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E Rack

not Eye Rack


On that alone, she is too much like Bush and must be silenced!

And nu-clear, not nu, cu lar.

And Ih-Rahn, not a Flock of Seagulls song.

I just can't stand it.

Nu-cu-lar bugs me.

Iran and Iraq are pronounced those ways by a pretty large number of people. It's not a sign of anything.

It's gonna be hard for peeps to blast either side for anything here. And if you do, well...

a1mamacat wrote:E Rack

not Eye Rack


On that alone, she is too much like Bush and must be silenced!

Sauce, a lot of people, probably some Canadians, too, pronounce it Eye rack.

It actually is ih rahck, with a short i. If you're going to get all linguistic about it western hemispherically.

I have chuckled a few times at each of them.

With no excuses for syllabic weirdnesses, like nucular, etc. we, as English speaking peeps either pronounce things totally incorrectly or over-pronounce them in inappropriate situations. We live in an area with a large Hispanic population and while I appreciate the correct Spanish pronunciation of something (since I studied Spanish and French and all for years) there ARE anglo pronunciations that are right for here.

I guarantee you that the Academie Francaise is not worried about whether something is pronounced according to the homeland's language. You WILL pronounce it Francaisely.

I think we say it more like ah-rack. No eye or E in it anywhere.....

As Americans, as long as we say it often enough and LOUD enough it's correct.

Isn't it?

jaybee wrote:As Americans, as long as we say it often enough and LOUD enough it's correct.

Isn't it?

Possibly, I guess it depends, no?

jaybee wrote:As Americans, as long as we say it often enough and LOUD enough it's correct.

Isn't it?

Doesn't even have to be loud, just often.

One of the reasons English speakers have a terrible time learning Navajo is because the pronunciation has to be exactly right. Here in the U.S., we'll take just about anything if it sounds vaguely like English. I'm not criticizing, and I sure don't mind -- just saying that's the way it is.

You should be from my home town....Louisville!

I think people from Missouri would say the same thing.

Mind you, you Yankees have nowhere near the language challenge we have, trying to understand Newfie.

Of course, after a shot or two of Screech (not three, that would kill you), they speak extremely well LOL

SportsFan68 wrote:

jaybee wrote:As Americans, as long as we say it often enough and LOUD enough it's correct.

Isn't it?

Doesn't even have to be loud, just often.

One of the reasons English speakers have a terrible time learning Navajo is because the pronunciation has to be exactly right. Here in the U.S., we'll take just about anything if it sounds vaguely like English. I'm not criticizing, and I sure don't mind -- just saying that's the way it is.

i guess what I was trying to say earlier is that pretty much any other country doesn't accommodate our pronunciation of stuff, even if it's an anglicism, integrated within the local language, with any graciousness, so if we pronounce whatever non-anglicisms with poor ability, who cares? Languages incorporate stuff to survive.

My point being, linguistically it's all fluid and he who prevails rules the pronunciation. Again, the French are a good example. They don't put up with anything "wrong".

But, they're French.

Okay, I have not read anything but your first post.

I have tried hard to teach my children that the President does NOT say the name correctly.

It makes our 'leaders' sound so ignorant.

OMG!

christie1111 wrote:Okay, I have not read anything but your first post.

I have tried hard to teach my children that the President does NOT say the name correctly.

It makes our 'leaders' sound so ignorant.

OMG!

But, you know what? I know people, who are VERY intelligent, who use "ain't" and use "nucular" and use "insert word here" who I'd trust with my life and limb, and, who, surprisingly have college degrees, and who can't spell their way out of a paper bag, but who have businesses that dwarf what you do, or community efforts that dwarf what you do, and by "you", I mean the collective "you", that make these comments fizzle in importance.

So, gameshow wizards, bless your hearts.

a1mamacat wrote:E Rack

not Eye Rack


On that alone, she is too much like Bush and must be silenced!

Actually, I think Bush pronounces it as

"East Texas"

Beebs52 wrote:

christie1111 wrote:Okay, I have not read anything but your first post.

