How thickly can I veil this

[ghostjmf]

If someone tells you right up front "I'm an actor", RUN.

If you are in the sort of relationship from which you can.

[MarleysGh0st]

That's pretty thickly veiled.

[Bob Juch]

If someone tells you right up front "I'm an actor", RUN.

If you are in the sort of relationship from which you can.

Are you dissin' my girlfriend?

[mellytu74]

If someone tells you right up front "I'm an actor", RUN.

If you are in the sort of relationship from which you can.

Gee, ghost, you could have just put me on your foe list and be done with it.

[ulysses5019]

If someone tells you right up front "I'm an actor", RUN.

If you are in the sort of relationship from which you can.

Gee, ghost, you could have just put me on your foe list and be done with it.

LOL. Just move to NYC so you can be a complete We/We.

[peacock2121]

If someone tells you right up front "I'm an actor", RUN.

If you are in the sort of relationship from which you can.

Gee, ghost, you could have just put me on your foe list and be done with it.

Melly,

I am sure this was not meant to be personal. I think ghost got hurt or disappointed or left holding the bag by someone who said they were an actor. Probably a housemate - maybe not.

Ghost,

I am sorry something disappointing happened to you.

[ghostjmf]

& BobJ, except he indicated he knew the context to which I was referring:

If you go to the movies, to plays, etc, you expect to see actors, acting. Acting there is OK. In real life, when the people you meet are not met in the capacity of acting, but they prominently announce that they are an actor, they are doing it because they think it qualifies as "fair warning" for un-called for acting they will subsequently do.

Say, in an also thickly veiled example, your plumber announces to you "I'm an actor", then a few days or weeks later gives you a very suspicious (& expensive) story regarding your plumbing; RUN. If you can.

OK?

[Bob Juch]

& BobJ, except he indicated he knew the context to which I was referring:

If you go to the movies, to plays, etc, you expect to see actors, acting. Acting there is OK. In real life, when the people you meet are not met in the capacity of acting, but they prominently announce that they are an actor, they are doing it because they think it qualifies as "fair warning" for un-called for acting they will subsequently do.

Say, in an also thickly veiled example, your plumber announces to you "I'm an actor", then a few days or weeks later gives you an very interesting (& expensive) story regarding your plumbing; RUN. If you can.

OK?

No. You are saying that all actors are pathological liars. Only the converse is true.

[5LD]

Acting is truth. It's not lying. Lying is bad acting. Truth is good acting.

[ghostjmf]

BobJ says:

No. You are saying that all actors are pathological liars. Only the converse is true.

What I'm saying is that there's no reason to announce "I'm an actor" unless you're either on an audition for an acting job, doing the acting job, or the topic comes up in general conversation. Anyone who shows up to do plumbing (or any other professional job) & announces front & center that they're an actor is one of those people who feels that all aspects of life deserve to be acted, including, say, plumbing.

Weirdly enough, the people who make this announcement in inappropriate contexts feel they are doing it out of a sense of honor; once they've told you, in effect "I am always acting" they are, by their standards, if you can call them that, free to lie.

All actors are not pathological liars. Not in real life. The problem is when anyone confuses real life with acting. And I'm not talking about considering it acting to behave according to what you were hired in, say a plumbing job, to do, even if at heart you don't feel you're a plumber. Doesn't matter what you'd like in your heart of hearts to have been, if youlre hired to plumb, you'd better know how to plumb.

Not all pathological liars feel they are actors, despite your statement above. And a lot of them aren't very good actors when they tell their lies. Doesn't stop them, though.

[silverscreenselect]

Say, in an also thickly veiled example, your plumber announces to you "I'm an actor", then a few days or weeks later gives you a very suspicious (& expensive) story regarding your plumbing; RUN. If you can.

I thought it was only waiters and waitresses who told people they were actors.

Lots of people who are or think they are underemployed will tell customers that they are "really" something else, presumably to boost their self-esteem or to get the customer to regard or relate to them better.

[ghostjmf]

SSS says:

I thought it was only waiters and waitresses who told people they were actors.

Lots of people who are or think they are underemployed will tell customers that they are "really" something else, presumably to boost their self-esteem or to get the customer to regard or relate to them better.

We are certainly not talking about the underemployed, or a waitstaff person here.

I should have put "waitstaff" in my "exceptions" clause;

"if you're on an audition, acting at the acting job, especially if your lines are "I am an actor", or if the topic comes up in general conversation, or if you're a waitstaff person (which would actually be considered general conversation, I hope; at least I hope they don't tell you they're an actor before they take your order)

then

its OK to say you're an actor."

[peacock2121]

I like getting clear about the rules.

[BigDrawMan]

is "thick veiling" the same as lying??

[5LD]

And, I forgot to mention, I am an actor.

[ghostjmf]

SpongeBobPantless says:

is "thick veiling" the same as lying??

Thick veiling is giving an equivalent to a real situation, while not naming names or giving actual professions that could be used to identify people.

And since I'm making comments &/or having a discussion here, although not with you, why would you be concerned?

[Bob Juch]

BobJ says:

No. You are saying that all actors are pathological liars. Only the converse is true.

What I'm saying is that there's no reason to announce "I'm an actor" unless you're either on an audition for an acting job, doing the acting job, or the topic comes up in general conversation. Anyone who shows up to do plumbing (or any other professional job) & announces front & center that they're an actor is one of those people who feels that all aspects of life deserve to be acted, including, say, plumbing.

