Dead or Alive? Game 23 12/23/07

[mrkelley23]

Dead or Alive? Game 23 12/23/07

Identify the following people as Dead or Alive. Then take a guess at the theme. There are three levels of “correctness” for today’s theme. If you get to level 3, you will get 15 bonus points. Level 2 is worth 10 points, and level 1 is worth 5. I can’t say much more than this without giving too much away: If you know level three, then levels 1 and 2 will be obvious. The first five to reach each level will receive bonus points, although you cannot get bonus points for more than one level.


1. Shirley Booth
2. Marlee Matlin
3. Mercedes McCambridge
4. Haing S. Ngor
5. Anna Paquin
6. Jo Van Fleet
7. Harold Russell
8. Eva Marie Saint
9. Jennifer Hudson
10. Timothy Hutton

[littlebeast13]

Spoiler

1. Shirley Booth - D
2. Marlee Matlin - A
3. Mercedes McCambridge - A
4. Haing S. Ngor - A
5. Anna Paquin - A
6. Jo Van Fleet - D
7. Harold Russell - D
8. Eva Marie Saint - D
9. Jennifer Hudson - A
10. Timothy Hutton- A

Best Supporting Actor/Actress Oscar winners

[fantine33]

Spoiler

Dead or Alive? Game 23 12/23/07

Identify the following people as Dead or Alive. Then take a guess at the theme. There are three levels of “correctness” for today’s theme. If you get to level 3, you will get 15 bonus points. Level 2 is worth 10 points, and level 1 is worth 5. I can’t say much more than this without giving too much away: If you know level three, then levels 1 and 2 will be obvious. The first five to reach each level will receive bonus points, although you cannot get bonus points for more than one level.


1. Shirley Booth - ALIVE
2. Marlee Matlin - ALIVE
3. Mercedes McCambridge - DEAD
4. Haing S. Ngor - DEAD
5. Anna Paquin - ALIVE
6. Jo Van Fleet - DEAD
7. Harold Russell - DEAD
8. Eva Marie Saint - ALIVE
9. Jennifer Hudson - ALIVE
10. Timothy Hutton - ALIVE

Oscar winners for a supporting role

Too bad there aren't points for knowing the movies, ha! (The only one I can't remember is Jo Van Fleet, maybe East of Eden?)

[eyégor]

Spoiler

1 D
2 A
3 D
4 D
5 A
6 D
7 D
8 A
9 A
10 A

Supporting acting role Oscar Winners

[mikehardware]

Spoiler

Dead or Alive? Game 23 12/23/07

1. Shirley Booth - Dead
2. Marlee Matlin - Alive
3. Mercedes McCambridge - Dead
4. Haing S. Ngor - Dead
5. Anna Paquin - Alive
6. Jo Van Fleet - Alive
7. Harold Russell - Alive
8. Eva Marie Saint - Dead
9. Jennifer Hudson - Alive
10. Timothy Hutton - Alive

They're actors, so Academy Award Winners? (Supporting?)

[PlacentiaSoccerMom]

Spoiler

1. Shirley Booth - Dead
2. Marlee Matlin - Alive
3. Mercedes McCambridge - Dead
4. Haing S. Ngor - Dead
5. Anna Paquin - Alive
6. Jo Van Fleet- Dead
7. Harold Russell - Dead
8. Eva Marie Saint - Alive
9. Jennifer Hudson - Alive
10. Timothy Hutton- Alive

Best Supporting Actor/Actress Oscar Winners

[gsabc]

Spoiler

1. Shirley Booth D
2. Marlee Matlin A
3. Mercedes McCambridge D
4. Haing S. Ngor D
5. Anna Paquin A
6. Jo Van Fleet A
7. Harold Russell D
8. Eva Marie Saint A
9. Jennifer Hudson A
10. Timothy Hutton A

Oscar or Tony winners; have the feeling that the additional levels have to do with Best vs. Supporting and nominations, but can't pin it down.

