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Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:46 pm
by Bob78164
BackInTex wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:29 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:41 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:12 pm
Y'all are too funny.
Why can't anyone admit that Biden fucked up and deal with it?
Not clear that it was President Biden personally, but yes, someone screwed up. What we're objecting to is the attempt to compare what appears to have been, at worst, carelessness, to Donny's criminal withholding of classified information that he knew he had no right to retain. --Bob
At worst carelessness? How do you get that? At BEST it is carelessness. But Biden was likely not even authorized to have those documents in the places they are when he WAS VP. Why were they ever out of the control of someone who was responsible?
The documents at Mar a Lago were secured and the grounds patrolled by Secret Service. Anyone could and may have had access to the documents Joe illegally stored in his garage.
Like Beebs said, you can't even admit the obvious.
Donny resisted returning the documents at every opportunity. That's criminal. He knowingly lied to the government about having them. That's criminal.
President Biden voluntarily disclosed the missteps and returned the documents before anyone knew they were missing. If he hadn't done so, this thread wouldn't exist because no one would know about them. Based on what we know, it looks like they were packed along with then-Vice President Biden's other belongings when his term ended. President Biden has said he was not aware that the documents were in the storage closets where they were found, and there is no reason to doubt that.
Donny's conduct was criminal. There is no plausible argument that President Biden's conduct was criminal. It is not a crime to be sloppy with your handling of documents containing classified information. It is a crime to refuse to return them upon demand, or to lie to the government about having them. --Bob
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:00 pm
by Beebs52
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:46 pm
BackInTex wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:29 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:41 pm
Not clear that it was President Biden personally, but yes, someone screwed up. What we're objecting to is the attempt to compare what appears to have been, at worst, carelessness, to Donny's criminal withholding of classified information that he knew he had no right to retain. --Bob
At worst carelessness? How do you get that? At BEST it is carelessness. But Biden was likely not even authorized to have those documents in the places they are when he WAS VP. Why were they ever out of the control of someone who was responsible?
The documents at Mar a Lago were secured and the grounds patrolled by Secret Service. Anyone could and may have had access to the documents Joe illegally stored in his garage.
Like Beebs said, you can't even admit the obvious.
Donny resisted returning the documents at every opportunity. That's criminal. He knowingly lied to the government about having them. That's criminal.
President Biden voluntarily disclosed the missteps and returned the documents before anyone knew they were missing. If he hadn't done so, this thread wouldn't exist because no one would know about them. Based on what we know, it looks like they were packed along with then-Vice President Biden's other belongings when his term ended. President Biden has said he was not aware that the documents were in the storage closets where they were found, and there is no reason to doubt that.
Donny's conduct was criminal. There is no plausible argument that President Biden's conduct was criminal. It is not a crime to be sloppy with your handling of documents containing classified information. It is a crime to refuse to return them upon demand, or to lie to the government about having them. --Bob
Um, no.
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:11 pm
by Bob78164
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:00 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:46 pm
BackInTex wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:29 pm
At worst carelessness? How do you get that? At BEST it is carelessness. But Biden was likely not even authorized to have those documents in the places they are when he WAS VP. Why were they ever out of the control of someone who was responsible?
The documents at Mar a Lago were secured and the grounds patrolled by Secret Service. Anyone could and may have had access to the documents Joe illegally stored in his garage.
Like Beebs said, you can't even admit the obvious.
Donny resisted returning the documents at every opportunity. That's criminal. He knowingly lied to the government about having them. That's criminal.
President Biden voluntarily disclosed the missteps and returned the documents before anyone knew they were missing. If he hadn't done so, this thread wouldn't exist because no one would know about them. Based on what we know, it looks like they were packed along with then-Vice President Biden's other belongings when his term ended. President Biden has said he was not aware that the documents were in the storage closets where they were found, and there is no reason to doubt that.
Donny's conduct was criminal. There is no plausible argument that President Biden's conduct was criminal. It is not a crime to be sloppy with your handling of documents containing classified information. It is a crime to refuse to return them upon demand, or to lie to the government about having them. --Bob
Um, no.
Thank you for your usual thorough and well reasoned response.
Now I understand precisely which part of my reasoning you disagree with. --Bob
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:38 pm
by Beebs52
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:11 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:00 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:46 pm
Donny resisted returning the documents at every opportunity. That's criminal. He knowingly lied to the government about having them. That's criminal.
President Biden voluntarily disclosed the missteps and returned the documents before anyone knew they were missing. If he hadn't done so, this thread wouldn't exist because no one would know about them. Based on what we know, it looks like they were packed along with then-Vice President Biden's other belongings when his term ended. President Biden has said he was not aware that the documents were in the storage closets where they were found, and there is no reason to doubt that.
