Trump indicted again

[Beebs52]

The “election was stolen” argument is basically a racist trope -

Are you serious? Probably all elections have been suspect. How old are you?
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/12/16 ... o-illinois

I am referring to the 2020 presidential election. I hear the 1876 election was controversial, too, but not relevant to this.

So there is only a present timeline that you deal with. There is no history.

[flockofseagulls104]

Are you serious? Probably all elections have been suspect. How old are you?
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/12/16 ... o-illinois

I am referring to the 2020 presidential election. I hear the 1876 election was controversial, too, but not relevant to this.

So there is only a present timeline that you deal with. There is no history.

You're on the right track, beebs. But you have to go further. They only recognize that which supports their 'truth', commonly referred to as their narrative. They ignore, censor or demonize everything else so they don't have to deal with it.

I see that in their responses to my posts all the time. In a post where I make several valid points, they choose one (usually not the main point) where they found something they can poke a sematic hole in, or where they've found some left-wing influencer who has. Then they 'prove' I was wrong about that specific point. They ignore all the other points I have made, assuming because they disproved one thing I had to say, it disproves everything else. And they always make sure they get a personal dig in on me.

[silverscreenselect]

In a post where I make several valid points, they choose one (usually not the main point) where they found something they can poke a sematic hole in, or where they've found some left-wing influencer who has. Then they 'prove' I was wrong about that specific point. They ignore all the other points I have made.

Flock, most of your "points" are either vague generalities or things we have disproved numerous times in the past. In your ramblings about the voter rolls here in Georgia, you made two specific points I could see: that there were dead people on the list and that people listed UPS boxes (which you tried to claim was fraudulent). You've produced no evidence of fraud. Evidence, not vague claims. But you're not alone in that regard. The people who brought 60 different cases about the 2020 election (and several more about the 2022 election) couldn't produce any evidence either. Your proof is recycled nonsense from right wing sources who have been disproved over and over and keep reposting the same nonsense.

Yes, ProPublica is biased, but they examined the records of challenges to the 2022 voter rolls and found how very few of them had merit. If you have something that demonstrates they are wrong, by all means let's see it. But the fact you're reduced to whining about George Soros shows that you've got nothing to counter their evidence with.

[kroxquo]

I am referring to the 2020 presidential election. I hear the 1876 election was controversial, too, but not relevant to this.

So there is only a present timeline that you deal with. There is no history.

You're on the right track, beebs. But you have to go further. They only recognize that which supports their 'truth', commonly referred to as their narrative. They ignore, censor or demonize everything else so they don't have to deal with it.

I see that in their responses to my posts all the time. In a post where I make several valid points, they choose one (usually not the main point) where they found something they can poke a sematic hole in, or where they've found some left-wing influencer who has. Then they 'prove' I was wrong about that specific point. They ignore all the other points I have made, assuming because they disproved one thing I had to say, it disproves everything else. And they always make sure they get a personal dig in on me.

I did want to understand your points which is why I asked for some clarification. Did you miss the questions I had for you?

[flockofseagulls104]

In a post where I make several valid points, they choose one (usually not the main point) where they found something they can poke a sematic hole in, or where they've found some left-wing influencer who has. Then they 'prove' I was wrong about that specific point. They ignore all the other points I have made.

Flock, most of your "points" are either vague generalities or things we have disproved numerous times in the past. In your ramblings about the voter rolls here in Georgia, you made two specific points I could see: that there were dead people on the list and that people listed UPS boxes (which you tried to claim was fraudulent). You've produced no evidence of fraud. Evidence, not vague claims. But you're not alone in that regard. The people who brought 60 different cases about the 2020 election (and several more about the 2022 election) couldn't produce any evidence either. Your proof is recycled nonsense from right wing sources who have been disproved over and over and keep reposting the same nonsense.

Yes, ProPublica is biased, but they examined the records of challenges to the 2022 voter rolls and found how very few of them had merit. If you have something that demonstrates they are wrong, by all means let's see it. But the fact you're reduced to whining about George Soros shows that you've got nothing to counter their evidence with.

All you do, trollboy, is defend your indefensible narrative. I don't believe in polls, but you do, so I will tell you 60% of Americans believe elections are fixed.

And, as I have said on numerous occasions, and which you continually ignore, the vast majority of the ubiquitous 60 cases you continue to cite ad nauseum were rejected because of procedural bullshit because the judges were scared of addressing election issues. Very few, if any, of those cases looked at the voluminous evidence in any detail at all. Allowing you and your ilk to push the false narrative that these elections were as 'pure as driven snow', to quote the late Rush Limbaugh. You are full of crap.

