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I liked what I saw yesterday in the House as, although Obama's "stimulus" plan was passed, not a single Republican voted to pass. This lays the package squarely on the shoulders of the Democrats. Success or failure now is on their ledger. I hope the Republicans in the Senate follow suit.

You like partisanship?

Economists gave the plan a solid B, BTW. Some parts are crap, but others are good.

Better than just doing nothing.

Suffocating Mini wrote:You like partisanship?

Economists gave the plan a solid B, BTW. Some parts are crap, but others are good.

Better than just doing nothing.

Nobody trusts the political views of someone in a 21st century gas mask....

lb13

11 Democrats said "no" too.

And who cares what "economists" think? You realize that you can do just as well as "economists" in predicting the future course of the economy?

littlebeast13 wrote:

Suffocating Mini wrote:You like partisanship?

Economists gave the plan a solid B, BTW. Some parts are crap, but others are good.

Better than just doing nothing.

Nobody trusts the political views of someone in a 21st century gas mask....

lb13

Anthrax Scare! I thought we were on Orange Terror Alert like permanently.

Suffocating Mini wrote:You like partisanship?

Economists gave the plan a solid B, BTW. Some parts are crap, but others are good.

Better than just doing nothing.

I like it when Republicans stand up for their principles instead of going along just to create some impression of bipartisanship.

Sir_Galahad wrote:I liked what I saw yesterday in the House as, although Obama's "stimulus" plan was passed, not a single Republican voted to pass. This lays the package squarely on the shoulders of the Democrats. Success or failure now is on their ledger. I hope the Republicans in the Senate follow suit.

Clinton's first budget passed without a single Republican vote, and that started us on the way out of deficit. But Obama is not the sort to be willing to go to the mat for anything so I expect the Republicans in the Senate will be able to pick apart and gut the package considerably before it finally passes in some form.

This bill is some 1500 pages. I would wager that almost everyone talking about it, pro and con, hasn't really made a serious effort to study it but is instead relying on their favorite talking points from pundits and talk radio hosts, left and right.

But Obama is not the sort to be willing to go to the mat for anything

How do you know this? You're very good at making negative pronouncements about the future. I've seen a bunch of assumptions in most of your posts. How about just seeing what shakes out for a month or so. Or longer.

Suffocating Mini wrote:

But Obama is not the sort to be willing to go to the mat for anything

How do you know this? You're very good at making negative pronouncements about the future. I've seen a bunch of assumptions in most of your posts. How about just seeing what shakes out for a month or so. Or longer.

Has he ever demonstrated one bit of backbone in his entire political career? I don't count that "courageous" anti-Iraq speech in front of three people that disappeared from his website until he decided he could use it as a campaign prop.

Suffocating Mini wrote:You like partisanship?

Economists gave the plan a solid B, BTW. Some parts are crap, but others are good.

Better than just doing nothing.

I don't believe that it's partisanship when you are standing up for something that is a) not needed and b) loaded with pork. The last "stimulus" did nothing to stimulate the economy so why would this one be any different? What is needed, IMO, is some good strong belt-tightening and letting the various markets correct and reset themselves. Those not able to weather the storm will not do well but that's capitalism at work. I also think the fed should raise interest rates to help tighten up credit, not the other way around. But, that's just me. I'm just one guy that has seen everything the Fed has tried has not worked. So, let's go the other way instead of flooding the markets with more money which only serves, IMO, to devalue the dollar, not strengthen it.

silverscreenselect wrote:

Suffocating Mini wrote:

But Obama is not the sort to be willing to go to the mat for anything

How do you know this? You're very good at making negative pronouncements about the future. I've seen a bunch of assumptions in most of your posts. How about just seeing what shakes out for a month or so. Or longer.

Has he ever demonstrated one bit of backbone in his entire political career? I don't count that "courageous" anti-Iraq speech in front of three people that disappeared from his website until he decided he could use it as a campaign prop.

Things that happen during campaigning are different and you know it. Swift-Boat, anyone? And he did bring it back, as you noted.

silverscreenselect wrote: This bill is some 1500 pages. I would wager that almost everyone talking about it, pro and con, hasn't really made a serious effort to study it but is instead relying on their favorite talking points from pundits and talk radio hosts, left and right.

Present company included?

It's gonna be a long 8 years for comedian Rush Limbaugh and his sheep.