Donny's conduct was criminal. There is no plausible argument that President Biden's conduct was criminal. It is not a crime to be sloppy with your handling of documents containing classified information. It is a crime to refuse to return them upon demand, or to lie to the government about having them. --Bob
Um, no.
Thank you for your usual thorough and well reasoned response.
Now I understand precisely which part of my reasoning you disagree with. --Bob
You lie, make shit up and deflect, so, um, no is a reasoned response.
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:40 pm
by tlynn78
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:11 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:00 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:46 pm
Donny resisted returning the documents at every opportunity. That's criminal. He knowingly lied to the government about having them. That's criminal.
President Biden voluntarily disclosed the missteps and returned the documents before anyone knew they were missing. If he hadn't done so, this thread wouldn't exist because no one would know about them. Based on what we know, it looks like they were packed along with then-Vice President Biden's other belongings when his term ended. President Biden has said he was not aware that the documents were in the storage closets where they were found, and there is no reason to doubt that.
Donny's conduct was criminal. There is no plausible argument that President Biden's conduct was criminal. It is not a crime to be sloppy with your handling of documents containing classified information. It is a crime to refuse to return them upon demand, or to lie to the government about having them. --Bob
Um, no.
Thank you for your usual thorough and well reasoned response.
Now I understand precisely which part of my reasoning you disagree with. --Bob
You are utterly unable to apply anything approaching reason when it comes to Trump (at least).
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:45 pm
by Beebs52
"Based on what we know, it looks like they were packed along with then-Vice President Biden's other belongings when his term ended. President Biden has said he was not aware that the documents were in the storage closets where they were found, and there is no reason to doubt that.
Donny's conduct was criminal. There is no plausible argument that President Biden's conduct was criminal. It is not a crime to be sloppy with your handling of documents containing classified information. "
According to you as a doj attny? Okie doke
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:51 pm
by Bob78164
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:38 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:11 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:00 pm
Um, no.
Thank you for your usual thorough and well reasoned response.
Now I understand precisely which part of my reasoning you disagree with. --Bob
You lie, make shit up and deflect, so, um, no is a reasoned response.
Calling me a liar crosses a line I take very seriously. When do you think I've lied? (Nor do I make shit up.) --Bob
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:52 pm
by tlynn78
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:45 pm
"Based on what we know, it looks like they were packed along with then-Vice President Biden's other belongings when his term ended. President Biden has said he was not aware that the documents were in the storage closets where they were found, and there is no reason to doubt that.
Donny's conduct was criminal. There is no plausible argument that President Biden's conduct was criminal. It is not a crime to be sloppy with your handling of documents containing classified information. "
According to you as a doj attny? Okie doke
Can you imagine the amount of shit they'd be losing if docs were found in Trumps garage?
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:56 pm
by Bob78164
I will again quote Steve Benen, as I did earlier in the thread: "If Trump had done the same thing [as President Biden by voluntarily returning the documents], he wouldn’t be facing a criminal investigation. It’s not illegal to accidentally have classified documents; it’s illegal to [deliberately] take them and refuse to give them back." --Bob
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:00 pm
by tlynn78
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:56 pm
I will again quote Steve Benen, as I did earlier in the thread: "If Trump had done the same thing [as President Biden by voluntarily returning the documents], he wouldn’t be facing a criminal investigation.
It’s not illegal to accidentally have classified documents; it’s illegal to [deliberately] take them and refuse to give them back." --Bob
Bull. Shit.
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:40 am
by BackInTex
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:56 pm
I will again quote Steve Benen, as I did earlier in the thread: "If Trump had done the same thing [as President Biden by voluntarily returning the documents], he wouldn’t be facing a criminal investigation.
It’s not illegal to accidentally have classified documents; it’s illegal to [deliberately] take them and refuse to give them back." --Bob
How does a competent Vice President accidentally have classified documents? Not once, not twice, but several separate incidents?
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:44 am
by Bob78164
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:40 am
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:56 pm
I will again quote Steve Benen, as I did earlier in the thread: "If Trump had done the same thing [as President Biden by voluntarily returning the documents], he wouldn’t be facing a criminal investigation.
It’s not illegal to accidentally have classified documents; it’s illegal to [deliberately] take them and refuse to give them back." --Bob
How does a competent Vice President accidentally have classified documents? Not once, not twice, but several separate incidents?
Here’s one scenario. I seriously doubt he did his own packing. He was busy being Vice President. They got shoved into boxes by whoever did do his packing instead of being left behind or shredded. That’s why they spent six years in storage boxes and President Biden didn’t know they were there.