So keep peddling your narrative. You are the prime example of what I described in my previous post.

You also do not care to address history, except to cherry-pick and misinterpret it to fit your narrative. Many historians and scholars see a parallel between what is happening today in the US and the Bolshevic Revolution. Your leftist ilk are really a small minority, but you have a strong power base (control of the swamp, the education institutions and the major media) and above all, a lot of money. Open your frickin eyes to what you are letting happen.

[silverscreenselect]

Very few, if any, of those cases looked at the voluminous evidence in any detail at all. Allowing you and your ilk to push the false narrative that these elections were as 'pure as driven snow', to quote the late Rush Limbaugh.

Zero for sixty. Add a few more in 2022. You would think that with all this "voluminous evidence," none of which you've bothered to show us or link to, at least one court would have been favorably inclined. Perhaps the "voluminous evidence" includes all those claims about Dominion voting machines that Fox's own hosts knew were false. That cost them $750 million. Or perhaps it's the claims Rudy Giuliani made about the two Atlanta poll workers. He's had to admit those were false as well. Or perhaps it's all the evidence from Operation Dumbo Drop. Oh wait, there was none.

Here's what Reuters had to say about the fraud claims: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN2AF1G1

And among the judges who threw out these election fraud cases were judges appointed by Trump himself. He obviously didn't do a good job of vetting judicial candidates before the Deep State got to them.

If you want to seriously think about it and not just engage in Flock-ian rantings and ravings about the Bolshevik revolution, just imagine what it would take to fix the 2020 election in multiple states as you allege. This would be a vast conspiracy with many people involved in the planning and execution. But in the three years since then, not one person has come forward to admit their role in this "conspiracy." Watergate fell apart because people flipped or testified (or leaked to Woodward and Bernstein). The January 6 conspiracy has fallen apart because people have testified about it, all the way up to Mike Pence. But not one peep about Electiongate. No one with a crisis of conscience. No one who gets jammed up by police on other charges and offers to squeal. No one. There's better security behind this conspiracy than behind the Manhattan project. And for all the work they did, you would think they would have been able to rig a few more House and Senate elections along the way, don't you? How did the Republicans ever get a House majority if the Deep State was out to get them? Or maybe the conspirators just forgot about all those other elections?

Flock, I'm willing to look at any "evidence" you produce with your tool. Or if you don't trust me, file challenges with DeKalb County. We'll see how those pan out. I'm sure you've zeroed in on a couple of people who died in the last five years who are still on the voter rolls. You may even nail someone who voted for their dead spouse. But let's see evidence of the 11,000 votes Trump tried to strongarm Brad Raffensperger into producing.

[flockofseagulls104]

OK, assuming your findings are accurate (and I have no reason to think they aren't), I have a few questions that are not intended to provoke but to clarify.
You mentioned that you are being trained on a tool to clean up voter rolls. Is this in an official capacity working for the county or a private endeavor?

No this is an organized effort by concerned citizens to use our combined skills and resources to do the job that the state apparently refuses to do. Ideally, the state should do this, but they are not. Especially here in Georgia. Our SOS, a RINO, recently stated that Georgia's voter roll was the cleanest in the US. I can state from my personal experience that it is one of the dirtiest official databases I have ever seen. And I have seen many,

Are you (meaning the group you are working with, not you individually) verifying at the entire voter roll or just what looks questionable, and if that is the case, who is deciding what is questionable?

My group is concentrating on our county, but this particular effort is just one of many, nationwide. We are determined not to be caught by surprise again. It is identifying records that look questionable, and then we look at each record individually to document the issue.

Are you looking at all registered voters or narrowing only on the Democratic side?

We are looking at questionable records. In Georgia you don't register to a political party. If the registration is false, illegal or the person is dead, we send them to the BOE for removal. What they do with it is up to them. Our county's BOE is part of the machine they have built to ensure the county stays in democrat control. At a recent State BOE meeting, one of our group spoke in the QA session and brought up some of the most egregious examples of bias by our county BOE. The State BOE will now send a member to all our County BOE meetings to ensure procedures are being followed correctly.

Are you finding patterns among affiliation registrations about irregularities and if so, what are the numbers?

I can't answer that, yet. We have no way of knowing how a particular voter votes. We are only interested in getting the bad registrations removed.

What you are describing seems like poor record keeping and not a coordinated plot to undermine the totals. Not to downplay the seriousness of keeping accurate voting records, but what evidence do you have that this is part of a larger plot and not just bureaucratic snafus?

