lose some or all of her advantage in demographic groups like whites, older voters, and Latinos, for just a few examples. Obama clearly would not have such an advantage with blacks, but still would likely hold an advantage over Hillary (as Barry Obama would be closer to "Bill Clinton circa 1992" than Hillary.) He still would be beating Hillary with affluent voters, educated voters, and young voters. He certainly would not be bringing in as many new, energized voters.

Certainly, it is disheartening to think that people still can not get past skin color and judge a man by the quality of his character.

[Now, it would be interesting if McCain decides to pick JC Watts as his running mate, which I would heartily endorse.]

earendel wrote:

Appa23 wrote:

wbtravis007 wrote:Through their surrogate, Geraldine Ferraro.

It's all over but the crying.

I hate to say it, but I will: Good riddance.

But they denounced what she said.


The entire race has been very un-Democratic. This just was the latest example.

I mean, I thought Democrats were big fans of Affirmative Action.

The fact of the matter is that Ferraro is right - but by the same token, Clinton wouldn't be getting all the media attention if she were a white male, either. The media love novelty.

If she were a white male and the wife of a former President she sure would!

earendel wrote: The fact of the matter is that Ferraro is right - but by the same token, Clinton wouldn't be getting all the media attention if she were a white male, either. The media love novelty.

Clinton wouldn't be getting any attention if her husband hadn't happen to be a former president.

Plus, the media loves novelty especially when it fits their agenda.

Appa23 wrote: It is hard to say how things would have turned out so far if it was Barry Obama, son of a Kansan mom and Canadian dad. Clinton would lose some or all of her advantage in demographic groups like whites, older voters, and Latinos, for just a few examples. Obama clearly would not have such an advantage with blacks, but still would likely hold an advantage over Hillary (as Barry Obama would be closer to "Bill Clinton circa 1992" than Hillary.)

You apparently assume that there are no blacks in Canada. I'm pretty sure that's not true.

I have issues with both of them because of their policies -- I would never vote based on the novelty of having a woman or an African American as president. This is too freakin' important. You pick the best. And sadly, I don't think either of them are the best choices the Dem party has to offer.

TheConfessor wrote:

Appa23 wrote: It is hard to say how things would have turned out so far if it was Barry Obama, son of a Kansan mom and Canadian dad. Clinton would lose some or all of her advantage in demographic groups like whites, older voters, and Latinos, for just a few examples. Obama clearly would not have such an advantage with blacks, but still would likely hold an advantage over Hillary (as Barry Obama would be closer to "Bill Clinton circa 1992" than Hillary.)

You apparently assume that there are no blacks in Canada. I'm pretty sure that's not true.

Or Kansas, either. I know a couple of people who are going to be upset that they have to move.

Appa23 says:

It is hard to say how things would have turned out so far if it was Barry Obama, son of a Kansan mom and Canadian dad. Clinton would lose some or all of her advantage in demographic groups like whites, older voters, and Latinos, for just a few examples. Obama clearly would not have such an advantage with blacks, but still would likely hold an advantage over Hillary (as Barry Obama would be closer to "Bill Clinton circa 1992" than Hillary.) He still would be beating Hillary with affluent voters, educated voters, and young voters. He certainly would not be bringing in as many new, energized voters.

My candidate, Barry XXXXXX John Edwards, (OK, sans Canadian Dad) did run & came 3rd & dropped out. My other candidate, Barry XXXX Joe Biden, did run even though with his mouth he hardly stood a chance. I still don't understand how one of the most prolific off-the-cuff (& occasionally on-the-shoe-leather-in-mouth) legislators we have managed to plagiarize anything, years ago. The handlers should always just let him run his own mouth; they may be mopping up, afterward, but they won't be mopping someone else's words.

Underground Railroad from New England. For people who did not consider Massachusetts safe enough.

Lotsa melanine-graced people have come to Canada overground, as it were, since.