[ne1410s]

Spoiler

1. Shirley Booth --D
2. Marlee Matlin --D
3. Mercedes McCambridge --D
4. Haing S. Ngor --D
5. Anna Paquin --A
6. Jo Van Fleet --D
7. Harold Russell --D
8. Eva Marie Saint --A
9. Jennifer Hudson --A
10. Timothy Hutton--D

OSCAR WINNERS

[wintergreen48]

Spoiler

1. Shirley Booth = Dead
2. Marlee Matlin = Alive
3. Mercedes McCambridge = Dead
4. Haing S. Ngor = Dead
5. Anna Paquin = Alive
6. Jo Van Fleet = Alive
7. Harold Russell = Dead
8. Eva Marie Saint = Alive
9. Jennifer Hudson = Alive
10. Timothy Hutton = Alive

Hmm... lots of Oscar winners, in Best Supporting Actor/Actress categories, except I think that Marlee was Best Actress... Some got awards for playing people with disabililities... I will go with people who won Oscars in their first movie.

[a1mamacat]

Dead or Alive? Game 23 12/23/07

Identify the following people as Dead or Alive. Then take a guess at the theme. There are three levels of “correctness” for today’s theme. If you get to level 3, you will get 15 bonus points. Level 2 is worth 10 points, and level 1 is worth 5. I can’t say much more than this without giving too much away: If you know level three, then levels 1 and 2 will be obvious. The first five to reach each level will receive bonus points, although you cannot get bonus points for more than one level.

Spoiler

1. Shirley Booth D
2. Marlee Matlin A
3. Mercedes McCambridge D
4. Haing S. Ngor A
5. Anna Paquin A
6. Jo Van Fleet D
7. Harold Russell D
8. Eva Marie Saint D
9. Jennifer Hudson A
10. Timothy Hutton A

Best Supporting Oscar Winners?

[fantine33]

Spoiler

Bleah, I just had time to post the QOD before I left this morning and, since this one was pretty easy, I thought I'd answer real quick.

I was in the car driving when I thought I probably should have told you that my QOD for today was originally titled Children of a Lesser God. Oh, crap! Marlee Matlin was Best Actress, wasn't she? Crap. So what could it possibly be? Only nomination? No, Mercedes McCambridge was in Giant, too.

Debut role? No way, Terms of Endearment couldn't have been Hutton's first, or On the Waterfront for Eva Marie Saint. Well, I looked it up once I got home (before I even did my fantasy lineup!) and damn, I had no idea that Hutton (and all the 50's ladies) did so much tv and NO movies before these. Ha!

Good question! (even if I muffed it)

[tanstaafl2]

Dead or Alive? Game 23 12/23/07

Spoiler

1. Shirley Booth D Alas, Hazel has left us. My house could use a good cleaning...
2. Marlee Matlin A
3. Mercedes McCambridge D?
4. Haing S. Ngor D
5. Anna Paquin A
6. Jo Van Fleet D
7. Harold Russell D?
8. Eva Marie Saint D
9. Jennifer Hudson A
10. Timothy Hutton A

All of the ones I recognize are Academy Award winning actors. In fact I think all the ones I know are winners for Best Supporting Actor/Actress so I will add that as a "level". I have no idea which level it is.

[TheConfessor]

Spoiler

Dead or Alive? Game 23 12/23/07

Identify the following people as Dead or Alive. Then take a guess at the theme. There are three levels of “correctness” for today’s theme. If you get to level 3, you will get 15 bonus points. Level 2 is worth 10 points, and level 1 is worth 5. I can’t say much more than this without giving too much away: If you know level three, then levels 1 and 2 will be obvious. The first five to reach each level will receive bonus points, although you cannot get bonus points for more than one level.


1. Shirley Booth DEAD
2. Marlee Matlin ALIVE
3. Mercedes McCambridge DEAD
4. Haing S. Ngor DEAD
5. Anna Paquin ALIVE
6. Jo Van Fleet DEAD
7. Harold Russell DEAD
8. Eva Marie Saint DEAD
9. Jennifer Hudson ALIVE
10. Timothy Hutton ALIVE
THEME: ACTORS/ACTRESSES LEVEL 2: WHO WON ACADEMY AWARDS LEVEL 3: WHO WON FOR THEIR FIRST MOVIE ROLE

[T_Bone0806]

Spoiler

1-Dead
2-Alive
3-Dead
4-Dead
5-Alive
6-Alive
7-Dead
8-Alive
9-Alive
10-Alive

They all won an Oscar in the Best Supporting Role categories.

