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Bobby Knight resigns

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:50 pm
by Bob78164
The New York Times is reporting that Bobby Knight has resigned, effective immediately, as head baskeball coach of Texas Tech. His son, Pat, takes over the reins. --Bob

Re: Bobby Knight resigns

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:48 am
by earendel
Bob78164 wrote:The New York Times is reporting that Bobby Knight has resigned, effective immediately, as head baskeball coach of Texas Tech. His son, Pat, takes over the reins. --Bob
This was the lead story on last night's late news, since Knight coached at Indiana and was a popular figure. His son says it's because he's "tired" after coaching for 42 years.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:38 am
by ne1410s
I'm glad (and hoping) that this "classic bully" will never win another basketball game.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:47 pm
by Appa23
ne1410s wrote:I'm glad (and hoping) that this "classic bully" will never win another basketball game.
Is this based on some personal experience or just your general impression of him?

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:27 pm
by Appa23
Robert Montgomery Knight -- either you love him or you hate him. There does not seem to be much middle ground.

It says a great deal to me that his players and fellow coaches, nearly universally, have nothing but praise for the man. These are the people that seem to know him the best, and who went into their "relationship" with him with open eyes.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/b ... tion.0848/

Yet, for many in the media and those in the general public, there is the lasting images of a darker side. They mainly see a man who seemingly did not follow everything that he preached, including discipline.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/ ... ortCat=ncb

In one of their interactive polls on ESPN, they had that question that has followed Knight for years and is part of every public discussion:

Would you let your son play for Bobby Knight?

For over two decades, I always have answered "yes". Knight is about putting the student, first and foremost, into student-athlete. He is about helping young men achieve their potential and become better people. However, it also has been abundently clear to me that he should have retired over a decade ago. It was clear that he could not, would not, alter his coaching style and philosophy to match the change in attitude of the players.

One of the comments left on ESPN was as follows: "I can honestly say that if your kid is raised right in the household, he should be in good hands with Coach Knight. Now, if he is weak, undisciplined, disrespectful or anything like that, then you might have a problem." It is much too simplistic of a comment, but there is some truth in the thought. Starting in the 1990s, it has been increasingly harder to get young players to buy into the concept of "team first", defense as the foundation for victory, and moving the ball rather than isolated one on ones. As the NBA rose in popularity, its style of play changed, and high schoolers and college freshmen flooded into the league, Knight's philiosophy did not work with players who had spent the previous years of their life being told that they were great, could do no wrong, and would certainly play in the NBA.

I also must admit that I always thought that I understood Knight, as he was so similar to my high school's longtime coach, who aptly was known by the moniker "Killer". To the outsider, he looked like a yelling, screaming, raving lunatic. It shocked them to see the coach of a Catholic high school cursing so much. He yelled at players. If you made a mistake, you would hear all about it (loudly). The better you were, the louder and "meaner" he seemed to be. (There were rumors of Coach breaking clipboards over the head of one player who went on to play afootball at Nebraska. Most versions did have the player wearing a helmet.) He preached ball movmenet and the 1-3-1 half-court zone. He had a set list of plays, and you would run them to perfection. There was no showboating, and dunking was nearly verboten (you could dunk, but if you ever missed, "you might as well keep running right out of the gym.")

As I finished my high school years, it was becoming clear that there was more and more budding "rebellion" against his way of playing the game. For the first time, you started to see players quitting or deciding no longer to play. Underclassman wanted to emulate the moves that they would see on Sportscenter. For the first time, he would have to deal with disciplining for off-court activities. The win-loss records got worse, and trips to the state tournament went from annual events to rare happenings.

Like Knight, he was beloved by everyone who played for him. To a man, they will tell you that they were a better student and better man becuase of him. When he passed in 2003, they flocked from around the country to lay him to rest.

In the end, I believe that Knight has done much more good than bad in his life, which is something that we all hope can be said about our impact on each other.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:27 pm
by ne1410s
ne1410s wrote:
I'm glad (and hoping) that this "classic bully" will never win another basketball game.