TheConfessor wrote:

Appa23 wrote: It is hard to say how things would have turned out so far if it was Barry Obama, son of a Kansan mom and Canadian dad. Clinton would lose some or all of her advantage in demographic groups like whites, older voters, and Latinos, for just a few examples. Obama clearly would not have such an advantage with blacks, but still would likely hold an advantage over Hillary (as Barry Obama would be closer to "Bill Clinton circa 1992" than Hillary.)

You apparently assume that there are no blacks in Canada. I'm pretty sure that's not true.

No, you apparently assume that I am assuming it.

I know for a fact that there are blacks in Canada.

However, I am pretty sure that there is a much lower percentage of black Africans in Canada than there are in Kenya.

fantine33 wrote:

TheConfessor wrote:

Appa23 wrote: It is hard to say how things would have turned out so far if it was Barry Obama, son of a Kansan mom and Canadian dad. Clinton would lose some or all of her advantage in demographic groups like whites, older voters, and Latinos, for just a few examples. Obama clearly would not have such an advantage with blacks, but still would likely hold an advantage over Hillary (as Barry Obama would be closer to "Bill Clinton circa 1992" than Hillary.)

You apparently assume that there are no blacks in Canada. I'm pretty sure that's not true.

Or Kansas, either. I know a couple of people who are going to be upset that they have to move.

Oooh, a big swing and a miss by Fanny.

There is no question that Obama's mom is a white Kansan.

The variable is his father (and I already struck down Confessor's snide comment.)

I guess that I should have made Obama's dad Swedish.

Appa23 wrote: However, I am pretty sure that there is a much lower percentage of black Africans in Canada than there are in Kenya.

I know I should just let this drop, but it is truly difficult for me to follow your logic. Obama's mother did not meet Obama's father in Kenya. She met him in Hawaii.

Appa23 wrote:

earendel wrote:

Appa23 wrote: But they denounced what she said.


The entire race has been very un-Democratic. This just was the latest example.

I mean, I thought Democrats were big fans of Affirmative Action.

The fact of the matter is that Ferraro is right - but by the same token, Clinton wouldn't be getting all the media attention if she were a white male, either. The media love novelty.

It is hard to say how things would have turned out so far if it was Barry Obama, son of a Kansan mom and Canadian dad. Clinton would lose some or all of her advantage in demographic groups like whites, older voters, and Latinos, for just a few examples. Obama clearly would not have such an advantage with blacks, but still would likely hold an advantage over Hillary (as Barry Obama would be closer to "Bill Clinton circa 1992" than Hillary.) He still would be beating Hillary with affluent voters, educated voters, and young voters. He certainly would not be bringing in as many new, energized voters.

Perhaps, but the obvious advantage that Obama has among the African-American voters (he carried 90% of the African-American vote in Mississippi and significant percentages in other states) gives him a constituency that Clinton can't find (women are less monolithic as a voting bloc). And it remains to be seen whether the enthusiastic young voters who turned out in the primary will turn out for the general election.

Another point to consider is the way that the press has been treating Obama gingerly - again, I think in part because of the color of his skin. The media don't want to be accused of racism, so they back off rather than pursue. That's certainly not how it's been with Clinton; seemingly there's been no fear of being charged with sexism.

Appa23 wrote:

wbtravis007 wrote:Through their surrogate, Geraldine Ferraro.

It's all over but the crying.

I hate to say it, but I will: Good riddance.

But they denounced what she said.


.

At least I see you that you see the bullshit around your and .

TheConfessor wrote:

Appa23 wrote: However, I am pretty sure that there is a much lower percentage of black Africans in Canada than there are in Kenya.

I know I should just let this drop, but it is truly difficult for me to follow your logic. .

LOL - It is so hard to do that sometimes, ain't it?

Appa23 wrote:I guess that I should have made Obama's dad Swedish.

You apparently assume that there are no African-Swedes.