There have been many studies looking at voter rolls in retrospect in the past recent elections. Many irregularities have been found and documented and presented to the 'authorities', only to be ignored. And it's not just on one front. That's what makes it so complicated. There are some people who have documented voter rolls increasing dramatically before an election, only to have records disappear after the election. There have been some that have documented severe vulnerabilities with the SOFTWARE used in elections. I have seen those presentations, and I have personal experience to verify in my mind what they have shown. The Dominion SOFTWARE uses SQL technology which I use every day, and they have shown that many people have access to the database through SQL, and can easily edit tables manually and leave no trace of what they have done. And it has been shown that there are many documented cases where there were more votes in specific election precincts than there were registered voters. Most, if not all, the Dominion Machines have a wifi chip installed on the motherboard, when there should be no way to connect it to the internet. Why is that? The Halderman Report points out all these vulnerabilities. But our SOS, the venerated Mr. Raffensberger, has fervently stated he will not address these security issues until AFTER the 2024 election. Why is that? Does he not want the election to be secure? There are so many fronts where potential manipulation can occur that, when one irrefutable case is found, it leaves plausible denial open for people like trollboy and his ilk. "Sure that fraud is true, but not enough to affect the results". But when you take it all together, it is more than plausible, it is obvious.


Many people, including myself, have determined there is absolutely no way, with our current electronic system, that there can be any absolute certainty about election results. There is a growing push to get us to go back to paper ballots counted at the precinct level. My precinct has 3400 registered voters. That many paper ballots can be easily counted on election night, verified by many eyes and reported so we have the results on election night. Not 3 weeks later. That is the only way we can be sure of our election results. Thats the way it was when we had confidence in our elections. And that is the way it should be.

But we know that is not coming in 2024. So we have millions of eyes looking out for any and every way we have found cheating. But we know there are minds out there finding more ways to influence elections. Like manufacturing crimes to accuse and prosecute their political opponents of. Of censoring and blacklisting those who have facts or opinions that they don't like. So that elections really don't even matter anymore.

I hope that answers your questions.

[silverscreenselect]

Are you (meaning the group you are working with, not you individually) verifying at the entire voter roll or just what looks questionable, and if that is the case, who is deciding what is questionable?
My group is concentrating on our county, but this particular effort is just one of many. It is identifying records that look questionable, and then we look at each record individually to document the issue.

Under Georgia law, a person can only file a challenge against someone in the same county as they are. So, Flock is limited to challenging DeKalb county voters. But I'm sure he's got enough wackos in other counties to join in his quest.

Questioning the Dominion voting machines cost Fox News $750 million. They're going to be on the hook for a few more hundred million when the Smartmatic suit comes to trial.

Flock mentions the Halderman report, but not the MITRE report released at the same time that disputes the Halderman findings. From the Atlanta Journal article on the reports:

MITRE said the attacks Halderman envisions are “operationally infeasible” given the normal operating procedures of voting precincts and election officials. Even if successful, it concluded most kinds of attacks would affect “a statistically insignificant number of votes on a single (voting) device at a time.” MITRE also said most kinds of the attacks would be detectable through the kind of risk-limiting audit performed after the 2020 presidential election.

Last month Raffensperger said it would pilot the latest software update this year, but he noted it has not yet been deployed by any jurisdiction. In the meantime, he outlined other security measures his office is taking to secure elections. As to the Coffee County incident, any system — including the usage of hand-marked ballots — is vulnerable to a bad actor such as an election official who provides access, said Gabriel Sterling, chief operating officer for the secretary of state’s office.

The U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency conducted its own review of Dominion systems last year. It confirmed that the type of vulnerabilities outlined by Halderman pose a risk. But it found no evidence those weaknesses had ever been exploited. And it said many of the precautions needed to mitigate the risk are standard practices in jurisdictions that use the system. “We were already doing essentially everything CISA said to mitigate these issues before the Halderman report came out,” Sterling said.

https://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-news/j ... PHWXF44WQ/

The Coffee County incident mentioned in the report occurred in a small, south Georgia county where Republican election officials (one of whom was one of the fake Trump Georgia electors) were caught on camera allowing computer experts into the election offices in January 2021 to "examine" the software on the voting machines. I expect you'll be hearing a lot more about this little operation when Fani Willis unveils her lists of indictments.

[flockofseagulls104]

to trollboy

https://voterga.org/studies/

As usual, you don't address my response to krox as a whole, but choose a couple of points that you have dubious and shallow 'answers' to that are narrative approved. Even though it wasn't addressed to you. You have to 'correct' me. Wouldn't do to have krox actually think about what I said, if he wants. You feel you need to give him an 'out' to ignore everything. That seems to be your mission in life.

