Put the Blame Where it Belongs-China

[Spock]

Not much surprises me on the Bored anymore, but I am absolutely Gobsmacked by the resistance I have gotten from SSS and the Bobs to the idea of looking at the China angle in this.

The funniest part is that the 2 Bobs are very quick to cry "Whataboutism" in any discussion. Now, when somebody says lets look at China-all we hear are an endless stream of "Whatabaout Trump?" "Whatabout Trump." That strikes me as extremely amusing.

I am bringing this earlier post about the YouTube video from a couple of posts ago forward as I don't want it lost in the shitstorm.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU

10-minute Youtube video on the Wuhan Biolab.

The speaker is following public information bread crumbs on the Chinese internet and believes the virus came from the lab.
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[jarnon]

Not much surprises me on the Bored anymore, but I am absolutely Gobsmacked by the resistance I have gotten from SSS and the Bobs to the idea of looking at the China angle in this.

I'm even more astounded by Democrats lambasting Trump for providing emergency supplies to hard-hit countries.

If Obama had done it, they'd be like "foreign lives matter" and "fighting the virus there will reduce its spread to our country." Instead they're all America First.

[Spock]

Not much surprises me on the Bored anymore, but I am absolutely Gobsmacked by the resistance I have gotten from SSS and the Bobs to the idea of looking at the China angle in this.

I'm even more astounded by Democrats lambasting Trump for providing emergency supplies to hard-hit countries.

If Obama had done it, they'd be like "foreign lives matter" and "fighting the virus there will reduce its spread to our country." Instead they're all America First.

Obviously, given his extreme partisan and ideological, bent it doesn't surprise me that he is not. But, one would think that Bob#'s, as the big, self-purported science guy here, might at least be the tiniest bit interested in the Wuhan biological lab.

As a science guy, it seems to me that his talents are wasted endlessly chasing "Linda Quick" or whatever the latest MSNBC squirrel is.

[Bob Juch]

That probably belongs in the other thread. I think readers of this one would be more interested in your take on bio-security protocols at Chinese biological labs.

Given their behavior in this thread; I have a mental image of SSS and the Bobs holding their breath and stomping their feet and whining-"Why won't Spock play 'Gotcha' domestic politics with us?"

You are playing politics. In the very title of this thread, you're claiming that the blame for America's current straits belongs with China, rather than with the federal government that failed abysmally in its response to this foreseeable (and foreseen) crisis. So you can climb off your high horse. --Bob

This is odd, my Google Translate option translated Bob's words to-"Squirrell."

Will everybody please stop polluting this thread and put the domestic politics in the other thread. This is a CHINA thread.

But, just to warn everybody, I will be bringing in Senator Tom Cotton as he has been on the Wuhan lab stuff for a long time. That would be a type of domestic politics that is on-topic to the thread.

Tom Cotton is an idiot.

[Spock]

You are playing politics. In the very title of this thread, you're claiming that the blame for America's current straits belongs with China, rather than with the federal government that failed abysmally in its response to this foreseeable (and foreseen) crisis. So you can climb off your high horse. --Bob

Will everybody please stop polluting this thread and put the domestic politics in the other thread. This is a CHINA thread.

But, just to warn everybody, I will be bringing in Senator Tom Cotton as he has been on the Wuhan lab stuff for a long time. That would be a type of domestic politics that is on-topic to the thread.


This is odd, my Google Translate option translated Bob's words to-"Squirrell."

Tom Cotton is an idiot.

Just the type of constructive criticism that we all know and love from you.

Interesting definition of idiot you have though.

Graduate of Harvard Law

US Army Officer and combat veteran.

[Bob78164]

Will everybody please stop polluting this thread and put the domestic politics in the other thread. This is a CHINA thread.

Speaking for myself, I'd consider it if you changed the thread's title to something that wasn't attempting to shift the blame from Donny's incompetent response to the pandemic. --Bob

[Spock]

Will everybody please stop polluting this thread and put the domestic politics in the other thread. This is a CHINA thread.

Speaking for myself, I'd consider it if you changed the thread's title to something that wasn't attempting to shift the blame from Donny's incompetent response to the pandemic. --Bob

Once again, my Google Translate option seems to be broken. When I type your words into it-all that comes up is "MSNBC Squirrel."

OK-fine=my fun is over-you win-Donny was incompetent-Now will you please leave this thread alone.

[silverscreenselect]

But, one would think that Bob#'s, as the big, self-purported science guy here, might at least be the tiniest bit interested in the Wuhan biological lab.

I'm not a "science guy," but I looked at your sources, and I have to say that the evidence that your handful of fringe twitter and youtube posters have put out there is certainly overwhelming. However, this is what the actual world scientific community has to say:

Viruses do have genetic material like people, except their genetic material is not quite as complex as those of humans. Nevertheless, like humans, viruses still pass along such materials when they replicate and evolve. [S]cientists can use more advanced genetic analysis to figure out the origins, the “family tree” of SARS-CoV2.

Indeed, strong clues had already emerged by February 26, 2020, when a Perspectives piece was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. In the piece, David M. Morens, M.D. and Peter Daszak, Ph.D. from the National Institute of Health (NIH) and Jeffery K. Taubenberger, M.D., Ph.D. wrote: “Of course, scientists tell us that SARS-CoV-2 did not escape from a jar: RNA sequences closely resemble those of viruses that silently circulate in bats, and epidemiologic information implicates a bat-origin virus infecting unidentified animal species sold in China’s live-animal markets.”

