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silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Wed May 11, 2022 1:46 pm

Catherine Engelbrecht's deposition before the State Election Board is scheduled for May 26. She is required to produce her documents on or before that date. Let's see what happens.

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Wed May 11, 2022 7:21 pm

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ran an article a couple of days ago that SSS could have written:

What '2000 Mules' leaves out of ballot harvesting claims

https://www.ajc.com/politics/what-2000- ... WHUREQPEU/

wbtravis007 wrote: ↑

Wed May 11, 2022 7:01 pm

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Wed May 11, 2022 1:46 pm

Catherine Engelbrecht's deposition before the State Election Board is scheduled for May 26. She is required to produce her documents on or before that date. Let's see what happens.

This lady’s probably making a fortune. A cottage industry.

Kind of like the many JFK assassination theories. Always presented in a manner that many people found to be very convincing and persuasive.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed May 11, 2022 7:44 pm

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Wed May 11, 2022 7:21 pm

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ran an article a couple of days ago that SSS could have written:

What '2000 Mules' leaves out of ballot harvesting claims

https://www.ajc.com/politics/what-2000- ... WHUREQPEU/

Yes, it certainly could have. They obviously didn't watch it either.

Election investigators have reviewed several videos included in “2000 Mules” and found no illegal behavior, including a video that showed a Gwinnett County man inserting ballots into a drop box, according to the secretary of state’s office. “We investigated, and the five ballots that he turned in were all for himself and his family members,” said Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger during a debate last week.

Even if there were a ballot harvesting scheme, it wouldn’t invalidate legitimate ballots just because they were turned in by unauthorized individuals. Verified ballots of registered voters still count, regardless of how they were delivered.

True the Vote hasn’t cooperated with Georgia’s election investigations, refusing to disclose the names of people who allegedly harvested ballots. The State Election Board issued subpoenas on the organization last month to seek documents, recordings and names of individuals involved. The organization also doesn’t explain how ballot harvesting could have occurred.

Every absentee ballot is assigned to the voter who requested it, and voters can only cast one ballot each. Returned ballots must be included in an envelope that includes the voter’s registration information, signature, and a bar code. Ballots delivered without an envelope aren’t counted, meaning ballot-stuffing wouldn’t work.

While the movie blames drop boxes for enabling ballot harvesting, it ignores the fact that multiple ballots could more easily be returned through the Post Office or home mailboxes, where there isn’t video surveillance. There’s no indication of ballot harvesting in mailed ballots during the 2020 election.

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Wed May 11, 2022 8:02 pm

My money's on the latter.

Estonut wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 2:23 am

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Wed May 11, 2022 8:02 pm

My money's on the latter.

Last time you stated such a thing, you were lying. You are not willing to put your precious money where your mouth is.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed May 11, 2022 6:28 pm

And if we don't learn from the vulnerabilities that are in our election system, it WILL happen again.

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:27 am

flock, I have a question for you. Did the makers of this film make any contact with any of these alleged vote harvesters? I would think if there were hundreds of people doing this, there ought to be at least one who had a bout of conscience, didn't realize what they are doing is illegal, or just would like to make a buck who would be willing to come forward. That is one of my biggest issues with all this. Conspiracies of the scale you are talking about fall apart under the weight of people being unable to keep their mouths shut.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:50 am

What I've heard is that they have to find a local prosecutor who is BRAVE enough to tackle this. With all the harassment, doxxing and canceling going on around this issue, that prosecutor will be hard to find, don't you think? You'll have all the stalkers, bobs and BJ's of the world going after them, slandering and defaming them and protesting at their house.

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:27 am

flock, I have a question for you. Did the makers of this film make any contact with any of these alleged vote harvesters? I would think if there were hundreds of people doing this, there ought to be at least one who had a bout of conscience, didn't realize what they are doing is illegal, or just would like to make a buck who would be willing to come forward. That is one of my biggest issues with all this. Conspiracies of the scale you are talking about fall apart under the weight of people being unable to keep their mouths shut.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:50 am

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:27 am

flock, I have a question for you. Did the makers of this film make any contact with any of these alleged vote harvesters? I would think if there were hundreds of people doing this, there ought to be at least one who had a bout of conscience, didn't realize what they are doing is illegal, or just would like to make a buck who would be willing to come forward. That is one of my biggest issues with all this. Conspiracies of the scale you are talking about fall apart under the weight of people being unable to keep their mouths shut.

