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Mere had to apologize for the use of the 'c' word today on Today.

She wasn't the one that used it, but she was the one to apologize. Hmm.

t.

Didn't Jane Fonda use the word?

Didn't Jane Fonda use the word

Yup - they should've asked her to apologize instead of making Meredith do it.


t.

tlynn78 wrote:Mere had to apologize for the use of the 'c' word today on Today.

She wasn't the one that used it, but she was the one to apologize. Hmm.

t.

The real "c" word?

Holy crap that it was said.

tlynn78 wrote:

Didn't Jane Fonda use the word

Yup - they should've asked her to apologize instead of making Meredith do it.


t.

If there was anything for her to apologize for (as I did not see it), it could be that she didn't do anything in the moment and she knows she should have.

It was the real 'c' word. The bad one. The clip I saw was undeniable. I'll see if I can re-find the link. I'm pretty sure there's not much Ms. Fonda feels the need to apologize for.



I apoligize in advance for any offense this site may cause. The writer is um, irreverent, in the extreme, to say the least.

http://www.thesuperficial.com/

It's currently about the third item down the page...

t.

It is odd what can bother you. I'm not a prude (ok, I AM a prude, but I'm not particularly obsessively so), but that particular word really bothers me. There are a whole lot of other naught words for the same naughty bit, but that word really rubs me the wrong way (although the naughty bit itself does not rub me the wrong way, in fact, being male, I can't think of a way that that particular naughty could possibly rub someone the wrong way...)

Where was I? Oh, yes. What's kind of odd is that this particular word was at time more or less proper-- it occurs a couple times in the Canterbury Tales, the Wife of Bath uses it very freely, she even brags about her naughty bit, but Chaucer spelled it with a 'quey' rather than a 'cu', so maybe that makes it different.

But it is odd how a particular word can annoy in a way that others do not.

tlynn78 wrote:It was the real 'c' word. The bad one. The clip I saw was undeniable. I'll see if I can re-find the link. I'm pretty sure there's not much Ms. Fonda feels the need to apologize for.



I apoligize in advance for any offense this site may cause. The writer is um, irreverent, in the extreme, to say the least.

http://www.thesuperficial.com/

It's currently about the third item down the page...

t.

It was part of an interview with Fonda, who is performing in a 10th anniversary celebration of "The Vagina Monologues". Jane went through part of her performance, and it probably didn't register that she'd slipped.

The anchors are usually responsible for apologizing when slipups occur, whether their own or someone else's on the show. And Fonda may have already left the studio.

wintergreen48 wrote:It is odd what can bother you. I'm not a prude (ok, I AM a prude, but I'm not particularly obsessively so), but that particular word really bothers me. There are a whole lot of other naught words for the same naughty bit, but that word really rubs me the wrong way (although the naughty bit itself does not rub me the wrong way, in fact, being male, I can't think of a way that that particular naughty could possibly rub someone the wrong way...)

Where was I? Oh, yes. What's kind of odd is that this particular word was at time more or less proper-- it occurs a couple times in the Canterbury Tales, the Wife of Bath uses it very freely, she even brags about her naughty bit, but Chaucer spelled it with a 'quey' rather than a 'cu', so maybe that makes it different.

But it is odd how a particular word can annoy in a way that others do not.

In Robin Williams's interview on "Actor's Studio", he was asked his most and least favorite words. Least favorite was the "c" word. Most favorite, interestingly enough, was the "p" word for the same part of the female anatomy.

This is unlikely to show up as a question on 'BAM. Unless it gets bought out by Fox.

This word is just gross - especially when it is used to describe a woman. There is no word to describe a man that is as insulting. It is just vile.

My dad would hurt anyone who called me this. No kidding.

Latin, Latin, Latin! LOL That is a very, very old term.