There was an interesting article in the Atlanta Journal a couple of weeks back by Hamilton Jordan, Carter's campaign advisor in 1976. That year, the Dems started out with a huge advantage due to Nixon's unpopularity and Ford's pardon of him. The Democratic selection process was changed significantly after 1972 (doing away with winner take all states), and Carter and his team had studied the new rules (much as Obama has) and essentially outmaneuvered his opposition to the nomination despite a lot of questions about just what he stood for.

Still, he left the Democratic convention with a 33 point lead in the polls and the Republicans still embroiled in a Ford vs. Reagan convention fight. Despite this, were it not for Ford's major blunder about Eastern Europe in their debate, Carter would have lost the general election.

People have been making a great deal about Obama's electability but the fact is that he is barely ahead of John McCain right now in the polls, despite the fact that a generic Democrat is much more popular than a generic Republican.

He has manipulated the media well with his phantom racism charges against the Clintons which he is still pulling out this week, but the stunts which work with black and liberal elitist voters won't be enough to win in a general election with a much wider election pool. I think he will have a tough time holding on to MI and PA, even possibly NJ, in a general election, although he may get a state like CO or VA into play. Further, there is a huge potential for future scandalous revelations about him.

The Democrats will regret this year even more than 2004. Kerry was a dud but the Democrats were dealing with an essentially losing hand that year no matter who they nominated. This year they have the deck stacked in their favor but they are still going to throw it away.

silverscreenselect wrote: The Democrats will regret this year even more than 2004. Kerry was a dud but the Democrats were dealing with an essentially losing hand that year no matter who they nominated. This year they have the deck stacked in their favor but they are still going to throw it away.

I think so too.

Appa23 wrote:Oooh, a big swing and a miss by Fanny.

There is no question that Obama's mom is a white Kansan.

The variable is his father (and I already struck down Confessor's snide comment.)

Then start throwing in something approximating a strike zone. Or better yet, stop throwing altogether.

There is no question that BARACK OBAMA'S mom was (not is) a white Kansan. However, your fictional Barry Obama who has a Canadian father certainly could have a black mother just on the suppositional sentence you provided.

Unless you get to call BARACK OBAMA Barry because you're all tight up in there with the fam and drop by for Sunday dinner with Barry and Shelly and stuff like that there.

I really need to put you in the Juch file and just ignore your baiting.

TheConfessor wrote:

Appa23 wrote: However, I am pretty sure that there is a much lower percentage of black Africans in Canada than there are in Kenya.

I know I should just let this drop, but it is truly difficult for me to follow your logic. Obama's mother did not meet Obama's father in Kenya. She met him in Hawaii.

Let me make this simple. I simply picked a place to have Obama's daddy to be from, other than Kenya. In that the discussion was about "what if Obama was white", the understanding was that this hypothetical dad was white (since, as I already pointed out, we know that Obama's mom was white.) Canada was the first country that I popped into my mind because it is generally a non-threatening country of origin, and your stereotypical Canadian is white (re: McKenizie Brothers).

I made my snarky comment in response to your silly comment about there being black Canadians. (Really! Gee, I had never heard of the Underground Railroad or Ben Johnson, Donovon Bailey, Tim Biakabutuka, Samuel Dalembert, Rick Fox, Willie O'Ree, Ray Emery, Grant Fuhr, Jarome Iginla, Charmaine Hooper, Fergie Jenkins, or Russell Martin.)

To boil it down, I merely was commenting that one can not definitively say that a white Barry Obama would not be in a similar, leading position. There would be differences, but who knows how things would have shook out overall?

I still am amazed that so many Democrats apparently are shallow enough to care about the color of a person's skin, such that they let it be the sole determining factor in how they vote.

At least Right Wing Evangelical Christians base their votes solely on what really matters . . . the candidate's view on abortion.

fantine33 wrote:

Appa23 wrote:Oooh, a big swing and a miss by Fanny.

There is no question that Obama's mom is a white Kansan.

The variable is his father (and I already struck down Confessor's snide comment.)

I really need to put you in the Juch file and just ignore your baiting.

Other people have files to?

Who knew?