I don't know the legal ramifications on doing that. Can I, as a private citizen, find a person using the cell phone data, contact them and start questioning them? What I've heard is that they have to find a local prosecutor who is BRAVE enough to tackle this. With all the harassment, doxxing and canceling going on around this issue, that prosecutor will be hard to find, don't you think? You'll have all the stalkers, bobs and BJ's of the world going after them, slandering and defaming them and protesting at their house. I think that is the main reason for the MSM campaign to attack anyone who questions what they all call 'The Big Lie'. To intimidate everyone into leaving it alone.

I just heard part of a nationally broadcast interview with Catherine Englebrecht. She says they are proceeding in Arizona and now have 17 indictments in process.

Also, she verified Operation Ripcord. They are working on getting together all their data, all their surveillance videos and all their stash houses and will make this available to the general public. I did not hear the ETA for this. But she's on record, so the Stalker will get what he's whining about. But I'm sure he still will refuse to look at it and will continue his annoyance crusade.

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 10:57 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:50 am

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:27 am

flock, I have a question for you. Did the makers of this film make any contact with any of these alleged vote harvesters? I would think if there were hundreds of people doing this, there ought to be at least one who had a bout of conscience, didn't realize what they are doing is illegal, or just would like to make a buck who would be willing to come forward. That is one of my biggest issues with all this. Conspiracies of the scale you are talking about fall apart under the weight of people being unable to keep their mouths shut.

I don't know the legal ramifications on doing that. Can I, as a private citizen, find a person using the cell phone data, contact them and start questioning them? What I've heard is that they have to find a local prosecutor who is BRAVE enough to tackle this. With all the harassment, doxxing and canceling going on around this issue, that prosecutor will be hard to find, don't you think? You'll have all the stalkers, bobs and BJ's of the world going after them, slandering and defaming them and protesting at their house. I think that is the main reason for the MSM campaign to attack anyone who questions what they all call 'The Big Lie'. To intimidate everyone into leaving it alone.

I just heard part of a nationally broadcast interview with Catherine Englebrecht. She says they are proceeding in Arizona and now have 17 indictments in process.

Also, she verified Operation Ripcord. They are working on getting together all their data, all their surveillance videos and all their stash houses and will make this available to the general public. I did not hear the ETA for this. But she's on record, so the Stalker will get what he's whining about. But I'm sure he still will refuse to look at it and will continue his annoyance crusade.

True the Vote has no indictments in process because they can't. The Arizona AG has none either. Some people have been indicted for one or two voting felonies.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 8:19 pm

She said in the interview that yesterday there was a press release announcing 16 more people in addition to the 2 that had already been indicted in AZ. I could find no reference to anything like that in a search that I did.

Lawsuit seeking inspection of Fulton County absentee ballots is dismissed

A Fulton County judge has rejected former U.S. Sen. David Perdue’s request to inspect ballots from the November 2020 election, saying his evidence of voting fraud amounts to “conjecture and paranoia.” Perdue’s lawsuit claimed fraud had cost him a chance to defeat Democrat Jon Ossoff in November 2020. The two candidates advanced to a January 2021 runoff, which Ossoff won. Perdue’s lawsuit cited some of the same discredited allegations of fraud that former President Donald Trump has repeatedly said allowed Joe Biden to win the presidential election in Georgia.

On Wednesday, Superior Court Judge Robert C.I. McBurney dismissed the lawsuit and Perdue’s request for a “forensic inspection” of absentee ballots. The judge said Perdue’s claims consisted of “speculation, conjecture and paranoia — sufficient fodder for talk shows, op-ed pieces and social media platforms, but far short of what would legally justify a court taking such action.”

Perdue issued a statement criticizing the ruling. “Today’s ruling is another example of how the establishment continues to cover up what happened in 2020, and we will vigorously appeal the decision,” he said. “Courts across the country have been dismissing cases not based on evidence, but because of procedural nonsense.”

