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I want to see the tape of Obama...

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:49 pm
by flockofseagulls104
That the LA Times is withholding. Why are they hiding it?

Re: I want to see the tape of Obama...

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:30 am
by NellyLunatic1980
flockofseagulls104 wrote:That the LA Times is withholding. Why are they hiding it?
Because they won't be able to present it because it doesn't exist. And once the media discover that the "L.A. Times" fabricated the story of some incriminating tape just to scare voters, then the "L.A. Times" will lose all credibility.

Re: I want to see the tape of Obama...

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:35 am
by Jeemie
NellyLunatic1980 wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:That the LA Times is withholding. Why are they hiding it?
Because they won't be able to present it because it doesn't exist. And once the media discover that the "L.A. Times" fabricated the story of some incriminating tape just to scare voters, then the "L.A. Times" will lose all credibility.
Yes- because everyone knows the LA Times is a right-wing scandal sheet.

:roll:

I can never figure you out Nelly. Do you truly believe even half the stuff you post?

Re: I want to see the tape of Obama...

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:17 am
by BackInTex
Jeemie wrote:
NellyLunatic1980 wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:That the LA Times is withholding. Why are they hiding it?
Because they won't be able to present it because it doesn't exist. And once the media discover that the "L.A. Times" fabricated the story of some incriminating tape just to scare voters, then the "L.A. Times" will lose all credibility.
Yes- because everyone knows the LA Times is a right-wing scandal sheet.

:roll:

I can never figure you out Nelly. Do you truly believe even half the stuff you post?
No, he just hopes we do.

Re: I want to see the tape of Obama...

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:04 am
by mellytu74
Maybe it's because McCain funded the group.

http://www.iri.org/newsarchive/2007/200 ... McCain.asp

Quote from Politico's story on it.
In regards to Khalidi, however, the guilt-by-association game burns John McCain as well.

During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.

A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS" on page 14 of this PDF.)

The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi's group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of "sociopolitical attitudes."

Of course, there's seemingly nothing objectionable with McCain's organization helping a Palestinian group conduct research in the West Bank or Gaza. But it does suggest that McCain could have some of his own explaining to do as he tries to make hay out of Khalidi's ties to Obama.
Maybe everything the LA Times has WAS IN THE STORY -- which was printed six months ago.

Re: I want to see the tape of Obama...

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:49 am
by nitrah55
According to the NYTimes, the tape was given to the LA Times by an anonymous source on the condition that it not be released. My generous assumption is that the contents of the tape could tip someone off as to who passed it to the Times.

In any event, McCain is taking a chance here, as melly points out.

Re: I want to see the tape of Obama...

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:08 pm
by Jeemie
Upon further review, McCain has to spin away from this one.

Because Obama may have toasted Khalidi, but McCain, as chairman of the International Republican Institute, gave Khalidi's organization almost 500 G's!!!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... i-gam.html

Now they're reduced to wanting the tape because "it's not the connection, but that there might have been some anti-Semitic remarks, and we want to see how Obama responded to them".

Ouch!!!

Who the hell is running McCain's campaign? The Three Stooges?!?!?!?!?!?

Re: I want to see the tape of Obama...

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:49 pm
by ToLiveIsToFly
Eric Zorn, the Tribune columnist/blogger who everyone was quoting the other day about his "8 Reasons Obama Could Lose" piece (and here I thought I was the only person who read his blog), has this to say about the tape. Money quotes:
"The Times keeps its promises to sources."

Now, if anyone can find an example of the Times breaking a promise to a source, then I'll listen to the whining and bleating that their actions here are somehow motivated by partisanship. Or if you can explain why this situation mirrors the sort of life-and-death situation in which news organizations do and should break promises to sources, I might change my mind.

The Times' account doesn't explain why the source demanded the tape not be aired. Perhaps the angle from which the video was shot would have identified him in some way to those who were in attendance, and he didn't want to reveal his cooperation with the media.

Or perhaps he worried that if some partisan hacks got ahold of the raw video they'd cherrypick quotes from it, throw ominous music behind grainy images and use it to inflame rather than enlighten.
The first irony here is that these repellent truth-twisters are accusing the newspaper of being unethical when, in fact, keeping one's promises is a hallmark of ethical behavior.

The second irony, as we read in the Tribune's Swamp, is that:
During the 1990s, while McCain served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), the group distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi... [including a 1998] $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies.
quoting Scott Horton
Khalidi has also been one of the most articulate critics of the PLO and the Palestinian Authority—calling them repeatedly on their anti-democratic tendencies and their betrayals of their own principles.....Khalidi [was never] a spokesman for the PLO, though that was reported in an erroneous column by the New York Times’s Tom Friedman in 1982....