Is this based on some personal experience or just your general impression of him?
Coach Lou Henson is the one who called RMK the "classic bully".

I believe the players who played for Knight and worship him are suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome. :shock:

I wonder what the eight scholarship players he screwed over at TT have to say about him. :roll: :roll:

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:43 pm
by silvercamaro
Although I've seen things from ESPN that seemed like total hooey, I tend to agree with this column by Pat Forde, who seems to respect Bobby Knight's accomplishments without liking him very much at all:

http://tinyurl.com/32bdlp

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:58 pm
by andrewjackson
I don't know how I feel about Knight retiring. It will be strange for him to not be around. He was the coach at Indiana from when I was 10 until I was 39 so he is too entwined with my negative feelings toward IU for me to have a totally non-biased opinion.

But I have an opinion anyway.

In my opinion, he was a good coach, great if you look at his results, but bully is the right word. He does not respect other people. At all. Unless they totally agree with him but that isn't respect. He doesn't even treat people with common courtesy if he doesn't feel like it. He got away with behavior that others would not have simply because he won games. I will give him credit for running clean programs and for graduating his players but that does not give him license to abuse players, fans, reporters, or anyone else who got in his way the way he did for 40 years.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:36 pm
by marrymeflyfree
Appa23 wrote: It says a great deal to me that his players and fellow coaches, nearly universally, have nothing but praise for the man.
Here is a Bob Knight story for you...

I was a waitress while a student at IU, and one of my coworkers was dating a basketball player. He beat the holy hell out of her, to the point that she was in the hospital for several days. Coach Knight paid 100% of her medical bills, sent one of his staff to help her sort things out with her classes. I don't know what went down between coach Knight and the player in question, but he quietly left the team.

He's still an asshole. But he's an asshole that does the right thing by people. Just don't piss him off.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:38 pm
by traininvain
Appa23 wrote:

Would you let your son play for Bobby Knight?

For over two decades, I always have answered "yes".
And if he choked your son you would just sit back and take it, right.

The man was a Bully, I would never let one of kids go within ten feet of him. Why is it that other coaches can achieve the same winning goals, but can do it without the screaming and physical bullying? It's no wonder he never tried to coach in the NBA, the players would have laughed him out of the arena. We can all only hope that his 902 wins are eclipsed ASAP, and then he can be forgotten entirely.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:44 pm
by Appa23
traininvain wrote:
Appa23 wrote:

Would you let your son play for Bobby Knight?

For over two decades, I always have answered "yes".
And if he choked your son you would just sit back and take it, right.

Well, in that he never actually choked any player, and only laid his hands near the throat of one player (Neil Reed), you really are overstating the issue. Do I agree with everything that Knight did? No. Did he get "worse" as he got older? Yes. However, a few incidents from 40 years of coaching really have been overplayed because he had issues with the media. (He threw one chair. Lou Pinella probably has thrown 20 bases. Which one is more out of control? How is each portrayed in the media?)

The man was a Bully, I would never let one of kids go within ten feet of him. Why is it that other coaches can achieve the same winning goals, but can do it without the screaming and physical bullying?
LOL! If you think that other coaches do not yell and scream, then you are living in a dream world. The only degree of difference is how often and how loud they are, which relates to how often there will be a chance for tv cameras to catch the yelling. Coach K yells. Dean Smith yelled. I know for a fact that Roy Williams yelled at players while at Kansas.

I can appreciate that there are coaches who rarely yell, and those times that they do, it is more impactful. I also appreciate that coaches can get the same results from different approaches (I would say that Tom Osborne achieved similar on-field and off-field success with his football players as Knight did with his basketball players, and they clearly were polar opposites.)

Still, if I had to predict how my prospectively 5'9" son would have fard with Knight as a coach, I am guessing that he would not have had any issues. He would have been riased with a solid work ethic, beleive in mastering fundamentals, and a healthy respect for authority figures.

BTW, Coach Knight never wanted to coach in the NBA. He did not mix well with prima donnas (which is the reason why several players had their noses bent out of shape when they did not make the 1984 Olympic basketball team. He looked to build the best team, not a team with the 12 best players.