At the top of the Mitre report, it states that Mitre was retained by Dominion. I would think they also paid for the report, as VoterGa contends. The report is unsigned by anyone.

Several genuine, independent cybersecurity experts (I can only assume) wrote and actually SIGNED this letter to Mitre. If you don't believe their credentials, feel free to look them up yourself. Sorry, you can't do that with the Mitre Report. But it seems to be a good answer to the Halderman report for those, like yourself, that prefer to remain ignorant.


You, as usual, know nothing but pretend like you know everything right off the top of your head. You do absolutely no looking into what I post, as is evident in the almost immediate responses you give. You are incredibly shallow.

I am tired of providing answers to your baseless and unceasing attacks on what I say, believe and my person. Why don't you just give it up? I may be wrong sometimes. But I know that I don't know what I don't know. You don't seem to understand that about yourself. You have no credibility and it's time you do some introspection and admit it to yourself.

My view is that anyone who believes that the possibility that elections have been stolen is THE BIG LIE is a fool and should not have any credibility. This includes most of the MSM. They CANNOT POSSIBLY KNOW THIS. They CANNOT POSSIBLY PROVE THIS ASSUMPTION.

Any responsible, honest person would ask 'Why do you believe this?' and determine what could be improved to avoid the real or possible problems that are the cause for this belief. But no. The response is to condemn and censor or prosecute anyone who questions it. That is why citizens like me and thousands, maybe millions of others are trying to fix it on our own, getting little or no help from our elected representatives and their appointed bureaucrats.

[silverscreenselect]

to trollboy

https://voterga.org/studies/

As usual, you don't address my response to krox as a whole, but choose a couple of points that you have dubious and shallow 'answers' to that are narrative approved. Even though it wasn't addressed to you. You have to 'correct' me. Wouldn't do to have krox actually think about what I said, if he wants. You feel you need to give him an 'out' to ignore everything. That seems to be your mission in life.

At the top of the Mitre report, it states that Mitre was retained by Dominion. I would think they also paid for the report, as VoterGa contends. The report is unsigned by anyone.

And who do you think paid for the Halderman report?

This analysis was produced by Dr. Alex Halderman on behalf or Plaintiffs in the Curling v. Raffensperger case.

From the SOS office:

Georgia’s election system is secure. It’s been battle-tested through two general elections, subjected to repeated audits and intense public scrutiny, and come through with flying colors. Georgia’s election officials are proceeding judiciously and responsibly to ensure that our elections are secure, accurate and accessible to the voters. Every single piece of voting equipment across Georgia will undergo security health checks ahead of the 2024 presidential elections, including verification no software has been tampered with.

The current proposed software upgrade has never been deployed for a major election anywhere in the nation. There are pilot tests of the upgrade that will take place in some local jurisdictions in Ohio, and Georgia will test it in some municipal elections this fall. In an initial evaluation by our election officials, the upgraded software was found to be incompatible with our poll pads. Discovering that problem during an election would have caused chaos. Discovering it ahead of time allows us to develop a patch that addresses the issue -without risking any election or public trust in the results.

The “critics of Georgia’s election security” you’ve probably seen quoted in the media are from one of only two groups: election-denying conspiracy theorists or litigants in the long-running Curling lawsuit. These two groups make ever-shifting but always baseless assertions that Georgia’s election system is at risk because bad actors might hack the system and change the result of an election. These are the same assertions we heard in 2016, when Russia supposedly “hacked the election,” and in 2018, when Stacey Abrams refused to concede because of “voter suppression.” We heard them in 2020, and conducted a risk-limiting audit and a full hand recount of every ballot in Georgia to prove that our results were accurate, and our elections were and are secure. The 2022 elections saw record-breaking voter turnout, high levels of voter satisfaction and virtually zero complaints about the process -or the results.

That system, proven and tested, is the system we have in place today for Georgia elections. We have layers of security protocols and procedures to physically protect ballots, the system, the software, and the results. We have tests and audits to verify results. We have to run elections in the real-world, not just create conspiracies or hypothetical possibilities.

The Halderman report was the result of a computer scientist having complete access to the Dominion equipment and software for three months in a laboratory environment. It identified risks that are theoretical and imaginary. Our security measures are real and mitigate all of them. The MITRE report is available on our website for anyone to read and points out that the vulnerabilities described by Halderman as operationally infeasible. Specifically, the MITRE report found “five of six attacks were…non-scalable, impacting a statistically insignificant number of votes on a single device at a time. One attack was technically scalable but also…infeasible due to access controls in place in operational election environments, access required to Dominion election software, and access required to Dominion election hardware.”