Once the first set of documents was discovered, the lawyers started going through everything else with a fine-toothed comb. They needed to use people with appropriate security clearances so I’m sure that took some time to organize. —Bob
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:47 am
by Bob78164
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:00 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:56 pm
I will again quote Steve Benen, as I did earlier in the thread: "If Trump had done the same thing [as President Biden by voluntarily returning the documents], he wouldn’t be facing a criminal investigation.
It’s not illegal to accidentally have classified documents; it’s illegal to [deliberately] take them and refuse to give them back." --Bob
Bull. Shit.
Quiet. The adults are talking. Listen carefully and you might learn something. —Bob
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:05 am
by tlynn78
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:44 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:40 am
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:56 pm
I will again quote Steve Benen, as I did earlier in the thread: "If Trump had done the same thing [as President Biden by voluntarily returning the documents], he wouldn’t be facing a criminal investigation.
It’s not illegal to accidentally have classified documents; it’s illegal to [deliberately] take them and refuse to give them back." --Bob
How does a competent Vice President accidentally have classified documents? Not once, not twice, but several separate incidents?
Here’s one scenario. I seriously doubt he did his own packing. He was busy being Vice President. They got shoved into boxes by whoever did do his packing instead of being left behind or shredded. That’s why they spent six years in storage boxes and President Biden didn’t know they were there.
Once the first set of documents was discovered, the lawyers started going through everything else with a fine-toothed comb. They needed to use people with appropriate security clearances so I’m sure that took some time to organize. —Bob
"The lawyers" aren't in charge of the documents, but you're fine with Biden"s private lawyers "going through everything with a fine-toothed comb." I wonder what their security clearance is. They couldn't possibly have any interest in, say, protecting their client or his family members over national security interests and getting rid of anything that might compromise their client.
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:22 am
by silverscreenselect
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:05 am
They couldn't possibly have any interest in, say, protecting their client or his family members over national security interests and getting rid of anything that might compromise their client.
Biden's lawyers have had six years to go through his documents and get rid of anything that might compromise their client.
As the article I cited earlier in this thread said, these documents were packed under very hectic circumstances, as Biden maintained a busy schedule in the last few days of his VP term in January 2017. Obviously, mistakes were made under extreme time pressure. And once Biden's attorneys learned there were classified documents in his offices, they notified the proper authorities immediately and turned over what they knew they had the next morning.
I welcome an investigation into the Biden documents. I hope the House launches a similar investigation into the Trump documents. But since I live in the real world, I'm not holding my breath. Every House investigation that you're going to see in the next two years is designed to embarrass Biden and the Democrats.
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:23 pm
by Beebs52
I guess what some of y'all forgot is that elections have consequences. Turnabout's fair play, yada yada. You may not enjoy it but oh well.
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:15 pm
by jarnon
Philadelphia Inquirer wrote:A University of Pennsylvania think tank tied to President Joe Biden is facing one of the first inquiries from congressional Republicans as GOP lawmakers aim to use their newfound power in in the U.S. House to investigate the Democratic president. While providing few details, the head of House Oversight and Accountability Committee wrote to Penn president Liz Magill Wednesday demanding information about an increase in Chinese donations to the university after the formation of the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in 2017. The letter comes after classified documents were recently found at the center’s offices in Washington, D.C., an issue that is now the focus of GOP critics.
What Rep. Comer is implying is rather clear.
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:49 pm
by Bob Juch
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:33 pm
by Beebs52
How stupid is that. Hello
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:55 pm
by tlynn78
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:33 pm
How stupid is that. Hello
Consider the source. Pretty typical, actually, when their narrative falters, make shit up.
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:19 pm
by silverscreenselect
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:55 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:33 pm
How stupid is that. Hello
Consider the source. Pretty typical, actually, when their narrative falters, make shit up.
I think you have Democrats confused with George Santos,
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:52 am
by Bob78164
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:19 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:55 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:33 pm
How stupid is that. Hello
Consider the source. Pretty typical, actually, when their narrative falters, make shit up.
I think you have Democrats confused with George Santos,
Nah. She’s just a typical Republican politician whose go-to move when she doesn’t have answers (which is pretty much all the time) is to lie about Democrats by falsely accusing them of making shit up. —Bob
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:19 am
by tlynn78
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:52 am
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:19 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:55 pm
Consider the source. Pretty typical, actually, when their narrative falters, make shit up.
I think you have Democrats confused with George Santos,
Nah. She’s just a typical Republican politician whose go-to move when she doesn’t have answers (which is pretty much all the time) is to lie about Democrats by falsely accusing them of making shit up. —Bob
Lol, from the "very fine attorney" who made up a fantasy where his oath didn't include upholding the law ..priceless.
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 7:59 am
by jarnon
Re: So, Where Is The Long Thread on Biden and Classified Docs?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:28 pm
by tlynn78
Curious about how many more "discoveries" it'll take before the excuses run out.