Hey, Houstonians check out the flag on the wall

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themanintheseersuckersuit · #1 Post by **themanintheseersuckersuit** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:26 pm

Of the Obama supporters

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages ... geId=1.1.1

Che is so chic.

Probably just Fox disinformation

TheConfessor · #2 Post by **TheConfessor** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:30 pm

Hmm, I tried the link you gave and didn't see any image or reference to Che. However, I did find this excellent FOX report about an image of Christ in a tree stump:
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages ... geId=1.1.1

silvercamaro · #3 Post by **silvercamaro** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:47 pm

TheConfessor wrote:Hmm, I tried the link you gave and didn't see any image or reference to Che.

It's there, Confessor. On the wall of the Obama campaign office run by Hispanics is a flag of Texas overprinted with a white drawing of Che Guevara. Even though he too was an Hispanic, I am rather uncomfortable to see this Communist revolutionary (or, in today's terminology, "this terrorist") emblazoned on any flag with heroic status.

TheCalvinator24 · #4 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:55 pm

silvercamaro wrote:
TheConfessor wrote:Hmm, I tried the link you gave and didn't see any image or reference to Che.
It's there, Confessor. On the wall of the Obama campaign office run by Hispanics is a flag of Texas overprinted with a white drawing of Che Guevara. Even though he too was an Hispanic, I am rather uncomfortable to see this Communist revolutionary (or, in today's terminology, "this terrorist") emblazoned on any flag with heroic status.

That wasn't a Texas flag.

It was Cuban flag with Che's image on it.

themanintheseersuckersuit · #5 Post by **themanintheseersuckersuit** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:55 pm

TheConfessor wrote:Hmm, I tried the link you gave and didn't see any image or reference to Che. However, I did find this excellent FOX report about an image of Christ in a tree stump:
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages ... geId=1.1.1

TheConfessor · #6 Post by **TheConfessor** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:02 pm

Oh, I see. I was supposed to watch the video. I'm not surprised to see Che used iconically in various contexts, but most people who do so have no clue who Che really was and any American politician who encourages or tolerates this among their supporters is hurting their own cause. I am under no delusion that Che was a good guy.

I was surprised to see lots of Che imagery in Northern Ireland recently, but then I was reminded that his mom was from Ireland and his full name was Ernesto Guevara Lynch, so at least it made some logical sense that some locals would relate to him.

silvercamaro · #7 Post by **silvercamaro** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:07 pm

TheCalvinator24 wrote:
That wasn't a Texas flag.

It was Cuban flag with Che's image on it.

Ah. Thanks for the correction. As an unTexan, I usually see the Texas flag only in connection with football games, and I haven't been to a game in many years. Now we just have to wonder why the campaign office thought it was a good idea to hang the flag of Cuba.

TheCalvinator24 · #8 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:12 pm

I don't know why they would do it, but I already blogged about it.

Great fodder.

TheConfessor · #9 Post by **TheConfessor** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:15 pm

silvercamaro wrote:Now we just have to wonder why the campaign office thought it was a good idea to hang the flag of Cuba.

Well, it's probably preferable to Che's image superimposed on a flag of the USA.

themanintheseersuckersuit · #10 Post by **themanintheseersuckersuit** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:30 pm

I ran across this, which amused me

andrewjackson · #11 Post by **andrewjackson** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:31 pm

Some of the Houston Dynamo fans wave a flag with a black-and-orange image of Che on it. For a lot of Hispanic Ultras, those are the most fanatic soccer fans, that image of Che's face is a symbol of revolution, not necessarily Communist, just revolution in general. They know it pisses people off so they wave it all the more.

Still, no idea why the person in the video has the Cuban flag in particular with Che on it hanging behind the desk. Not a good idea to associate that with Obama.

lilclyde54 · #12 Post by **lilclyde54** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:35 pm

From here, it certainly doesn't seem like the wisest political move he could make.

Bob Juch · #13 Post by **Bob Juch** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:46 pm

lilclyde54 wrote:From here, it certainly doesn't seem like the wisest political move he could make.

He didn't make the move; an independent supporter did.

BackInTex · #14 Post by **BackInTex** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:54 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
lilclyde54 wrote:From here, it certainly doesn't seem like the wisest political move he could make.
He didn't make the move; an independent supporter did.

While 'he' didn't make the move, the person who did is far from some independent supporter. It was the manager of the local campaign office. The local office being in the largest city in one of, in not the most crucial state left to campaign in.

It doesn't look good, it is not good, and it shows what kind of people support and work for him. Most don't know who Che was or who Obama is. They don't care.

wbtravis007 · #15 Post by **wbtravis007** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:46 pm

I think that there are a lot of places where things that represent Jesus -- a Cross, or some effort to portray Him -- should be taken down.

Places that don't really even try to abide by what He preached.

Maybe we should be wondering more about whose reputation is being dishonored here, with this poster.

ne1410s · #16 Post by **ne1410s** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:43 am

<------- These flags are the only ones that matter.

TheCalvinator24 · #17 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:06 pm

ne1410s wrote:<------- These flags are the only ones that matter.

You couldn't be more wrong. They matter greatly, but they are far from the only ones that matter.

I also believe there would be fewer flag-draped coffins if people (particularly Congress) would fully back our mission in Iraq.

ne1410s · #18 Post by **ne1410s** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:00 am

You couldn't be more wrong. They matter greatly,ut they are far from the only ones that matter.

I also believe there would be fewer flag-draped coffins if people (particularly Congress) would fully back our mission in Iraq.

I COULD be more wrong: I could have your views.

You are correct that we need to fully back our refereeing of this civil war: Declare war. Institute a draft with no deferments (male or female). Put a dollar a gallon tax on gasoline to pay for it. Immediately impeach BuCheny for ignoring the Constitution.

Bixby17 · #19 Post by **Bixby17** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:24 am

BTW, a friend of mine who closely follows these things says that the video was shot before Obama's headquarters were opened in Houston. So he isn't sure where that was shot.

themanintheseersuckersuit · #20 Post by **themanintheseersuckersuit** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:53 am

Bixby17 wrote:BTW, a friend of mine who closely follows these things says that the video was shot before Obama's headquarters were opened in Houston. So he isn't sure where that was shot.

The Fox video site now says

The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.

The Che fan had previously organized a Drum Circle for Obama

http://my.barackobama.com/page/communit ... sabel/CWbH

The obligatory picture of her with Obama is here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/13912610@N06/2041832380/

http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/13/ocf2/