That aside,yeah, it's probably my least favorite of the naughty words, too. Just sort of an ugly term. Unless I'm reading "Lady Chatterly's Lover" I have trouble thinking of it as a term of endearment! And even then it's a stretch. YMMV

However, Jane was using it in context, referring to a segment of "The Vagina Monologues" called "Reclaiming C--t" -- as in, destigmatizing the word by using it ourselves. Sorta like some folks have tried to do with the N-word. Or Queer! Oh, wait -- since you can say Queer on TV, and it's usually considered lighthearted & a term of affection, in that case the reclamation worked.

My oldest tried the reclamation on her MySpace page -- something like "I'm a C--t, So What?!" I was kind of repulsed by it, but she's 33 years old and can call herself whatever she wants! Me, I'm old (but not as old as Lady Chatterly's Lover, or Chaucer!), and can't see it that way. The best I can do is tack "pardon the expression" in front of it if I have to say it. Actually, that's the same thing I do with the N-word if it's necessary to say it (quoting someone, or referencing a song title, etc.) My kids -- who are Black! -- say that's OK, and just sort of snicker at me when I do it.

Really, how the heck else can you discuss The Vagina Monologues?! Va-jay-jay? Which, BTW, is on the cover of the current Cosmo, big as life at your supermarket checkout? I guess Jane coulda said the other C-word -- "Coochie Snorcher" -- but that's a whole 'nother monologue!

When an evil woman would leave the restaurant, my friend Patti would turn to me and say, "C U Next Tuesday!"

Not terribly subtle, that one...

VAdame wrote:
However, Jane was using it in context, referring to a segment of "The Vagina Monologues" called "Reclaiming C--t" -- as in, destigmatizing the word by using it ourselves.

I didn't see the show, but I saw a video clip of Jane Fonda's interview. The play evidently had been discussed earlier, and Meredith asked Jane about it. Jane said, "I hadn't seen the play.... They asked me to do a monologue called 'C---.' I said, 'I don't think so. I've got enough problems.'"

In the context of that conversation, using the word explained immediately why Jane rebuffed the play's producers. I have been infuriated by Jane Fonda in the past, but I don't think her use of the word in this case was outrageous. I'm sure everybody involved wishes the exchange hadn't occurred, but I honestly don't think anybody owed anybody else an apology.

I do have to agree this is a word that peeves a lot of people.

I can be pretty crude, and have hung around a lot of salty characters, and I have almost never used the word...nor have the people I've hung around with.

And I think the big shock was to hear a woman say it- even in the context in which she used it.

Women, in my experience, are almost universally appalled by the word.

That's why, if one of the Vagina Monologues actually was called "C...", it's even MORE shocking to me (as I assume the writers/producers of the play are women, and all the yearly or so additions are also penned by women?)

silvercamaro wrote:

VAdame wrote:
However, Jane was using it in context, referring to a segment of "The Vagina Monologues" called "Reclaiming C--t" -- as in, destigmatizing the word by using it ourselves.

I didn't see the show, but I saw a video clip of Jane Fonda's interview. The play evidently had been discussed earlier, and Meredith asked Jane about it. Jane said, "I hadn't seen the play.... They asked me to do a monologue called 'C---.' I said, 'I don't think so. I've got enough problems.'"

In the context of that conversation, using the word explained immediately why Jane rebuffed the play's producers. I have been infuriated by Jane Fonda in the past, but I don't think her use of the word in this case was outrageous. I'm sure everybody involved wishes the exchange hadn't occurred, but I honestly don't think anybody owed anybody else an apology.

I completely agree. She was telling a story, not calling anyone anything.

Back in 2005, I got dumped from "The Randi Rhodes Show" for dropping the C-bomb on live radio. In discussing the Senate confirmation hearings for Condi Rice to become Secretary of State, I let it slip that Rice was "a lying c**t".

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:Back in 2005, I got dumped from "The Randi Rhodes Show" for dropping the C-bomb on live radio. In discussing the Senate confirmation hearings for Condi Rice to become Secretary of State, I let it slip that Rice was "a lying c**t".

