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For the first time in a while, the John McCain I can respect showed up.

Bob78164 wrote:For the first time in a while, the John McCain I can respect showed up. Speaking about Obama, he told angry supporters at a Wisconsin rally, "I have to tell you, he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States." He was booed for this remark.

I'd like to see a lot more of this John McCain over the next 25 days. --Bob

franktangredi wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:For the first time in a while, the John McCain I can respect showed up. Speaking about Obama, he told angry supporters at a Wisconsin rally, "I have to tell you, he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States." He was booed for this remark.

I'd like to see a lot more of this John McCain over the next 25 days. --Bob

Thank God he had the guts to do this. When I read about that howling mob, it scared the bejesus out of me. The fact that there is someone here who looked upon that scene as a positive thing scared me even more.

There are actually people at McCain and Palin rallies shouting "Kill him!", "Bomb him!", and "Off with his head!" toward Obama.

Provoking the death of an American citizen. I believe this would make those certain people...

Anybody wanna take a guess at this?

Anybody?

Anybody?

DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!

John McCain and Sarah Palin are palling around with domestic terrorists.

John McCain and Sarah Palin are being supported and funded by domestic terrorists.

Hey, Hannity! Spin this!

franktangredi wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:For the first time in a while, the John McCain I can respect showed up. Speaking about Obama, he told angry supporters at a Wisconsin rally, "I have to tell you, he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States." He was booed for this remark.

I'd like to see a lot more of this John McCain over the next 25 days. --Bob

Thank God he had the guts to do this. When I read about that howling mob, it scared the bejesus out of me. The fact that there is someone here who looked upon that scene as a positive thing scared me even more.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Where did you dig up that BS?

Thursday's (U.S. Senate) debate (between Saxby Chambliss and Jim Martin) took place in front of a highly partisan crowd in the GOP stronghold of Middle Georgia.

Chambliss supporters waved "Saxby" signs and offered up a sustained "boos" when Martin mentioned Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

"Bomb Obama," one woman hollered.

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:Bill Ayers hasn't participated in a bombing since 1972. 36 years ago. But I'm not surprised that a McCain supporter would be obsessed with what happened in the past.

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Where did you dig up that BS?

For starters:

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/101 ... 7649.shtml

Thursday's (U.S. Senate) debate (between Saxby Chambliss and Jim Martin) took place in front of a highly partisan crowd in the GOP stronghold of Middle Georgia.

Chambliss supporters waved "Saxby" signs and offered up a sustained "boos" when Martin mentioned Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

"Bomb Obama," one woman hollered.

Do your research before you come on here and call it BS.

The extreme right-wing kooks of the Republican Party are destroying America through their rabid McCarthyism and incitements of domestic terrorism and people like you either ignore, encourage, or justify their actions. You've done enough. Have you no sense of deceny, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?

Sen. Obama was 8 years old when Bill Ayers first committed those heinous acts. Maybe it would've made you feel better if Obama would've pedaled his bike from Hawaii to Arlington fast enough to stop the Weathermen from bombing the Pentagon. Of course, there are a couple of little facts that the MSM and the right-wingers conveniently leave out about the Weathermen: 1) Nobody died in any of their bombings. Caused several thousands of dollars in damages, but caused no deaths. 2) None of the Weathermen was ever convicted. By 1977, all charges against them--including Ayers--were dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct. The extreme right-wing kooks are out to kill one American who used to have an association with a man who killed zero Americans.

Bill Ayers hasn't participated in a bombing since 1972. 36 years ago. But I'm not surprised that a McCain supporter would be obsessed with what happened in the past. In his own mind, McCain still thinks that it's 1969.

And speaking of unrepentant domestic terrorists of the past, let's ask Mr. McCain about his friends G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North. "Mr. Liddy, are you sorry that you taught your cronies to aim for the head when shooting government officials?" "Mr. North, are you sorry that you sold our weapons to Iran?" "One more thing, Mr. North: Could you please tell us about the strawberries?"

OK, I better stop here before I blow an artery or completely lose what sanity I have left.

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:
Do your research before you come on here and call it BS.

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Of course, there are a couple of little facts that the MSM and the right-wingers conveniently leave out about the Weathermen: 1) Nobody died in any of their bombings. Caused several thousands of dollars in damages, but caused no deaths. 2) None of the Weathermen was ever convicted.

silvercamaro wrote:

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:
Do your research before you come on here and call it BS.

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Of course, there are a couple of little facts that the MSM and the right-wingers conveniently leave out about the Weathermen: 1) Nobody died in any of their bombings. Caused several thousands of dollars in damages, but caused no deaths. 2) None of the Weathermen was ever convicted.

You are incorrect on both points. Do your own research. Without including bombings for which no charges were filed or assorted aborted bombing plots, a number of people died, including three Weathermen members in 1970 and two police officers in 1981. Three people associated with the Weathermen, Kathy Boudin, Judith Alice Clark, and David Gilbert, were convicted and imprisoned for their roles in the robbery that led to the deaths of the officers. Mark Rudd turned himself in to authorities in 1978, and Ayres and Bernadine Dohrn did the same in 1980 when the government was offering "amnesty" and prosecutors made plea deals. Charges against Ayres were dropped, but Rudd and Dohrn pleaded guilty to reduced charges. [Non-documentable opinion of my own: All of Ayres' rantings against "white privilege" never stopped him from using his rich daddy's money for his own benefit.]

According to one contemporary historian, ""The only reason they [the Weathermen] were not guilty of mass murder is mere incompetence."