Is it possible for a team of bad actors to break into Georgia’s 2700 voting precincts, install malware that changes election outcomes on 35,000 pieces of equipment, and sneak back out -all the while being undetected and leaving no trace? I’ll put it this way: It’s more likely that I could win the lottery without buying a ticket. If the threat to election security comes down to bad people doing bad things, that threat is addressed with locks and keys and surveillance cameras and physical security measures, and punishment for those who break our laws.

I know you share my concern for election integrity and appreciate your actions in support of this office. I believe that legislative consideration for increasing the penalties for any person who gains or grants unauthorized access to any part of Georgia’s election equipment or software would demonstrate to the people of Georgia that we take their elections seriously.

By the way, we saw in January 2021 when a "team of bad actors" broke into one Georgia election office in Coffee County. They got caught. Quickly.

[flockofseagulls104]

Once again, immediate reply. Narrative approved.

Georgia’s election system is secure. It’s been battle-tested through two general elections, subjected to repeated audits and intense public scrutiny, and come through with flying colors.

There was only ONE true audit. And it reversed the outcome. Other 'Audits' were like this one.

And of course, the major one: Instead of looking at Fulton County or even DeKalb after 2020, they chose Cobb County to superficially examine. Why was that, trollboy? So as not to get anybody in any trouble?

Really. Enough already.

[earendel]

ok, flock, I've read through what you've posted, and here's the problem I see. You may have encountered errors, but that's a far cry from proving that there was fraud. For that you would have to do research by finding the voter, questioning them as to why they erroneously registered or voted, and if they were put up to it by someone else. Then you would need to show that those registrations were the result of a conspiracy to defraud. Next you would have to find out for whom those registrants voted (they may have voted for Trump). And finally you'd have to connect the dots from DeKalb County to all counties in Georgia (at the least) to show that the election was stolen. That's a fairly massive undertaking.

[silverscreenselect]

There was only ONE true audit. And it reversed the outcome.

I must have missed that one. Was it the True the Vote audit?

And can you explain how, in a state in which every state elected official was a Republican, and all of them who have gone on record claim to have voted for Trump in 2020, why they would be so eager to ignore your "overwhelming evidence" of voting irregularities?

[flockofseagulls104]

There was only ONE true audit. And it reversed the outcome.

I must have missed that one. Was it the True the Vote audit?

And can you explain how, in a state in which every state elected official was a Republican, and all of them who have gone on record claim to have voted for Trump in 2020, why they would be so eager to ignore your "overwhelming evidence" of voting irregularities?

No surprise you missed it. Because you read not one word of what I posted before you went into knee-jerk mode.

You must have missed my stating a thousand times that I am not a republican, as well. Most elected republicans are as self-serving and corrupt as democrats. I align with the republican party only because I see a small chance of it redeeming itself by getting rid of all of its uniparty members. I see no chance of that in the democrat party, which went over the dam a long time ago.

[flockofseagulls104]

ok, flock, I've read through what you've posted, and here's the problem I see. You may have encountered errors, but that's a far cry from proving that there was fraud. For that you would have to do research by finding the voter, questioning them as to why they erroneously registered or voted, and if they were put up to it by someone else. Then you would need to show that those registrations were the result of a conspiracy to defraud. Next you would have to find out for whom those registrants voted (they may have voted for Trump). And finally you'd have to connect the dots from DeKalb County to all counties in Georgia (at the least) to show that the election was stolen. That's a fairly massive undertaking.

I suggest you read it more thoroughly, especially the links.
I most definitely agree that it is a massive undertaking to 'prove' election results are inaccurate. It is far easier to swear by your mother's life that they are 'the most secure and accurate in history' and to censor and blacklist anyone who disagrees.

My question to you: Why should it be that way, and who is fighting tooth and nail to keep it the way it is and block and harass any attempt to improve and simplify the verification of results?

Added:

Read this for one thing. Raffy and Kemp are both protecting themselves, as most politicians do. How many politicians, lawyers, or judges are even going to attempt to understand the technical aspects of these reports? They will find it hard to even stay awake. Much easier to ignore it.

Especially read point 5. TTV GAVE them the geo data that I wanted to see. They did nothing with it except use lawfare to go after TTV and several other people.