[NellyLunatic1980]

Spoiler

1. Shirley Booth - Dead
2. Marlee Matlin - Alive
3. Mercedes McCambridge - Alive
4. Haing S. Ngor - Dead
5. Anna Paquin - Alive
6. Jo Van Fleet - Dead
7. Harold Russell - Dead
8. Eva Marie Saint - Alive
9. Jennifer Hudson - Alive
10. Timothy Hutton - Alive

They all won Oscars for acting in supporting roles

[mrkelley23]

DorA Game 23 Answers

Identify the following people as Dead or Alive. Then take a guess at the theme. There are three levels of “correctness” for today’s theme. If you get to level 3, you will get 15 bonus points. Level 2 is worth 10 points, and level 1 is worth 5. I can’t say much more than this without giving too much away: If you know level three, then levels 1 and 2 will be obvious. The first five to reach each level will receive bonus points, although you cannot get bonus points for more than one level.

Level 1: Actors
Level 2: Academy Award Winners
Level 3: For their first movie role

This one came out of watching Dreamgirls the other night. As I often do with movies that are worth watching, but not gripping my attention every second, I was on imdb.com as I was watching, looking for trivia about the movie. That’s where I ran across this trivium about Jennifer Hudson winning the Oscar for her screen debut, and that there were 14 others who had done the same thing.

Because I was unintentionally ambiguous with my directions, I decided to award bonus points thusly: Everyone got bonus points for their last correct level. So the people who said Best Supporting Oscar winners would get level 1 points, since they obviously knew these people were actors, but not level 2 points, since they were too specific about which Oscar. May not be fair, but there you go.


1. Shirley Booth Dead
2. Marlee Matlin Alive
3. Mercedes McCambridge Dead
4. Haing S. Ngor Dead
5. Anna Paquin Alive
6. Jo Van Fleet Dead
7. Harold Russell Dead
8. Eva Marie Saint Alive
9. Jennifer Hudson Alive
10. Timothy Hutton Alive

[mrkelley23]

DorA Game 23 Scores

Lb13 12
Fanny 14
Eyegor 15
Mikehardware 17
PSM 15
Gsabc 14
Ne1410s 18
Wintergreen 24
Saucy 13
Tan 14
Confessor 24
Tbone 14
Nelly 14

[fantine33]

Because I was unintentionally ambiguous with my directions, I decided to award bonus points thusly: Everyone got bonus points for their last correct level. So the people who said Best Supporting Oscar winners would get level 1 points, since they obviously knew these people were actors, but not level 2 points, since they were too specific about which Oscar. May not be fair, but there you go.

But would those who said Oscar winners for a supporting role get level 2 points?

[mrkelley23]

Because I was unintentionally ambiguous with my directions, I decided to award bonus points thusly: Everyone got bonus points for their last correct level. So the people who said Best Supporting Oscar winners would get level 1 points, since they obviously knew these people were actors, but not level 2 points, since they were too specific about which Oscar. May not be fair, but there you go.

But would those who said Oscar winners for a supporting role get level 2 points?

Nope -- just level 1, since at least two of these (Booth and Matlin) did not win for supporting roles

[tanstaafl2]

Because I was unintentionally ambiguous with my directions, I decided to award bonus points thusly: Everyone got bonus points for their last correct level. So the people who said Best Supporting Oscar winners would get level 1 points, since they obviously knew these people were actors, but not level 2 points, since they were too specific about which Oscar. May not be fair, but there you go.

But would those who said Oscar winners for a supporting role get level 2 points?

Nope -- just level 1, since at least two of these (Booth and Matlin) did not win for supporting roles

Level 1: Actors
Level 2: Academy Award Winners
Level 3: For their first movie role

Not really bothered one way or another by how points are determined even though I have done pretty well this month, probably mostly because I have played every day and gotten a few early response bonuses I suppose.

But...