If you wish to believe that all of the surviving former Weathermen have become wonderful people in the intervening years, that speaks to your faith in redemption. I would not try to counter such a magnificent belief.

silvercamaro wrote:

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:
Do your research before you come on here and call it BS.

<snip>

Of course, there are a couple of little facts that the MSM and the right-wingers conveniently leave out about the Weathermen: 1) Nobody died in any of their bombings. Caused several thousands of dollars in damages, but caused no deaths. 2) None of the Weathermen was ever convicted.

You are incorrect on both points. Do your own research. Without including bombings for which no charges were filed or assorted aborted bombing plots, a number of people died, including three Weathermen members in 1970 and two police officers in 1981. Three people associated with the Weathermen, Kathy Boudin, Judith Alice Clark, and David Gilbert, were convicted and imprisoned for their roles in the robbery that led to the deaths of the officers. Mark Rudd turned himself in to authorities in 1978, and Ayres and Bernadine Dohrn did the same in 1980 when the government was offering "amnesty" and prosecutors made plea deals. Charges against Ayres were dropped, but Rudd and Dohrn pleaded guilty to reduced charges. [Non-documentable opinion of my own: All of Ayres' rantings against "white privilege" never stopped him from using his rich daddy's money for his own benefit.]

According to one contemporary historian, ""The only reason they [the Weathermen] were not guilty of mass murder is mere incompetence."

If you wish to believe that all of the surviving former Weathermen have become wonderful people in the intervening years, that speaks to your faith in redemption. I would not try to counter such a magnificent belief.

Bob Juch wrote:
Why do you insist on distorting the facts?

The three supposed Weathermen blew themselves up while making a bomb.

The three people you claim were "associated" with the Weathermen committed their crime after Ayres had turned himself in. The Weathermen did not exist at that time.

danielh41 wrote:

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:Bill Ayers hasn't participated in a bombing since 1972. 36 years ago. But I'm not surprised that a McCain supporter would be obsessed with what happened in the past.

And he was quoted as recently as 2001 that he wished he had committed more bombings. He has never apologized for or spoken against his own past actions. I certainly wouldn't have any kind of association with him. That Barack Obama has extensive ties to him says miles about Obama.

But in a New York Times article on the book, Ayers is quoted as saying, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." Coincidently, that article was published on Sept. 11, 2001. Days later, Ayers complained on his Web site that the quote was taken out of context, saying, "My memoir is from start to finish a condemnation of terrorism, of the indiscriminate murder of human beings, whether driven by fanaticism or official policy."

Regardless of his background, it was never a problem for anyone — including Republicans and Chicago's most powerful business leaders — to work with Ayers on Chicago's public schools. In fact, Ayers is widely respected in the field of urban education.

"It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier," said former Illinois state Republican Rep. Diana Nelson, who worked with both Obama and Ayers over the years. "It's ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."

Nelson says her fellow Republicans "might snort when they hear the name Bill Ayers, because they know he comes from a wealthy family, they know he became a radical activist early in his life ... but beyond just snorting, I don't think anyone gives it another thought."

"I don't remember ever hearing anyone raise concerns or questions or concerns about [Ayers'] background," says Anne Hallett, who has worked closely with Ayers on the Annenberg Challenge grant and with Obama on education and other community and legislative matters. "And that included everybody I was engaged with," including prominent Republicans, and corporate and civic leaders in Chicago, Hallett adds.

Hallett calls this attack on Obama's association with Ayers and the Annenberg Challenge by further association, "a smear campaign. It's a political diatribe that has no basis in fact. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was an extremely positive initiative. It was well-vetted, thorough, and the fact that it is now is being used for political purposes is, in my opinion, outrageous."

NellyLunatic1980 wrote: There are actually people at McCain and Palin rallies shouting "Kill him!", "Bomb him!", and "Off with his head!" toward Obama.

Provoking the death of an American citizen. I believe this would make those certain people...

Anybody wanna take a guess at this?

Anybody?

Anybody?

DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!

John McCain and Sarah Palin are palling around with domestic terrorists.

John McCain and Sarah Palin are being supported and funded by domestic terrorists.

Hey, Hannity! Spin this!

danielh41 wrote:Apparently, the reports about the crowds at McCain/Palin rallies have been greatly exaggerated... http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakin ... nded_.html

Spoiler

NellyLunatic1980 wrote: There are actually people at McCain and Palin rallies shouting "Kill him!", "Bomb him!", and "Off with his head!" toward Obama.

DadofTwins wrote:The point of a general election is not to pick the President. That's what the primaries are for.

The purpose of the general election is to choose who you want to be Assistant Deputy Undersecretary of Transportation. Or, more correctly, you choose which party's bench he or she comes from. In the primary you vote for a person; in the general election you vote for a party.

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not so
I may have voted for McCain for prez in 2000, but I wouldnt have voted for W for anything other than cat catcher.


I have no problem with John McCain personally, and would probably vote for him were it not for the fact that he would be filling out his administration from the same bench that George W. Bush has tapped into for the last eight years. We've all seen where that has gotten us.

I am more optimistic about the depth and quality of the Democratic Party's bench, but I have several significant ideological differences with Barack Obama himself, many of which are no doubt shared by the folks he would put in administrative positions.
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like who?

when he was elected president of the harvard law review he disappointed the lefties with his choices to fill out the board.

This is why, to me, associations matter. Presidents tend to surround themselves with people they know and with whom they are comfortable. And it is the people surrounding the President moreso than the President himself who do the significant governing.

As for me, I'm still undecided, but watching closely.