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I found someone that I can comfortably vote for

#1 Post by Sir_Galahad » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:29 pm

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke

Perhaps the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about...

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#2 Post by danielh41 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:55 pm

Sir_Galahad wrote:I like his ideas

http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/
I listened to his radio show a few times back when it was still on here in the Dallas area. I never liked him as much as Rush or Hannity.

I am seriously thinking about voting for Alan Keyes (http://www.americasrevival.com/). I've read his party platform, listened to his speeches and read some of his writings, and I have to say that his views are spot on with mine, especially in regards to the moral crisis in this country. I absolutely love his views on the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, especially how it relates to the abortion issue.

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#3 Post by Sir_Galahad » Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:26 pm

Actually, I think he is just a little too far to right for my tastes. I was also planning on voting for Keyes. But,
I saw that the Constitution party he was affiliated with selected another candidate to represent them (Chuck Baldwin).
Perhaps Keyes is running as an Independent. I wish they would permit him to participate in the debates. I think he
would show McCain what being a conservative really means.

I am a voter in search of a candidate. I would only vote for McCain to keep Obama out of the White House.

McCain has had golden opportunities to put Obama away yet he continues to wuss out. Did you hear the shouts at
his Town Hall meetings? People want him to get as angry as they are. Yet he doesn't. It really makes me question
whether he actually to wants to be president.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke

Perhaps the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about...

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#4 Post by danielh41 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:33 pm

Sir_Galahad wrote:Actually, I think he is just a little too far to right for my tastes. I was also planning on voting for Keyes. But,
I saw that the Constitution party he was affiliated with selected another candidate to represent them (Chuck Baldwin).
Perhaps Keyes is running as an Independent. I wish they would permit him to participate in the debates. I think he
would show McCain what being a conservative really means.

I am a voter in search of a candidate. I would only vote for McCain to keep Obama out of the White House.

McCain has had golden opportunities to put Obama away yet he continues to wuss out. Did you hear the shouts at
his Town Hall meetings? People want him to get as angry as they are. Yet he doesn't. It really makes me question
whether he actually to wants to be president.
Actually, Alan is running under a new political party called America's Independent Party. I got onto a conference call last night and talked with a bunch of the party organizers including Alan himself. The AIP web site is still very much a work in progress, but they do have a site at www.aipnews.com. You should be able to find the party platform there.

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#5 Post by PlacentiaSoccerMom » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:17 pm

I found somebody that I can vote for too.

Jeremy Yamaguchi for Placentia City Council. He volunteered to do the sound for Maddie's middle school production of Grease and he made sure that she got a good mike.

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#6 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:35 pm

Sir_Galahad wrote:I like his ideas

http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/
He got one thing right:
The economic situation has virtually ended John McCain's presidential aspirations and no amount of tactical maneuvering in the final 29 days is likely to change that equation
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#7 Post by danielh41 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:25 pm

Here's a powerful speech that Alan Keyes gave at a Republican debate in 1995 when the removal of the prolife plank of the party platform was being discussed. This will just give you a little insight into Alan's views on the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution...
I realized, as I was listening to the speakers who came before me, that I come at an important juncture in this program. Because I think that the great alternatives have been laid before you tonight. And we as Republicans are going to have to decide again, as we had to decide in the past, whether we shall only speak of justice and speak of principle, or whether we shall stand and fight for them! Whether we shall quote from the words of the Declaration of Independence with real conviction, or whether we shall take that document and throw it on the ash heap of history as we adopt the message of those who say that we can stand silent in the face of injustice!

When it comes to deciding whether we shall stand by the great principle that declares that all human beings are created equal, and endowed by their Creator with the right to life, there is no choice for silence!

There is no choice for silence!!

And I can tell you right now that those who are recommending that we pull the pro-life plank out of the Republican Party platform are recommending, as some people decided in the Whig Party in the years before the Civil War, that they would be silent on the great issue of principle that faced this nation--we shall be silent.

And you see what happened to the Whigs.

The Republican Party grew up as a party aimed at dealing with that moral irresponsibility, standing on the principle that Lincoln articulated, that you cannot have the right to do what is wrong.

And I'll tell you, we have heard a lot of people tonight. They talk about the money, and they talk about the budget. But you and I both know, if we're willing to look ourselves in the eye, what the truth is. Why is it that we spend so much money on welfare and illegitimacy? Why is it that we spend so much money on crime and violence in our streets? Why is it even that we spend so much money dealing with the problems of irresponsible behavior that contributes to the decline of the health of this nation? I think you all know in your hearts what the real answer is.