Go figure.

The Top Ten List on Letterman Thursday night was "Jane Fonda Excuses". In the set-up for the list, Dave explained how this uncensored comment went out "across the country live over the air," or something like that. A few seconds later, Paul asked Dave "It went out where?" Dave paused for a beat, then deliberately said "It went out across the nation."

thguy65 wrote:The Top Ten List on Letterman Thursday night was "Jane Fonda Excuses". In the set-up for the list, Dave explained how this uncensored comment went out "across the country live over the air," or something like that. A few seconds later, Paul asked Dave "It went out where?" Dave paused for a beat, then deliberately said "It went out across the nation."

It was edited for later time zones.

I completely agree. She was telling a story, not calling anyone anything.

Well, thank Heaven Jane didn't call anyone the naughtiest word you can't say on TV, at least according to the FCC.

You can say damn, but not Goddamn, because it's blasphemous. So they bleep "God." You can say ass, but not asshole, so they bleep "hole." So, the dirtiest thing you could possibly say would be "Godhole!"

More discussion here:
http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com ... 327&st=855

Here's a related question: Can you say "Cunnilingus" on TV? Same Latin root! I'm pretty sure you can say that in some contexts (legal procedings, late-night advice-type shows like Sue Johanson, etc.) "Fellatio" too. What if you're putting on a production of "Hair"? LOL

There is no word to describe a man that is as insulting. It is just vile.

I always figured the closest male equivalent was "prick" -- which isn't anywhere near as nasty or taboo, and also has an innocuous meaning (you can prick your finger, but you can't finger your.....oh, never mind!) But if I were to call a man a prick, you'd best believe I mean it as an insult. I sure wouldn't use it to speak of anyone I like!

Words are funny things, aren't they.....

I remember back in the 70s there was a radio comedy bit we used to hear sometimes -- can't remember who did it but it might have showed up on Dr. Demento. Anyhow, premise was a dirty (but rich!) old man making obscene phone calls while his butler stood by. Old man goes thru the phone book looking for women to call & decides to call a Miss (Bleep!) The butler, in his perfectly snooty, impeccably correct butler-voice, says, "I believe that's 'Tait,' sir."

We used to have endless discussions of what the (Bleeped!) name was -- I argued for

Spoiler

Tart

while my husband was pretty sure it was

Spoiler

Twat

. Could have even been

Spoiler

Tit

for all I know! But it was funny in part because of the (Bleep!)

Anyone else remember that one? And was there ever an uncut version with an actual name or was it always (Bleep!)?

thguy65 wrote:The Top Ten List on Letterman Thursday night was "Jane Fonda Excuses". In the set-up for the list, Dave explained how this uncensored comment went out "across the country live over the air," or something like that. A few seconds later, Paul asked Dave "It went out where?" Dave paused for a beat, then deliberately said "It went out across the nation."

That's funny. You know, when you think about it, there are quite a few puns that could be made, with words like contrite, control freak, controller, continued ... quite a few others.

Before seeing this, I had decided to go ahead and admit that back when I was in high school I heard some guy talking on the radio about how great his country was, about "this great free country," and all that, and I ended up spending almost an entire Saturday going to every damned nursery in Houston trying to find out where you could get one.

Can you say "Cunnilingus

I think it depends on the network. I was watching some of "Cashmere Mafia" last week, and one of the woman asked another if her new boyfriend was a 'cunning linguist'

t.

wbtravis007 wrote:

thguy65 wrote:The Top Ten List on Letterman Thursday night was "Jane Fonda Excuses". In the set-up for the list, Dave explained how this uncensored comment went out "across the country live over the air," or something like that. A few seconds later, Paul asked Dave "It went out where?" Dave paused for a beat, then deliberately said "It went out across the nation."

That's funny. You know, when you think about it, there are quite a few puns that could be made, with words like contrite, control freak, controller, continued ... quite a few others.