Oh, and point 37...
“The President's allies allege that 1,043 people voted who were registered at addresses that are
actually Post-Office boxes. A simple google search of this list revealed that many of the addresses that
are alleged to be post office boxes are actually apartments.”
If the SOS did a simple search he would have determined that there are at least 907
voters who are registered to vote at Post Office Boxes in locations that are clearly not
apartments. These Post Office Boxes are in U.S. Postal Service locations, UPS stores, Fed
Refutation of Georgia Secretary Brad
Raffensperger’s False Election Claims
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Ex locations, and other stores such as PAK mail, Anytime Mail and Postnet. These illegal
voters are shown in the Absentee Early Voting file from November 16, 2020. Secretary
Raffensperger has offered no explanation for these illegal Post Office Box registrations.

I think that Raffensberger just refuted trollboy's claim right there. So much for him knowing everything. It is NOT legal to register to vote from a PO Box. I knew that, because I try to know what I talk about.

Also, one hint. If any of you get access to a Fulton County GA Voter Roll, check out the address 4780 Ashford Dunwoody Rd. There are currently 41 registered voters 'living' there. In the UPS Store. That's just one. Extrapolate.

[silverscreenselect]

Especially read point 5. TTV GAVE them the geo data that I wanted to see. They did nothing with it except use lawfare to go after TTV and several other people.

Then why didn't True the Vote release that data as they had promised in Operation Dumbo Drop for you and me and the whole world to see? After all, they are such a fine group of selfless patriots.

So Kemp and Raffensperger are in on it along with Biden and Fani Willis and Jack Smith and Mike Pence and who knows how many other politicians and law enforcement officials in both parties.

You've been snookered. You continue to be snookered.

These vote fraudsters must be the greatest group of master criminals in the whole world because not a single law enforcement agency in the entire country has evidence of any of them.

But I'm willing to wait to see what your diligent efforts produce, whether it's evidence or excuses. My money's on the latter.

[flockofseagulls104]

Especially read point 5. TTV GAVE them the geo data that I wanted to see. They did nothing with it except use lawfare to go after TTV and several other people.

Then why didn't True the Vote release that data as they had promised in Operation Dumbo Drop for you and me and the whole world to see? After all, they are such a fine group of selfless patriots.

So Kemp and Raffensperger are in on it along with Biden and Fani Willis and Jack Smith and Mike Pence and who knows how many other politicians and law enforcement officials in both parties.

You've been snookered. You continue to be snookered.

These vote fraudsters must be the greatest group of master criminals in the whole world because not a single law enforcement agency in the entire country has evidence of any of them.

But I'm willing to wait to see what your diligent efforts produce, whether it's evidence or excuses. My money's on the latter.

I explained that in yet another post you read not one word of. Go back to sleep, trollboy.

[silverscreenselect]

Also, one hint. If any of you get access to a Fulton County GA Voter Roll, check out the address 4780 Ashford Dunwoody Rd. There are currently 41 registered voters 'living' there. In the UPS Store. That's just one. Extrapolate.

Flock:

These are not illegal. They may have listed an incorrect residence address, just as someone who transposes the digits on their street address or lists SW instead of SE as their street address. Illegal registration requires fraudulent intent.

This is how UPS describes its post office box services on its website:

Unlike P.O. Boxes, you’ll get a real street address for your very real small business. Receive packages and mail from all shipping carriers. And because running a 9 to 5 business is not a 9 to 5 job, you’ll have 24-hour access to your mailbox at participating The UPS Store locations. Plus, our expert staff and all of our small business services are on hand to help you be unstoppable.

You can see how someone could think that a UPS box address is a "real street address."

Do you really think that a flood of illegal voters are coming to Fulton County and renting UPS boxes just so they can cast illegal votes in an election?

[flockofseagulls104]

Also, one hint. If any of you get access to a Fulton County GA Voter Roll, check out the address 4780 Ashford Dunwoody Rd. There are currently 41 registered voters 'living' there. In the UPS Store. That's just one. Extrapolate.

Flock:

These are not illegal. They may have listed an incorrect residence address, just as someone who transposes the digits on their street address or lists SW instead of SE as their street address. Illegal registration requires fraudulent intent.

This is how UPS describes its post office box services on its website:

Unlike P.O. Boxes, you’ll get a real street address for your very real small business. Receive packages and mail from all shipping carriers. And because running a 9 to 5 business is not a 9 to 5 job, you’ll have 24-hour access to your mailbox at participating The UPS Store locations. Plus, our expert staff and all of our small business services are on hand to help you be unstoppable.

You can see how someone could think that a UPS box address is a "real street address."

Do you really think that a flood of illegal voters are coming to Fulton County and renting UPS boxes just so they can cast illegal votes in an election?

