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The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:23 pm
by macrae1234
At the 2 minute warning Pittsburgh was first and ten at the San Diego 21 Willie Parker ran six yards to the 15. Why didn't the Chargers let him score, they are looking at a chip shot field goal to lose 11-10. If he scores they have 1:45 or so the ball and a chance to go down the field, even if Parker tries to stop on the one the defense can carry him into the end zone, it would be funny but not as I know illegal
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:06 pm
by ToLiveIsToFly
Definitely not illegal, there are precedents. Last year, someone in the opposite situation broke free and intentionally went down on the one yard line rather than scoring.
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:15 pm
by silverscreenselect
macrae1234 wrote:At the 2 minute warning Pittsburgh was first and ten at the San Diego 21 Willie Parker ran six yards to the 15. Why didn't the Chargers let him score, they are looking at a chip shot field goal to lose 11-10. If he scores they have 1:45 or so the ball and a chance to go down the field, even if Parker tries to stop on the one the defense can carry him into the end zone, it would be funny but not as I know illegal
A chip shot field goal in those weather conditions is not a chip shot field goal. Pittsburgh could have fumbled or botched the field goal attempt or had it blocked, the chances of which were probably better than San Diego going 80 yards for a TD in less than two minutes.
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:27 pm
by ne1410s
The word on the street is that 41 million dollars rode on the game result. Whatever.
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:30 pm
by macrae1234
A chip shot field goal in those weather conditions is not a chip shot field goal. Pittsburgh could have fumbled or botched the field goal attempt or had it blocked, the chances of which were probably better than San Diego going 80 yards for a TD in less than two minutes.
Yes but he did make it and the player who stopped on the one was Brian Westbrook of the Eagles who later said tackle John Runyan told him to do that.
It is like pulling the goaltender in hockey it often loses but you really have nothing to lose
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:31 pm
by macrae1234
The word on the street is that 41 million dollars rode on the game result. Whatever
To be sporting Polamalu should have taken a knee
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:43 pm
by lilclyde54
It wasn't nearly the $41 million that Las Vegas had riding on things but that Pittsburg game changed the finish of our football pool for our third 4 week session. If Pitt had gotten the touchdown the Point Spread Professors of our pool would have finished first for the session. Since they didn't, the Big Gator finished first. The difference in first place and second place for a four week session is 4% of the total prize pool. (7% for first vs 3 % for second). Since one percent of our pool is usually somewhere between $50 and $60, that play cost the Point Spread Professors between $200 and $300. I am sure PSP was

while The Big Gator was

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Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:56 pm
by silverscreenselect
The NFL may change its replay rules before the playoffs to prevent this from happening again. There were three passes on the play. The first was a standard forward pass. The second was an illegal forward pass which was incorrectly ruled a backward pass on the field. Since it was caught by a San Diego player in the air, play continued. The third pass was a backward pass which hit the ground and was returned for a touchdown by Pittsburgh.
Under review, it was determined that the second pass was illegal, which should have resulted in a penalty. However, because the ball was caught by San Diego in the air, play continued. Pittsburgh should have been allowed to decline the penalty and the touchdown would stand. The replay officials in the stands understood this, but apparently the officials on the field misunderstood and thought that the third pass was the illegal forward pass. Since it hit the ground, the play would have been blown dead at that moment.
Once the on-field official left the replay booth, the current replay rules prohibit him from conferring again with the replay officials (or them conferring with him). As a result, they were not allowed to contact him and correct his misinterpretation. The NFL is probably going to change that to allow them to buzz him immediately and let him know his mistake. If that had occurred he could have corrected his mistake and still awarded PIttsburgh the TD.
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:46 pm
by Jeemie
silverscreenselect wrote:The NFL may change its replay rules before the playoffs to prevent this from happening again. There were three passes on the play. The first was a standard forward pass. The second was an illegal forward pass which was incorrectly ruled a backward pass on the field. Since it was caught by a San Diego player in the air, play continued. The third pass was a backward pass which hit the ground and was returned for a touchdown by Pittsburgh.
