Clemens career

[macrae1234]

he was washed up in Boston he went 10-13 with a 3.63 ERA he goes to Toronto and meets Brian Macnamee a "Strength and Conditioning Coach" he goes 21-7 and 20-6. Never one to pass up a "bargain' the Yankees ask him to play and realize his dream of a WS ring. Roger goes 14-10. The Yankees hire Brian Macnamee and Roger goes 33-11 over 2 years and wins a couple of WS rings

[tanstaafl2]

Is anybody really that surprised that Clemens has been juiced off and on for years? And he is hardly alone.

But I blame baseball owners/management far more than the players. If they had wanted to stop it they could have years ago. But they needed the good publicity to recover from the strike disaster of 1994 and deliberately and knowingly turned a blind eye.

If they now try to strike back at players for past sins it is the height of hypocrisy.

Time to start looking forward. The damage is done and doing anything now only compounds the sin, including their role in it.

There are no winners here and the biggest losers, as always, are the fans.

[T_Bone0806]

Never was a big fan of Roger, even when he was with the Yankees. I'm a little disappointed with Pettitte, though. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, though...Andy has been Clemens' "little brother" and followed his lead for quite some time.

Unfortunate that the probe was done by someone so closely associated with the Red Sox. "Some" will find the fact that the Yankees were hit so hard by this and the Sox barely touched (Gagne doesn't count, and Mo Vaughn was on the DL half the time) highly suspicious. The blogs are already ablaze, with Yankee fans screaming bias and Sox fans condemning the entire 25-man Yankee rosters and calling for the return of the 4 sets of World Series rings. Personally, I think the problem was probably even worse than what this report came up with. However, the fact remains that there was no policy against it at the time. As rotten as the use of these enhancements were, suspending players retroactively for doing something that wasn't against the rules at the time is sorta like busting 19 year-olds for drinking back when 18 was the legal age, just because it's 21 now. And let's face it, the media, ownership, and the majority of fans created this monster. Owners pay the big bucks for, and the media and fans want those Sportscenter highlight-grabbing long balls and 100MPH fastballs. The current culture doesn't celebrate the .300 slaphitters, they canonize the guys who go deep. Players looked to gain whatever edge they could to keep those millions rolling in. No different than the businessmen who use every unscrupulous method possible to gain an edge. Not saying it's right, just saying that a lot of folks wagging their fingers now are criticizing a situation that they, however indirectly, helped to create.

One final thought..when does the big investigation into Pro Football get underway? Or are all those 300-pound linemen getting those muscles from an extra helping of Campbell's Chunky Soup? I like football, but it seems to me that baseball was an easier target because of the huge contracts and the fact that it's no longer "America's Game". Heaven forbid we take a chance on casting a shadow over our Sunday gladiators and costing all those bookies their livelihoods.

Sad state of affairs, but I get the feeling that baseball will survive one way or another.

[traininvain]

Never was a big fan of Roger, even when he was with the Yankees. I'm a little disappointed with Pettitte, though. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, though...Andy has been Clemens' "little brother" and followed his lead for quite some time.

Unfortunate that the probe was done by someone so closely associated with the Red Sox. "Some" will find the fact that the Yankees were hit so hard by this and the Sox barely touched (Gagne doesn't count, and Mo Vaughn was on the DL half the time) highly suspicious. The blogs are already ablaze, with Yankee fans screaming bias and Sox fans condemning the entire 25-man Yankee rosters and calling for the return of the 4 sets of World Series rings. Personally, I think the problem was probably even worse than what this report came up with. However, the fact remains that there was no policy against it at the time. As rotten as the use of these enhancements were, suspending players retroactively for doing something that wasn't against the rules at the time is sorta like busting 19 year-olds for drinking back when 18 was the legal age, just because it's 21 now. And let's face it, the media, ownership, and the majority of fans created this monster. Owners pay the big bucks for, and the media and fans want those Sportscenter highlight-grabbing long balls and 100MPH fastballs. The current culture doesn't celebrate the .300 slaphitters, they canonize the guys who go deep. Players looked to gain whatever edge they could to keep those millions rolling in. No different than the businessmen who use every unscrupulous method possible to gain an edge. Not saying it's right, just saying that a lot of folks wagging their fingers now are criticizing a situation that they, however indirectly, helped to create.

One final thought..when does the big investigation into Pro Football get underway? Or are all those 300-pound linemen getting those muscles from an extra helping of Campbell's Chunky Soup? I like football, but it seems to me that baseball was an easier target because of the huge contracts and the fact that it's no longer "America's Game". Heaven forbid we take a chance on casting a shadow over our Sunday gladiators and costing all those bookies their livelihoods.

Sad state of affairs, but I get the feeling that baseball will survive one way or another.

REC!

[gotribego26]

One final thought..when does the big investigation into Pro Football get underway? Or are all those 300-pound linemen getting those muscles from an extra helping of Campbell's Chunky Soup? I like football, but it seems to me that baseball was an easier target because of the huge contracts and the fact that it's no longer "America's Game". Heaven forbid we take a chance on casting a shadow over our Sunday gladiators and costing all those bookies their livelihoods.

I think Football can point to faster reaction. a tougher set of rules and more testing in their defense. I'm a little surprised how little outrage was raised over Dr. Shortt down the road here. Football's problem today is HGH - until they get a test for it, I'm not sure what they do.

No one can keep up with the chemists. We need to go after them.