Based on the levels as you described them and if as you say above that people who put "Best Supporting Oscar winners would get level 1 points, since they obviously knew these people were actors" it would seem reasonable to also conclude that people who answered Best Supporting Oscar winner knew that they were a) Actors (level 1) AND b) Academy Award Winners (level 2). What they did not get right was why they were Academy Award winners, that they were winners c) For their first movie role (level 3)

So it would seem that recognition for level 1 and level 2 as you described them would be appropriate because what they got wrong was not the level 2 component but the level 3 component. I'm just sayin'...

Of course game meister decisions are final. YMMV!

[fantine33]

Not really bothered one way or another by how points are determined even though I have done pretty well this month, probably mostly because I have played every day and gotten a few early response bonuses I suppose.

But...

Based on the levels as you described them and if as you say above that people who put "Best Supporting Oscar winners would get level 1 points, since they obviously knew these people were actors" it would seem reasonable to also conclude that people who answered Best Supporting Oscar winner knew that they were a) Actors (level 1) AND b) Academy Award Winners (level 2). What they did not get right was why they were Academy Award winners, that they were winners c) For their first movie role (level 3)

So it would seem that recognition for level 1 and level 2 as you described them would be appropriate because what they got wrong was not the level 2 component but the level 3 component. I'm just sayin'...

Of course game meister decisions are final. YMMV!

Aw, Snoopy, even if you're stumping for yourself, thanks for putting in my quote so it looks like you're sticking up for me. Ha!

Although my reading of "bonus points for their last correct level" was that you kept getting levels until you said something wrong. So Best Supporting Oscar Winners get zonked before they get to Oscar winners, whereas Oscar Winners for a supporting role get to Level 2 before they get it wrong.

Except I just looked at your answer and you got to Oscar before Supporting like I did. So my argument would work for you as well. Never mind. Ha!

[fantine33]

Also, it didn't hit me until I read your "Hazel" comment that I had mixed up Shirley Booth and Shirley Knight. There went my best shot at a perfect D/A game. Ha!

[tanstaafl2]

Not really bothered one way or another by how points are determined even though I have done pretty well this month, probably mostly because I have played every day and gotten a few early response bonuses I suppose.

But...

Based on the levels as you described them and if as you say above that people who put "Best Supporting Oscar winners would get level 1 points, since they obviously knew these people were actors" it would seem reasonable to also conclude that people who answered Best Supporting Oscar winner knew that they were a) Actors (level 1) AND b) Academy Award Winners (level 2). What they did not get right was why they were Academy Award winners, that they were winners c) For their first movie role (level 3)

So it would seem that recognition for level 1 and level 2 as you described them would be appropriate because what they got wrong was not the level 2 component but the level 3 component. I'm just sayin'...

Of course game meister decisions are final. YMMV!

Aw, Snoopy, even if you're stumping for yourself, thanks for putting in my quote so it looks like you're sticking up for me. Ha!

Although my reading of "bonus points for their last correct level" was that you kept getting levels until you said something wrong. So Best Supporting Oscar Winners get zonked before they get to Oscar winners, whereas Oscar Winners for a supporting role get to Level 2 before they get it wrong.

Except I just looked at your answer and you got to Oscar before Supporting like I did. So my argument would work for you as well. Never mind. Ha!

Always happy to stick up for you! Not to mention get more points although the additional points would seem likely to apply to Nelly as well so it wouldn't change the standings at this point.

[mrkelley23]

Yeah, I'm sticking to the way I posted it, even though it may look wrong on the face of it.

Here's how I originally envisioned the scoring: you could take a guess on a broad general category (actors) or at a more specific range within that broad category (Oscar winners) or at the highest level of specificity (winning in their movie debut). It was SUPPOSED to be clear that you could only make one guess, so you could either play it real safe or go for the gusto, but you could only guess at one level or the other, not all three at once.

After posting the answers and looking at people's responses, it was clear that almost no one got that from my instructions (understandable once I read them) so I went with a different method, which essentially penalized people a level for saying something wrong. I couldn't see giving the same score to people who said "supporting actor Oscars" and those who said "Oscar winners," especially in the unlikely event that someone actually understood my instructions, and was playing for the 10 point bonus only. So saying "actors" got you five bonus points, but saying "TV actors" would have gotten you zero. Oscar winners got you ten, but supporting Oscar winners got you only 5.

[wbtravis007]

Shoot. I knew most of these for once, too.