Under review, it was determined that the second pass was illegal, which should have resulted in a penalty. However, because the ball was caught by San Diego in the air, play continued. Pittsburgh should have been allowed to decline the penalty and the touchdown would stand. The replay officials in the stands understood this, but apparently the officials on the field misunderstood and thought that the third pass was the illegal forward pass. Since it hit the ground, the play would have been blown dead at that moment.
Once the on-field official left the replay booth, the current replay rules prohibit him from conferring again with the replay officials (or them conferring with him). As a result, they were not allowed to contact him and correct his misinterpretation. The NFL is probably going to change that to allow them to buzz him immediately and let him know his mistake. If that had occurred he could have corrected his mistake and still awarded PIttsburgh the TD.
I still don't think the second pass (Tomlinson's lateral to Chambers was illegal.
Looks like he released it at the 26 and Chambers caught it at the 26.
I think the official got confused because Chambers' foot was at ~the 26 and a half.
But, as we learned with the Music City Miracle, the position of the player doesn't matter- it's the position of the ball that matters.
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:26 am
by peacock2121
Football Baby Boy is da bomb.
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:34 am
by BigDrawMan
Jeemie wrote:silverscreenselect wrote:The NFL may change its replay rules before the playoffs to prevent this from happening again. There were three passes on the play. The first was a standard forward pass. The second was an illegal forward pass which was incorrectly ruled a backward pass on the field. Since it was caught by a San Diego player in the air, play continued. The third pass was a backward pass which hit the ground and was returned for a touchdown by Pittsburgh.
Under review, it was determined that the second pass was illegal, which should have resulted in a penalty. However, because the ball was caught by San Diego in the air, play continued. Pittsburgh should have been allowed to decline the penalty and the touchdown would stand. The replay officials in the stands understood this, but apparently the officials on the field misunderstood and thought that the third pass was the illegal forward pass. Since it hit the ground, the play would have been blown dead at that moment.
Once the on-field official left the replay booth, the current replay rules prohibit him from conferring again with the replay officials (or them conferring with him). As a result, they were not allowed to contact him and correct his misinterpretation. The NFL is probably going to change that to allow them to buzz him immediately and let him know his mistake. If that had occurred he could have corrected his mistake and still awarded PIttsburgh the TD.
I still don't think the second pass (Tomlinson's lateral to Chambers was illegal.
Looks like he released it at the 26 and Chambers caught it at the 26.
I think the official got confused because Chambers' foot was at ~the 26 and a half.
But, as we learned with the Music City Miracle, the position of the player doesn't matter- it's the position of the ball that matters.
to be over the line of scrimmage on a forward pass, the passers entire body must be over the line.
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:34 am
by peacock2121
Football Baby Boy is awesome.
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:44 am
by Referee Phil Luckett
Jeemie wrote:But, as we learned with the Music City Miracle, the position of the player doesn't matter- it's the position of the ball that matters.
Thank you for clearing that up! I'm tired of hearing the only thing that matters is the competence of the ref....
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:45 am
by peacock2121
Football Baby Boy is the best!
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:28 am
by silverscreenselect
BigDrawMan wrote: to be over the line of scrimmage on a forward pass, the passers entire body must be over the line.
This isn't the same situation. It's illegal to have two forward passes on one play, no matter where the player is when he throws the second pass. So the question is whether the ball went forward on the second pass, in which case it was illegal and subject to a penalty. If it had been dropped, the play should have been blown dead at that moment. Since it was caught, play continues and Pittsuburgh has the option at the end of the play to decide to accept or decline the penalty.
Re: The end of the Steelers Chargers game
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:39 am
by DadofTwins
Jeemie wrote:
I still don't think the second pass (Tomlinson's lateral to Chambers was illegal.
Looks like he released it at the 26 and Chambers caught it at the 26.
I think the official got confused because Chambers' foot was at ~the 26 and a half.
But, as we learned with the Music City Miracle, the position of the player doesn't matter- it's the position of the ball that matters.
As we learned in the music City Miracle, it's not the position of the player or the position of the ball that matters; it's the position of the side judge trying to make the call from 3 yards behind the play.