Don Samuel, an attorney who represented Fulton County in the lawsuit, said McBurney’s order, like the orders in similar lawsuits dismissed in state and federal courts, “reflect the judiciary’s virtually unanimous rejection of the merits of the lawsuits brought by the losing candidates and their adherents. “For the plaintiff to decry these lawsuits as ‘procedural nonsense’ is the surest sign that the plaintiffs do not understand the rule of law,” Samuel wrote.

McBurney declined to issue orders “that would effectively empower petitioners’ unnamed ‘forensic experts’ to intrude upon the sealed ballot materials of tens of thousands of Fulton County voters, hunt for speculative voter fraud or error, and then determine for themselves what the ‘actual’ vote count should have been in the election.” “This quixotic journey,” McBurney wrote, “will not take place.”

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 10:57 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:50 am

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:27 am

flock, I have a question for you. Did the makers of this film make any contact with any of these alleged vote harvesters? I would think if there were hundreds of people doing this, there ought to be at least one who had a bout of conscience, didn't realize what they are doing is illegal, or just would like to make a buck who would be willing to come forward. That is one of my biggest issues with all this. Conspiracies of the scale you are talking about fall apart under the weight of people being unable to keep their mouths shut.

I don't know the legal ramifications on doing that. Can I, as a private citizen, find a person using the cell phone data, contact them and start questioning them? What I've heard is that they have to find a local prosecutor who is BRAVE enough to tackle this. With all the harassment, doxxing and canceling going on around this issue, that prosecutor will be hard to find, don't you think? You'll have all the stalkers, bobs and BJ's of the world going after them, slandering and defaming them and protesting at their house. I think that is the main reason for the MSM campaign to attack anyone who questions what they all call 'The Big Lie'. To intimidate everyone into leaving it alone.

I just heard part of a nationally broadcast interview with Catherine Englebrecht. She says they are proceeding in Arizona and now have 17 indictments in process.

Also, she verified Operation Ripcord. They are working on getting together all their data, all their surveillance videos and all their stash houses and will make this available to the general public. I did not hear the ETA for this. But she's on record, so the Stalker will get what he's whining about. But I'm sure he still will refuse to look at it and will continue his annoyance crusade.

True the Vote has no indictments in process because they can't. The Arizona AG has none either. Some people have been indicted for one or two voting felonies.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri May 13, 2022 9:43 am

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 10:57 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:50 am

I don't know the legal ramifications on doing that. Can I, as a private citizen, find a person using the cell phone data, contact them and start questioning them? What I've heard is that they have to find a local prosecutor who is BRAVE enough to tackle this. With all the harassment, doxxing and canceling going on around this issue, that prosecutor will be hard to find, don't you think? You'll have all the stalkers, bobs and BJ's of the world going after them, slandering and defaming them and protesting at their house. I think that is the main reason for the MSM campaign to attack anyone who questions what they all call 'The Big Lie'. To intimidate everyone into leaving it alone.

I just heard part of a nationally broadcast interview with Catherine Englebrecht. She says they are proceeding in Arizona and now have 17 indictments in process.

Also, she verified Operation Ripcord. They are working on getting together all their data, all their surveillance videos and all their stash houses and will make this available to the general public. I did not hear the ETA for this. But she's on record, so the Stalker will get what he's whining about. But I'm sure he still will refuse to look at it and will continue his annoyance crusade.

True the Vote has no indictments in process because they can't. The Arizona AG has none either. Some people have been indicted for one or two voting felonies.

https://yumacountysheriff.org/pr-2022/P ... -Fraud.pdf

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Fri May 13, 2022 10:02 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri May 13, 2022 9:43 am

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 10:57 am

True the Vote has no indictments in process because they can't. The Arizona AG has none either. Some people have been indicted for one or two voting felonies.

https://yumacountysheriff.org/pr-2022/P ... -Fraud.pdf

There is a major difference between ongoing investigations and Indictments. This press release mentions only the former and nothing about the latter.

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Fri May 13, 2022 10:02 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri May 13, 2022 9:43 am

https://yumacountysheriff.org/pr-2022/P ... -Fraud.pdf

There is a major difference between ongoing investigations and Indictments. This press release mentions only the former and nothing about the latter.

