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I couldn't have said it better myself (political)

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:16 am
by Bob78164
Governor Palin during her interview with Katie Couric: "[I]t's so clear, again, what those choices are. Either new ideas, new energy and reform of Washington, DC, or more of the same."

A little more long-winded than "Change We Can Believe In" but not far off the mark. --Bob

Re: I couldn't have said it better myself (political)

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:21 am
by silverscreenselect
Bob78164 wrote:Governor Palin during her interview with Katie Couric: "t's so clear, again, what those choices are. Either new ideas, new energy and reform of Washington, DC, or more of the same."

A little more long-winded than "Change We Can Believe In" but not far off the mark. --Bob


While Obama may well bring new energy to Washington, I've yet to see any evidence from him of new ideas (other than "change") or reform.

Re: I couldn't have said it better myself (political)

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:29 am
by BackInTex
Bob78164 wrote:Governor Palin during her interview with Katie Couric: "t's so clear, again, what those choices are. Either new ideas, new energy and reform of Washington, DC, or more of the same."

A little more long-winded than "Change We Can Believe In" but not far off the mark. --Bob


I think it it the 'believe' part that SSS has a problem with.

To me it is simply the type of change.

Re: I couldn't have said it better myself (political)

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:33 pm
by silverscreenselect
BackInTex wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:Governor Palin during her interview with Katie Couric: "t's so clear, again, what those choices are. Either new ideas, new energy and reform of Washington, DC, or more of the same."

A little more long-winded than "Change We Can Believe In" but not far off the mark. --Bob


I think it it the 'believe' part that SSS has a problem with.

To me it is simply the type of change.


I have two somewhat separate problems with Obama. First, I don't believe his stated positions (and by this I mean the positions that liberals fasten upon, since at one time or another he has stated virtually every position under the sun) or that, because he is the Democratic nominee for President, he "obviously" believes (and will support) the positions that most Democrats do.

Second, I don't think he has the integrity or judgment to be President, and I especially don't like the way he tends to stall on major issues (including, most recently, the bailout) until he figures out which is the politically safest position for him to take. You can't deal with the bailout that way. You can't deal with the Koreans or the Iranians that way. You can't deal with a possible terrorist threat that way.

Even if I were 100% convinced that Obama would be the biggest proponent of progressive political reform since FDR, I couldn't support him for President. The fact that I find him a total sham makes the decision considerably easier.

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:59 pm
by ne1410s
sss:
and I especially don't like the way he tends to stall on major issues (including, most recently, the bailout) until he figures out which is the politically safest position for him to take.
And maybe, just maybe, he thinks his way through situations and doesn't just shoot from the hip. Maybe he actually reads white papers (and newspapers for that matter) and makes informed decisions. A novel thought process, I know, but one that has been missing for the last seven and one half years.

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:10 pm
by BackInTex
ne1410s wrote:sss:
and I especially don't like the way he tends to stall on major issues (including, most recently, the bailout) until he figures out which is the politically safest position for him to take.
And maybe, just maybe, he thinks his way through situations and doesn't just shoot from the hip. Maybe he actually reads white papers (and newspapers for that matter) and makes informed decisions. A novel thought process, I know, but one that has been missing for the last seven and one half years.
Correction. 15 1/2 years

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:15 pm
by sunflower
ne1410s wrote:sss:
and I especially don't like the way he tends to stall on major issues (including, most recently, the bailout) until he figures out which is the politically safest position for him to take.
And maybe, just maybe, he thinks his way through situations and doesn't just shoot from the hip. Maybe he actually reads white papers (and newspapers for that matter) and makes informed decisions. A novel thought process, I know, but one that has been missing for the last seven and one half years.
I think part of being a leader is the ability to think on one's feet and take an almost immediate position on an issue. There is not always time for white papers and research.

Also, waffling should not be confused with taking time to do academic research.

I don't blame Bush for sometimes making rash or fast decisions over the last 7 1/2 years...sometimes one has to take a risk and act fast to be most effective. While I don't blame him for his method...I do blame him for being a huge idiot. Well let me correct myself...I blame America for electing a huge idiot.

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:17 pm
by Rexer25
sunflower wrote:
ne1410s wrote:sss:
and I especially don't like the way he tends to stall on major issues (including, most recently, the bailout) until he figures out which is the politically safest position for him to take.
And maybe, just maybe, he thinks his way through situations and doesn't just shoot from the hip. Maybe he actually reads white papers (and newspapers for that matter) and makes informed decisions. A novel thought process, I know, but one that has been missing for the last seven and one half years.
I think part of being a leader is the ability to think on one's feet and take an almost immediate position on an issue. There is not always time for white papers and research.

Also, waffling should not be confused with taking time to do academic research.

I don't blame Bush for sometimes making rash or fast decisions over the last 7 1/2 years...sometimes one has to take a risk and act fast to be most effective. While I don't blame him for his method...I do blame him for being a huge idiot. Well let me correct myself...I blame America for electing a huge idiot.
Sorry 'bout that...my fault.

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:18 pm
by kayrharris
It's about time you admitted that, Rexer. I was beginning to think I was going to have post it. 8)

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:44 pm
by silverscreenselect
ne1410s wrote:sss:
and I especially don't like the way he tends to stall on major issues (including, most recently, the bailout) until he figures out which is the politically safest position for him to take.
And maybe, just maybe, he thinks his way through situations and doesn't just shoot from the hip. Maybe he actually reads white papers (and newspapers for that matter) and makes informed decisions. A novel thought process, I know, but one that has been missing for the last seven and one half years.
Obama doesn't think his way through situations. He floats trial balloons (at least three I know of in the Georgia crisis), then sees how that plays in the media before changing his mind and arriving at a conclusion.

That's not thinking his way through situations, that's trying to judge which way the political winds are blowing.

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:53 pm
by dimmzy
Well, as they say up in EAGLE, ALASKA, "You can't move a mule until it's ready."

It's great to promise change, but bureaucracies and Congress don't move easily--no matter who's in power. Didn't Reagan want to dismantle Department of Education? Now we have the disaster that is No Child Left Behind putting the feds into every classroom in America.

A lot of the changes that are good for us nobody is willing to talk about. It's like dieting. Good luck to the president who tells us to diet and exercise. Instead, they promise us pills.