We don't have money problems. We have moral problems. And it's time we stood up and faced that truth!

And I don't know how we're going to face that truth, if, as was suggested here today, we can look our daughters in the eye and tell them that it is somehow consistent with freedom for them to trample on the human rights of their unborn offspring. We're going to have to find the courage one of these days to tell people that freedom is not an easy discipline. Freedom is not a choice for those who are lazy in their heart and in their respect for their own moral capacities.

Freedom requires that, at the end of the day, you accept the constraint that is required, the respect for the laws of nature and nature's God that say unequivocally that your daughters do not have the right to do what is wrong, that our sons do not have the right to do what is wrong. They do not have the right to steal bread from the mouths of the innocent; they do not have the right to steal life from the womb of the unborn.

And I'll tell you, some people may say that if we stand up and we speak out and we fight for that principle, we'll be dividing the Republican Party. But I don't think so. This Party was born on a clear commitment to principle. This party was born of those who had the courage to stand before the American people and, in the face of the threat of a greater division than we'll ever face, insist that we had to respect the principles that make us great, the principles that make us strong, the principles that make us free. And I'll tell you, we're going to have to do it again.

Look at what's happening in the streets of our cities. Look at what's happening to our families today. Do you think that the decline of marriage and the moral dissolution of the family is a money problem? Or do you think it's a problem that comes from putting the self first, from deciding that there are no obligations that have to be respected, and at the end of the day freedom is just another kind of empty licentiousness?

We know better, and our Founders knew better, and it's time that we get back to the truth.

They did not tell us that freedom would be an easy road. They offered us a true vision of the future of America. It was not a vision of licentious freedom and stupid self-indulgence. It was a vision of freedom based upon the fear of God and the respect for law.

And why is it that out of the mouths of all our statesmen we hear all these great emotional words, but they won't speak the simple truths that our Founders--from Washington through Jefferson, to Lincoln and every President--spoke, until we got to our own cowardly times?

We are not going to remain a free people if we insist on being a corrupt and licentious people.

We are not going to remain a free people if we arrogate to ourselves the right to destroy the rights of others. And that's exactly what we are doing when we embrace the so-called "pro-choice," the truly pro-abortion agenda.

My friends, I think it's empty to praise the courage of the men and women who have died in the service of this country's freedom and its principles, and yet decide that we shall lack the courage to stand up for those principles, many or few, or even alone if we must. Because that is, in fact, the courage that built America.

This nation was not, as some would have us believe, a dream of material progress and prosperity, and great cities and mountains of money. It was not.

I'm glad that we have achieved that prosperity, even though it came at much expense to some of my forebears. But I'll tell you something--those who toiled in the depths of slavery, they had an understanding of the real dream of American freedom.

It's the dream of moral dignity that comes from respecting our true moral capacity.

It's the dream of self-government that comes from respecting the fact that, in the end, freedom is not just a choice, it is not just an opportunity. It can be a burden and a sacrifice and an obligation. And, above all, it is the obligation to respect the truth of our moral identity.

That moral identity can unite us across every line of race and color and creed, so long as we have the courage to stand for it.

And I think you know by now, looking at the Clinton Administration, that if we as Republicans abandon that line of principle, it will surely be abandoned in America.

But I can also tell you this in warning, that if you abandon that line of principle, there are Americans who will fight--few or many, alone if we must--to make sure that it prevails.

And at every point in our history, when we had the choice between right and wrong, in the end this country chose what was right--and we can be grateful for it. And I think we shall do it again, because we know that the real heroes in America are those who, in their families and in their daily lives, respect the truth that we must meet the obligations and sacrifices of freedom before we claim its privileges and benefits.

And that that means, as well, that come what may, even if it means that we must sacrifice in our personal lives, we have to stand where our Founders stood, on the belief that you cannot have the right to do what is wrong, but that if we build self-government on a true adherence to the principles of justice, then we shall hold up a beacon of right and hope for all of humankind to understand the true destiny of mankind.

Thank you.

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#8 Post by ToLiveIsToFly » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:40 pm

danielh41 wrote:
Sir_Galahad wrote:America's Independent Party
Isn't that an oxymoron?

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#9 Post by danielh41 » Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:16 am

ToLiveIsToFly wrote:
danielh41 wrote:
Sir_Galahad wrote:America's Independent Party
Isn't that an oxymoron?
I'm not crazy about the party name, but I love the platform and what the party stands for.

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