For the millionth time, you don't read (proven) or you just don't comprehend (pretty obvious). Whether there are a flood of illegal voters or not, those registrations should not be on the roll. Even your hero Raffensberger admitted it while giving a dumb excuse like yours. In fact, whoever put them on the roll in that condition is probably legally liable for it. But only if they're not a democrat, apparently. If Trump did it, they would certainly have had an indictment out by now.

Of course, there couldn't be any fraud here. Especialy when they use the UPS store as their residence address and fill in the APARTMENT UNIT # field as "APT 342" or "UNIT # A414". Not trying to fool anyone. are they?

Are you going to retract your claim that it's legal to register to vote using a PO Box? Admit you're wrong about something? Not a chance in hell. Prove me wrong, or admit you're wrong, trollboy. The evidence is available to you. Then, for your own good, shut up.

[silverscreenselect]

Whether there are a flood of illegal voters or not, those registrations should not be on the roll. Even your hero Raffensberger admitted it while giving a dumb excuse like yours. In fact, whoever put them on the roll in that condition is probably legally liable for it.

Many of these "illegal" registrations probably occurred when people obtained their drivers licenses or renewals. In Georgia, there is automatic voter registration available with drivers license applications, if you check the right box on the license form. And if you hadn't noticed, Georgia is cleaning up the rolls by removing people who don't belong there. I'm sure you're going to go out and challenge all kinds of "illegal" voter registrations in DeKalb County. And if someone is challenged, they can clean up these types of discrepancies on their application very easily.

What does somebody gain by knowingly listing a UPS box as their residential address instead of some apartment that's probably pretty close by the UPS box? Or do you think that someone from California is going to come to Georgia, get a Georgia driver's license, get a UPS box, register to vote (showing their drivers license), and then show up to vote (showing the license again)?

Knock yourself out chasing down these "illegal" registrations and at the end of the day, pat yourself on the back for finding three or four registrations of people who had died or moved away and had no intention of trying to vote in that location anyway.

[flockofseagulls104]

Whether there are a flood of illegal voters or not, those registrations should not be on the roll. Even your hero Raffensberger admitted it while giving a dumb excuse like yours. In fact, whoever put them on the roll in that condition is probably legally liable for it.

Many of these "illegal" registrations probably occurred when people obtained their drivers licenses or renewals. In Georgia, there is automatic voter registration available with drivers license applications, if you check the right box on the license form. And if you hadn't noticed, Georgia is cleaning up the rolls by removing people who don't belong there. I'm sure you're going to go out and challenge all kinds of "illegal" voter registrations in DeKalb County. And if someone is challenged, they can clean up these types of discrepancies on their application very easily.

What does somebody gain by knowingly listing a UPS box as their residential address instead of some apartment that's probably pretty close by the UPS box? Or do you think that someone from California is going to come to Georgia, get a Georgia driver's license, get a UPS box, register to vote (showing their drivers license), and then show up to vote (showing the license again)?

Knock yourself out chasing down these "illegal" registrations and at the end of the day, pat yourself on the back for finding three or four registrations of people who had died or moved away and had no intention of trying to vote in that location anyway.

So now it all comes down to that I am wasting my time doing what I'm doing. What do you care? What is it to you?
I guess that is better than admitting you are wrong about something. Or addressing the gobs of documented evidence by VoterGA when you claim there is none.
Why do you have to post a 'correction' to every frickin post I make on this bored? Don't you have anything better to do with your time? Perhaps you can start trolling VoterGA and tell them everything they are wrong about. After all, you know everything about everything. I'm sure they'd appreciate your help as much as I do.

[earendel]

ok, flock, I've read through what you've posted, and here's the problem I see. You may have encountered errors, but that's a far cry from proving that there was fraud. For that you would have to do research by finding the voter, questioning them as to why they erroneously registered or voted, and if they were put up to it by someone else. Then you would need to show that those registrations were the result of a conspiracy to defraud. Next you would have to find out for whom those registrants voted (they may have voted for Trump). And finally you'd have to connect the dots from DeKalb County to all counties in Georgia (at the least) to show that the election was stolen. That's a fairly massive undertaking.

I suggest you read it more thoroughly, especially the links.
I most definitely agree that it is a massive undertaking to 'prove' election results are inaccurate. It is far easier to swear by your mother's life that they are 'the most secure and accurate in history' and to censor and blacklist anyone who disagrees.

My question to you: Why should it be that way, and who is fighting tooth and nail to keep it the way it is and block and harass any attempt to improve and simplify the verification of results?
I have gone back through what you posted and I still maintain that what is being found are legitimate errors, not evidence of fraud. I don't think anyone would argue that voter rolls are 100% correct. The issue is whether anything is being done to address this issue. The EPIC system is one way, but some states, run by Republicans, have opted out of that system (if I understand correctly, Georgia is not one of those). I'm pretty sure that every state has a process for reviewing the rolls and purging them.