MarleysGh0st wrote:

silverscreenselect wrote: This bill is some 1500 pages. I would wager that almost everyone talking about it, pro and con, hasn't really made a serious effort to study it but is instead relying on their favorite talking points from pundits and talk radio hosts, left and right.

Present company included?

I am not sure where to read this (not that I have the time or mental capacity to digest it) but, once the bill is passed, you can see where your hard-earned tax dollars are being spent at the following website:

http://www.recovery.gov/

Oh, and if you want to actual read the bill, you can find it here:

http://www.washingtonwatch.com/blog/200 ... bill-text/

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:It's gonna be a long 8 years for comedian Rush Limbaugh and his sheep.

So let me get this straight.

If we disagree with anything Obama does or wants to do- that will make us a "Rush Limbaugh sheep".

Is that what you're saying?

I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer from you.

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:It's gonna be a long 8 years for comedian Rush Limbaugh and his sheep.

Tell me, Nelly, how is Rush a "comedian." (I know that pea also finds him funny)

What does he say that makes you laugh?

can they do the philly, the boogaloo and the skate, those Repubs.? shuldn't have a bunch of "nos" starting off their stuff if they cant.

Sir_Galahad wrote:

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:It's gonna be a long 8 years for comedian Rush Limbaugh and his sheep.

Tell me, Nelly, how is Rush a "comedian." (I know that pea also finds him funny)

What does he say that makes you laugh?

Maybe they're hoping he's a comedian and not serious about some of the stuff he says. Like Colbert.

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:It's gonna be a long 8 years for comedian Rush Limbaugh and his sheep.

4 years, not 8...

Big-Haired Mini wrote:

Sir_Galahad wrote:

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:It's gonna be a long 8 years for comedian Rush Limbaugh and his sheep.

Tell me, Nelly, how is Rush a "comedian." (I know that pea also finds him funny)

What does he say that makes you laugh?

Maybe they're hoping he's a comedian and not serious about some of the stuff he says. Like Colbert.

Perhaps. But, I think that if Nelly and others do a little research into the things he says, they would find that most, if not all of what he says is true. Instead of blindly believe the crap they hear on MTV, Entertainment Tonight and The New York Times, perhaps a little truth-seeking would be in order.

Big-Haired Mini wrote:

Sir_Galahad wrote:

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:It's gonna be a long 8 years for comedian Rush Limbaugh and his sheep.

Tell me, Nelly, how is Rush a "comedian." (I know that pea also finds him funny)

What does he say that makes you laugh?

Maybe they're hoping he's a comedian and not serious about some of the stuff he says. Like Colbert.

William F. Buckley had a sharp wit, but ever since him, most right wingers haven't done too well as political satirists. They never seem to know where to stop and wind up hammering their points home with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. The recent "American Carol" was a perfect example. Making fun of Michael Moore is one thing; filling a movie with kids in wheelchairs being hit in the head repeatedly is another.

Rush Limbaugh's idea of humor was imitating Michael J. Fox with Parkinson's, a little stunt that may have cost the Republicans the Missouri Senate seat.

On the other hand, right wingers write better political and military thrillers than left wingers do.

I, too, am glad that the Republicans voted as a block to say no.

Success or failure, it is an entirely Democratic show. If it works, they will have a big boost for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

If it doesn't, I believe the American voters will opt for 'change' yet again.

Of minor interest, is the talk of "Republican partisanship" in voting for the bill, but no, or very few mentions of the 11 Democrats who voted 'nay.'

Of minor interest, is the talk of "Republican partisanship" in voting for the bill, but no, or very few mentions of the 11 Democrats who voted 'nay.'

Well, I'll gladly laud their bipartisan spirit now that you've brought it up, but I doubt that's what you were going for...

Sir_Galahad wrote:What is needed, IMO, is some good strong belt-tightening and letting the various markets correct and reset themselves. Those not able to weather the storm will not do well but that's capitalism at work. I also think the fed should raise interest rates to help tighten up credit, not the other way around.

So you'd like us to repeat the success story of the Japanese economy in the 1990s? --Bob

Bob78164 wrote:

Sir_Galahad wrote:What is needed, IMO, is some good strong belt-tightening and letting the various markets correct and reset themselves. Those not able to weather the storm will not do well but that's capitalism at work. I also think the fed should raise interest rates to help tighten up credit, not the other way around.

So you'd like us to repeat the success story of the Japanese economy in the 1990s? --Bob

Maybe you ought to read exactly what the japanese did that prolonged their recession before you make such a statement.

Hint- it was NOT "simply letting the markets correct and reset themselves".