Before seeing this, I had decided to go ahead and admit that back when I was in high school I heard some guy talking on the radio about how great his country was, about "this great free country," and all that, and I ended up spending almost an entire Saturday going to every damned nursery in Houston trying to find out where you could get one.

There are also some classy puns available. Andrew Marvell, in his 'To His Coy Mistress,' has a reference to her 'quaint honour,' and the 'quaint' is clearly intended to have multiple meanings:

But at my back I always hear
Time's winged chariot hurrying near;
And yonder all before us lie
Deserts of vast eternity.
Thy beauty shall no more be found,
Nor, in thy marble vault, shall sound
My echoing song; then worms shall try
That long preserv'd virginity,
And your quaint honour turn to dust,
And into ashes all my lust.
The grave's a fine and private place,
But none I think do there embrace.

That marble vault thingie and the echoing song thingie both probably have multiple meanings too...

I think that what is probably the most bothersome thing to me about the word is that it is used as an insult (as noted above, about the nastiest thing you can call a woman), and yet the word itself refers to something pretty cool; seems kind of blasphemous to use that as an insult. Someone with whom I was once, um, involved, once told me that the one thing that she absolutely never wanted me to do was to call her either the 'c word' or the 'b word' (she did not actually say it that way, she spoke both words in full; I say it that way because, well, I do not use either of those words in that context); that was not based upon anything that happened between us, but she had been married before and her husband apparently used both words when he was in his cups, sometimes both at the same time, using the gerundial form of the c word as an adjective before the b word. Nasty piece of work. But I do not like those words, even though both have their place when used PROPERLY.

wintergreen48 wrote:

wbtravis007 wrote:

thguy65 wrote:The Top Ten List on Letterman Thursday night was "Jane Fonda Excuses". In the set-up for the list, Dave explained how this uncensored comment went out "across the country live over the air," or something like that. A few seconds later, Paul asked Dave "It went out where?" Dave paused for a beat, then deliberately said "It went out across the nation."

That's funny. You know, when you think about it, there are quite a few puns that could be made, with words like contrite, control freak, controller, continued ... quite a few others.

Before seeing this, I had decided to go ahead and admit that back when I was in high school I heard some guy talking on the radio about how great his country was, about "this great free country," and all that, and I ended up spending almost an entire Saturday going to every damned nursery in Houston trying to find out where you could get one.

There are also some classy puns available. Andrew Marvell, in his 'To His Coy Mistress,' has a reference to her 'quaint honour,' and the 'quaint' is clearly intended to have multiple meanings:

But at my back I always hear
Time's winged chariot hurrying near;
And yonder all before us lie
Deserts of vast eternity.
Thy beauty shall no more be found,
Nor, in thy marble vault, shall sound
My echoing song; then worms shall try
That long preserv'd virginity,
And your quaint honour turn to dust,
And into ashes all my lust.
The grave's a fine and private place,
But none I think do there embrace.

That marble vault thingie and the echoing song thingie both probably have multiple meanings too...

I think that what is probably the most bothersome thing to me about the word is that it is used as an insult (as noted above, about the nastiest thing you can call a woman), and yet the word itself refers to something pretty cool; seems kind of blasphemous to use that as an insult. Someone with whom I was once, um, involved, once told me that the one thing that she absolutely never wanted me to do was to call her either the 'c word' or the 'b word' (she did not actually say it that way, she spoke both words in full; I say it that way because, well, I do not use either of those words in that context); that was not based upon anything that happened between us, but she had been married before and her husband apparently used both words when he was in his cups, sometimes both at the same time, using the gerundial form of the c word as an adjective before the b word. Nasty piece of work. But I do not like those words, even though both have their place when used PROPERLY.

This is a good example of why I can truthfully say that there are only a handful of poems that I can name that don't suck. They tend to <using dramatic pause to indicate that I'm almost too "classy" to mention such delicate things> ... um ... beat around the bush.