Weirdly enough, the people who make this announcement in inappropriate contexts feel they are doing it out of a sense of honor; once they've told you, in effect "I am always acting" they are, by their standards, if you can call them that, free to lie.

All actors are not pathological liars. Not in real life. The problem is when anyone confuses real life with acting. And I'm not talking about considering it acting to behave according to what you were hired in, say a plumbing job, to do, even if at heart you don't feel you're a plumber. Doesn't matter what you'd like in your heart of hearts to have been, if youlre hired to plumb, you'd better know how to plumb.

Not all pathological liars feel they are actors, despite your statement above. And a lot of them aren't very good actors when they tell their lies. Doesn't stop them, though.

So let me recap: You had a plumber show up who told you he was an actor. He inflated the cost of repairs. Therefore anyone else who announces s/he is an actor (besides a waiter) will lie to you. Is that about it?

[BigDrawMan]

SpongeBobPantless says:

is "thick veiling" the same as lying??

Thick veiling is giving an equivalent to a real situation, while not naming names or giving actual professions that could be used to identify people.

And since I'm making comments &/or having a discussion here, although not with you, why would you be concerned?

you are obscuring the truth

that is a form of lying

is that how an actor would do it?

[Jeemie]

So let me recap: You had a plumber show up who told you he was an actor. He inflated the cost of repairs. Therefore anyone else who announces s/he is an actor (besides a waiter) will lie to you. Is that about it?

What?

You're telling me that YOU have a problem with hasty and unwarranted generalizations?

That's a laugh...

[christie1111]

What I'm saying is that there's no reason to announce "I'm an actor" unless you're either on an audition for an acting job, doing the acting job, or the topic comes up in general conversation. Anyone who shows up to do plumbing (or any other professional job) & announces front & center that they're an actor is one of those people who feels that all aspects of life deserve to be acted, including, say, plumbing.

Maybe they are saying they would rather be an actor, but can't find work.

If you felt that you would rather have a plumber who was a plumber and not an actor who was doing a plumbing job, you should have hired a different person.

The whole lying thing a completely different point altogether.

[ghostjmf]

BobJ says:

So let me recap: You had a plumber show up who told you he was an actor. He inflated the cost of repairs. Therefore anyone else who announces s/he is an actor (besides a waiter) will lie to you. Is that about it?

If they show up in a non-acting professional capacity & announce "I'm an actor" for no apparent reason, pretty much.

On the other hand, if I get into a conversation with said plumber about what they do besides their profession, & they start to talk about acting, well, I asked, & they told. No big deal. They might also tell me what locally-filmed movies they've worked on, or whatever.

Also, if the plumber's friends, life-partner(s), etc also show up on the job & announce "they're an actor!", well, that's friends for ya. I wouldn't draw too much from it. Dunno why the plumber is traveling with an entourage, though.

You don't expect your plumber to show up & announce, unsolicited, "I'm really a rocket scientist", even if they are, but if they do announce that, you wouldn't next expect them to lie to you, though you might expect they're not happy to be plumbing. But if they announce "I'm an actor", RUN. Like I said before, if you can.

[ghostjmf]

christie1111 says:

Maybe they are saying they would rather be an actor, but can't find work.

We are not talking general conversation here, as in "we got into a conversation & they are saying they would rather be an actor". We are talking someone who shows up to perform in a different profession & feels the need to 1st proclaim, unsolicited, that they are an actor.

[Yahoo Groups Plumber]

I always tell people when I show up on the job that I'm a Merry Man. They kinda start to get uncomfortable after I say that, but for $345 an hour, I couldn't care less....

[christie1111]

christie1111 says:

Maybe they are saying they would rather be an actor, but can't find work.

We are not talking general conversation here, as in "we got into a conversation & they are saying they would rather be an actor". We are talking someone who shows up to perform in a different profession & feels the need to 1st proclaim, unsolicited, that they are an actor.

Whatever.

Seems to be nitpicking to me.

And I still can not figure why you have to veil everything. Do you really think the plumber/actor is going to be reading this bored.

[mellytu74]

& BobJ, except he indicated he knew the context to which I was referring:

If you go to the movies, to plays, etc, you expect to see actors, acting. Acting there is OK. In real life, when the people you meet are not met in the capacity of acting, but they prominently announce that they are an actor, they are doing it because they think it qualifies as "fair warning" for un-called for acting they will subsequently do.

Say, in an also thickly veiled example, your plumber announces to you "I'm an actor", then a few days or weeks later gives you a very suspicious (& expensive) story regarding your plumbing; RUN. If you can.

OK?

OK.

A question -- this plumber. How did you get him? Is he licensed?

I'm not sure I'd use an unlicensed plumber to begin with - sometimes these guys don't keep up with codes. Here, if a building trades guy wants to keep up his license, he has to take a test periodically, to make sure he knows all the latest regulations.

If he were licensed with good recommendations, then I'm not sure I'd care if he announced he was an actor or Kubla Khan. Especially, if he did good work.

I mean, I bet the built-in closets made a carpenter-waiting-for-an-acting-break, Harrison Ford, were well done.

Why did you feel the need to veil it -- heavily or otherwise?