The majority of voter fraud cases in Yuma County are related to duplicate voting (typically charged as illegal voting and false voter registration). Under Arizona law, illegal voting is a class 5 or class 6 felony.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri May 13, 2022 9:43 am

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 10:57 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:50 am

I don't know the legal ramifications on doing that. Can I, as a private citizen, find a person using the cell phone data, contact them and start questioning them? What I've heard is that they have to find a local prosecutor who is BRAVE enough to tackle this. With all the harassment, doxxing and canceling going on around this issue, that prosecutor will be hard to find, don't you think? You'll have all the stalkers, bobs and BJ's of the world going after them, slandering and defaming them and protesting at their house. I think that is the main reason for the MSM campaign to attack anyone who questions what they all call 'The Big Lie'. To intimidate everyone into leaving it alone.

I just heard part of a nationally broadcast interview with Catherine Englebrecht. She says they are proceeding in Arizona and now have 17 indictments in process.

Also, she verified Operation Ripcord. They are working on getting together all their data, all their surveillance videos and all their stash houses and will make this available to the general public. I did not hear the ETA for this. But she's on record, so the Stalker will get what he's whining about. But I'm sure he still will refuse to look at it and will continue his annoyance crusade.

True the Vote has no indictments in process because they can't. The Arizona AG has none either. Some people have been indicted for one or two voting felonies.

https://yumacountysheriff.org/pr-2022/P ... -Fraud.pdf

Surveillance video showed a man pull up in a white SUV and insert five absentee ballots into a Gwinnett County drop box, leading to allegations of “ballot harvesting” promoted by the movie “2000 Mules.” An investigation revealed he was delivering ballots for his family, which is allowed under Georgia law.

The State Election Board voted unanimously Tuesday to dismiss that case and two similar claims that voters had illegally returned absentee ballots. An investigator told the board that in each case, he tracked license plate numbers, interviewed voters and confirmed that ballots belonged to family members in the same household. “Just because something looks compelling doesn’t mean it’s accurate,” said Matt Mashburn, the Republican chairman of the State Election Board. “We wanted to reassure the public that yes, we have seen the videos, we are taking them very seriously, we’re tracking every one of them down, and we’ll report back to you what we find.”

The board decided the cases as “2000 Mules” spreads the theory that 2,000 people in five states, including Georgia, collected and delivered multiple absentee ballots, a practice called “ballot harvesting.” Georgia law prohibits voters from delivering anyone’s ballot besides their own, with exceptions for family members and caregivers of disabled voters. So far, Georgia election investigators have debunked the movie’s allegations, which conservative filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza used to assert that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from Republican Donald Trump. One of the videos reviewed by the State Election Board was featured in “2000 Mules” and on “Tucker Carlson Tonight” on Fox News. The other two cases involved videos reported to the secretary of state’s office.

The voter who filed complaints about the videos, David Cross, said perpetrators should be prosecuted and punished. “No one has been held accountable,” Cross told the board. “I’m embarrassed to be a Georgian. Is this the way we run elections in the greatest country on Earth, like some third-rate banana republic?”

Sara Tindall Ghazal, the only Democrat on the State Election Board, criticized the unproven allegations of misconduct. “Despite the lack of evidence of widespread illegal ballot collection activities, real harm has been caused by these unsupported allegations asserted by people seeking to profit off of it,” Ghazal said.

The movie depends on information provided by True the Vote, a Texas-based organization that gathered drop box surveillance video and cellphone location data in parts of Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. All were swing states where Democrat Joe Biden won. True the Vote hasn’t yet complied with subpoenas issued in April by the State Election Board seeking documents, recordings and names of individuals involved. Ryan Germany, an attorney for the secretary of state’s office, said the organization has concerns about protecting the confidentiality of an individual who True the Vote said has information about ballot harvesting.

The board voted Tuesday to authorize the attorney general’s office to ask a judge to enforce subpoenas and protect the confidentiality of witnesses. “I would encourage True the Vote to cooperate with us,” board member Ed Lindsey said. “Let’s get to whether or not these allegations have any merit.”