I have tried hard to teach my children that the President does NOT say the name correctly.

It makes our 'leaders' sound so ignorant.

OMG!

But, you know what? I know people, who are VERY intelligent, who use "ain't" and use "nucular" and use "insert word here" who I'd trust with my life and limb, and, who, surprisingly have college degrees, and who can't spell their way out of a paper bag, but who have businesses that dwarf what you do, or community efforts that dwarf what you do, and by "you", I mean the collective "you", that make these comments fizzle in importance.

So, gameshow wizards, bless your hearts.

I can not say I am perfect, far from it, but I take an effort to learn the correct pronounciation of those I deal with, both name, country and common greetings, if I can. And I am currently dealing with people on 4 continents as part of my job.

I use ignorant as a term for people who do not know, or in the case of people who should, do not care to learn, what they should.

JMHO.

And this crosses more than political lines.

Spock wrote:

a1mamacat wrote:E Rack

not Eye Rack


On that alone, she is too much like Bush and must be silenced!

Actually, I think Bush pronounces it as

"East Texas"

SNORT

christie1111 wrote:

Beebs52 wrote:

christie1111 wrote:Okay, I have not read anything but your first post.

I have tried hard to teach my children that the President does NOT say the name correctly.

It makes our 'leaders' sound so ignorant.

OMG!

But, you know what? I know people, who are VERY intelligent, who use "ain't" and use "nucular" and use "insert word here" who I'd trust with my life and limb, and, who, surprisingly have college degrees, and who can't spell their way out of a paper bag, but who have businesses that dwarf what you do, or community efforts that dwarf what you do, and by "you", I mean the collective "you", that make these comments fizzle in importance.

So, gameshow wizards, bless your hearts.

I can not say I am perfect, far from it, but I take an effort to learn the correct pronounciation of those I deal with, both name, country and common greetings, if I can. And I am currently dealing with people on 4 continents as part of my job.

I use ignorant as a term for people who do not know, or in the case of people who should, do not care to learn, what they should.

JMHO.

And this crosses more than political lines.

I agree with you totally. There are some things that are not in the realm of even worrying about, is what I'm saying.

I can't get into chat, so I'd be talking about it there if I could.

There are people of other countries who don't attempt pronunciation to accommodate US as well, in our daily dealings. And, like it or not, English IS the language of business and diplomacy now, as opposed to French way back when. I wish I'd studied Chinese or Japanese in college, but I didn't. Again, it's who is in power, and who governs the lingua franca.

mrkelley23 wrote:And nu-clear, not nu, cu lar.

And Ih-Rahn, not a Flock of Seagulls song.

I just can't stand it.

Hey, leave me outta this

A case in point is our Prime Minister, Stephen Harper. He has always been called Stephen by everyone - that's his right. Bush called him Steve. It was a total insult to our country that Bush's advance men didn't even bother with so small a detail. It said volumes about how we're viewed by the U.S. I'm not a Harper fan and will not vote for him but I felt the office of Prime Minister of Canada deserved better.

One of my students last year from Iran pronounced it

ee-rrron

the ee is long (but quick), the r is rolled a smidgen, and the ending is like Ron rather than ran

I presume Iraq has the same approximate arrangement. I will ask Saturday in class.

But lots of folks say eye-rack and eye-ran, and plenty of other things.

A bunch of liquistic snobs here.

If you want to talk mispronunciation lets start with the Kennedy's, or anyone from Boston, Brooklyn, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Alabama, Georgia, East Texas (and I'm not talking about Iraq), Louisiana, or Canada.

Geesh. Focus on what people say, what they mean. If you think their enunciation or pronunciation makes them sound ignorant, go look in a mirror.

I was going to comment on this, too. Should she come to my area, I will attend and hold up a sign:

Repeat after me.
Noo-clee-us.
Noo-clee-ahr.

It was claimed by W's apologists that it was a suthrun thing (see also James Earl Carter). What do they offer for Palin?