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speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:35 am
by BigDrawMan
can fresh water ice be a variety of temperatures?

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:37 am
by themanintheseersuckersuit
Sure put ice in the deep freeze and it will be colder than in the regular freezer.

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:38 am
by MarleysGh0st
BigDrawMan wrote:can fresh water ice be a variety of temperatures?
Yes.

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:17 am
by andrewjackson
There is also the pressure component.

Increasing the pressure on the water will mean that the water has to get colder before it will freeze.

That's not going to happen at typical atmospheric pressure changes, though. A low pressure system coming through will not mean that ice will form more easily. The rate of change for the freezing point of water is very low.

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:20 am
by BigDrawMan
carl the duck has taken to laying on the ice instead of standing on his widdle feet

i am wondering why that is

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:21 am
by MarleysGh0st
BigDrawMan wrote:carl the duck has taken to laying on the ice instead of standing on his widdle feet

i am wondering why that is
Maybe he's tired?

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:23 am
by Rexer25
BigDrawMan wrote:carl the duck has taken to laying on the ice instead of standing on his widdle feet

i am wondering why that is
Could his feet be frozen to the ice?

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:25 am
by BigDrawMan
Rexer25 wrote:
BigDrawMan wrote:carl the duck has taken to laying on the ice instead of standing on his widdle feet

i am wondering why that is
Could his feet be frozen to the ice?
nonono

carl is too smart to get frozen to the ice

i am sure there is a reason for his ice layin

i intuit he is warmer that way

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:27 am
by peacock2121
His feathers protect his body from the cold better than his feet are protected by whatever is on the bottom of his feet.

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:41 am
by BigDrawMan
peacock2121 wrote:His feathers protect his body from the cold better than his feet are protected by whatever is on the bottom of his feet.

mebbe

but his feet are tucked under him when he sets on the ice

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:45 am
by peacock2121
BigDrawMan wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:His feathers protect his body from the cold better than his feet are protected by whatever is on the bottom of his feet.

mebbe

but his feet are tucked under him when he sets on the ice
I bet they are shoved up into his feathers.

Invite him inside where it is warm.

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:45 am
by andrewjackson
Standing might be colder than lying on the ice since the air temperature is probably colder than the ice right now. Lying down would expose less body to the air. Especially those body parts not covered by feathers.

Eventually the ice will cool down into equilibrium with the air but for now the air is probably colder.

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:46 am
by ulysses5019
peacock2121 wrote:
BigDrawMan wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:His feathers protect his body from the cold better than his feet are protected by whatever is on the bottom of his feet.

mebbe

but his feet are tucked under him when he sets on the ice
I bet they are shoved up into his feathers.

Invite him inside where it is warm.
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Tell him the oven is even warmer and cozier. Don't forget to have him take off his feathers.

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:47 am
by MarleysGh0st
BigDrawMan wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:His feathers protect his body from the cold better than his feet are protected by whatever is on the bottom of his feet.

mebbe

but his feet are tucked under him when he sets on the ice
Besides the body heat he's losing into the ice, he's losing some into the air. Even though his feathers provide good insulation, he would lose less heat that way by sitting down and reducing his exposed surface area. That would be particularly beneficial now that the wind chill is so bad.

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:02 pm
by ulysses5019
MarleysGh0st wrote:
BigDrawMan wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:His feathers protect his body from the cold better than his feet are protected by whatever is on the bottom of his feet.

mebbe

but his feet are tucked under him when he sets on the ice
Besides the body heat he's losing into the ice, he's losing some into the air. Even though his feathers provide good insulation, he would lose less heat that way by sitting down and reducing his exposed surface area. That would be particularly beneficial now that the wind chill is so bad.
If you're not gonna invite him in then at least put a hat on him.

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:47 pm
by BigDrawMan
MarleysGh0st wrote:
BigDrawMan wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:His feathers protect his body from the cold better than his feet are protected by whatever is on the bottom of his feet.

mebbe

but his feet are tucked under him when he sets on the ice
Besides the body heat he's losing into the ice, he's losing some into the air. Even though his feathers provide good insulation, he would lose less heat that way by sitting down and reducing his exposed surface area. That would be particularly beneficial now that the wind chill is so bad.


i intuit he is decreasing his surface area that is exposed to the air
the temperature of the ice doesnt matter, because Carl has down under his belly feathers, and a big gut.
he dont need no school cancellation

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:49 pm
by peacock2121
Carl learnt how to be a man from you.

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:49 pm
by MarleysGh0st
BigDrawMan wrote:
MarleysGh0st wrote:
BigDrawMan wrote:
mebbe

but his feet are tucked under him when he sets on the ice
Besides the body heat he's losing into the ice, he's losing some into the air. Even though his feathers provide good insulation, he would lose less heat that way by sitting down and reducing his exposed surface area. That would be particularly beneficial now that the wind chill is so bad.


i intuit he is decreasing his surface area that is exposed to the air
the temperature of the ice doesnt matter, because Carl has down under his belly feathers, and a big gut.
he dont need no school cancellation
Well, now, you've intuited what I explained to you pretty well! :)

Re: speaking of ice

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:55 pm
by BigDrawMan
MarleysGh0st wrote:
BigDrawMan wrote:
MarleysGh0st wrote: Besides the body heat he's losing into the ice, he's losing some into the air. Even though his feathers provide good insulation, he would lose less heat that way by sitting down and reducing his exposed surface area. That would be particularly beneficial now that the wind chill is so bad.


i intuit he is decreasing his surface area that is exposed to the air
the temperature of the ice doesnt matter, because Carl has down under his belly feathers, and a big gut.
he dont need no school cancellation
Well, now, you've intuited what I explained to you pretty well! :)


indeed
we are cointuity

carl seems impervious to the wind, though

i heard that waterbirds leg/foot veins and arteries are twined to keep the vein blood warm.