[flockofseagulls104]

ok, flock, I've read through what you've posted, and here's the problem I see. You may have encountered errors, but that's a far cry from proving that there was fraud. For that you would have to do research by finding the voter, questioning them as to why they erroneously registered or voted, and if they were put up to it by someone else. Then you would need to show that those registrations were the result of a conspiracy to defraud. Next you would have to find out for whom those registrants voted (they may have voted for Trump). And finally you'd have to connect the dots from DeKalb County to all counties in Georgia (at the least) to show that the election was stolen. That's a fairly massive undertaking.

I suggest you read it more thoroughly, especially the links.
I most definitely agree that it is a massive undertaking to 'prove' election results are inaccurate. It is far easier to swear by your mother's life that they are 'the most secure and accurate in history' and to censor and blacklist anyone who disagrees.

My question to you: Why should it be that way, and who is fighting tooth and nail to keep it the way it is and block and harass any attempt to improve and simplify the verification of results?
I have gone back through what you posted and I still maintain that what is being found are legitimate errors, not evidence of fraud. I don't think anyone would argue that voter rolls are 100% correct. The issue is whether anything is being done to address this issue. The EPIC system is one way, but some states, run by Republicans, have opted out of that system (if I understand correctly, Georgia is not one of those). I'm pretty sure that every state has a process for reviewing the rolls and purging them.

Not sure you read everything, but I think you might be in the same category as the judges asked to look at these issues. It is too overwhelming to digest, so you believe it's easier to sweep it under the rug as 'legitimate errors'. Even if it can be explained away as that ( I don't happen to think so. This is just one group's compilation of what they found), is this volume of 'legitimate errors' acceptable to you? To the point where no one can whittle it down to one official number that everyone can accept? And is the answer for you just to ignore all these 'legitimate errors' and censor anyone questioning them, as we are currently doing?

[earendel]

Not sure you read everything, but I think you might be in the same category as the judges asked to look at these issues. It is too overwhelming to digest, so you believe it's easier to sweep it under the rug as 'legitimate errors'. Even if it can be explained away as that ( I don't happen to think so. This is just one group's compilation of what they found), is this volume of 'legitimate errors' acceptable to you? To the point where no one can whittle it down to one official number that everyone can accept? And is the answer for you just to ignore all these 'legitimate errors' and censor anyone questioning them, as we are currently doing?

Voter rolls will never be 100% accurate because people make mistakes. I don't believe that anything is being "swept under the rug"; I think you are seeing what you want to see (confirmation bias) in the numbers, whereas I see "legitimate errors". I don't have any problems with investigating the rolls, but I don't think there has been a deliberate attempt by "Them" to subvert the voting process. Moreover, who knows how many of those improperly registered voters voted for Biden and how many for Trump. Unless there truly is a massive conspiracy, I suspect that if those voters were asked, the numbers would resemble the actual voting results - a slim Biden majority.

You are welcome to call me naïve if you like.

[silverscreenselect]

Moreover, who knows how many of those improperly registered voters voted for Biden and how many for Trump.

Or how many voted, period. Someone who voted in 2018 but not since then remains on the Georgia rolls today. So people who died or moved away in 2019 or later are still "on the rolls" but didn't vote then and wouldn't be voting now.

The system in Georgia is set up to give people a chance to correct improper registrations, the vast majority of which are not fraudulent. Flock throws around the word "illegal" to describe these, when a more accurate description is "incorrect." They are mistakes, unless an element of deception is involved. Not someone putting down a UPS box because the UPS salesman told him this was a "real street address" with a street number. As I've mentioned, people put down NE instead of NW in listing street addresses, or they transpose digits in the street address or zip code. Even if Flock files a challenge that the County Board thinks has some merit, the challenged voter can show up at a hearing to clear things up, such as by showing a corrected address.

If Biden won Georgia by 11 votes, then there's a possibility that incorrectly tallied votes or even fraudulent votes made a difference. But not 11,000 votes. And Flock always ignores the most obvious flaw in the "fraud" theory. An attempt to rig the election through fraudulent registration schemes would require many, many, people over an extended period of time, some of them with rather detailed technical knowledge. Where have those people been hiding since the election? And why didn't they rig the election for other Democrats as well?

If Flock wants to spend his free time between now and the next election, that's his choice. But the odds are, he'll get the same results as the people who did t his before the 2022 elections, namely a lot of challenges with very little to show for them and no evidence of fraud as opposed to incorrect recordkeeping.