Even more evidence of a natural rather than human-made origin for SARS-CoV2 has emerged from a study described in a research letter just published in Nature Medicine. In the letter, a research team (Kristian G. Andersen from The Scripps Research Institute, Andrew Rambaut from the University of Edinburgh, W. Ian Lipkin from the Mailman School of Public Health of Columbia University, Edward C. Holmes from The University of Sydney and Robert F. Garry from Tulane University) described how they had analyzed the genetic sequences that code for the protein spikes on the surface of SARS-CoV2. The virus looks sort of like a medieval mace with multiple spikes sticking out from its spherical shape. These spikes aren’t just for show as the virus uses them to latch on to a cell that it wants to invade and then push its way into the cell. Very medieval stuff.

Apparently, portions of these spike proteins are so effective in targeting specific receptors on human cells that it is hard to imagine humans manufacturing them, not with known existing technology. The researchers then concluded that this feature and thus the new coronavirus could have in all likelihood only evolved over time naturally. You see humans can make useful stuff like ride-sharing apps but are still quite puny compared to nature when it comes to making stuff like viruses.

In fact, the research team found that the SARS-CoV-2 structure in general is quite different from what humans would have likely concocted. If a human had wanted to create a viral weapon, he or she would have started with the structure of a virus that’s already known to cause illness in people. Naturally, if you want to make a weapon, you may want to start with something like a grenade launcher rather than a smoothie maker, not that the virus looks like either. Instead, the structure of SARS-CoV2 is quite similar to those of viruses known to infect bats and pangolins.

So there you have it: scientific evidence trumping conspiracy theories. Will all of these scientific findings finally quash the “virus-was-made-in-a-lab-and-it-is-your-fault” rhetoric between the politicians and on social media? Probably not. Since when has science stopped such political rhetoric. Maybe, though, it will get more people to focus on the much more important matter at hand: trying to control this pandemic together.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2 ... 8783053728

Spock, your theories would be more credible if you actually cited some medical or scientific authorities willing to go on record supporting them, rather than the usual right wing crackpots. Their track record in regard to the coronavirus in general is abysmal. As it is, this is on the level of pizzagate.

[Spock]

But, one would think that Bob#'s, as the big, self-purported science guy here, might at least be the tiniest bit interested in the Wuhan biological lab.

I'm not a "science guy," but I looked at your sources, and I have to say that the evidence that your handful of fringe twitter and youtube posters have put out there is certainly overwhelming. However, this is what the actual world scientific community has to say:

Viruses do have genetic material like people, except their genetic material is not quite as complex as those of humans. Nevertheless, like humans, viruses still pass along such materials when they replicate and evolve. [S]cientists can use more advanced genetic analysis to figure out the origins, the “family tree” of SARS-CoV2.

Indeed, strong clues had already emerged by February 26, 2020, when a Perspectives piece was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. In the piece, David M. Morens, M.D. and Peter Daszak, Ph.D. from the National Institute of Health (NIH) and Jeffery K. Taubenberger, M.D., Ph.D. wrote: “Of course, scientists tell us that SARS-CoV-2 did not escape from a jar: RNA sequences closely resemble those of viruses that silently circulate in bats, and epidemiologic information implicates a bat-origin virus infecting unidentified animal species sold in China’s live-animal markets.”

Even more evidence of a natural rather than human-made origin for SARS-CoV2 has emerged from a study described in a research letter just published in Nature Medicine. In the letter, a research team (Kristian G. Andersen from The Scripps Research Institute, Andrew Rambaut from the University of Edinburgh, W. Ian Lipkin from the Mailman School of Public Health of Columbia University, Edward C. Holmes from The University of Sydney and Robert F. Garry from Tulane University) described how they had analyzed the genetic sequences that code for the protein spikes on the surface of SARS-CoV2. The virus looks sort of like a medieval mace with multiple spikes sticking out from its spherical shape. These spikes aren’t just for show as the virus uses them to latch on to a cell that it wants to invade and then push its way into the cell. Very medieval stuff.

Apparently, portions of these spike proteins are so effective in targeting specific receptors on human cells that it is hard to imagine humans manufacturing them, not with known existing technology. The researchers then concluded that this feature and thus the new coronavirus could have in all likelihood only evolved over time naturally. You see humans can make useful stuff like ride-sharing apps but are still quite puny compared to nature when it comes to making stuff like viruses.

In fact, the research team found that the SARS-CoV-2 structure in general is quite different from what humans would have likely concocted. If a human had wanted to create a viral weapon, he or she would have started with the structure of a virus that’s already known to cause illness in people. Naturally, if you want to make a weapon, you may want to start with something like a grenade launcher rather than a smoothie maker, not that the virus looks like either. Instead, the structure of SARS-CoV2 is quite similar to those of viruses known to infect bats and pangolins.

So there you have it: scientific evidence trumping conspiracy theories. Will all of these scientific findings finally quash the “virus-was-made-in-a-lab-and-it-is-your-fault” rhetoric between the politicians and on social media? Probably not. Since when has science stopped such political rhetoric. Maybe, though, it will get more people to focus on the much more important matter at hand: trying to control this pandemic together.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2 ... 8783053728

Spock, your theories would be more credible if you actually cited some medical or scientific authorities willing to go on record supporting them, rather than the usual right wing crackpots. Their track record in regard to the coronavirus in general is abysmal. As it is, this is on the level of pizzagate.

Good job SSS, after 30 seconds of internet research you have completely debunked all concerns about the Wuhan biolabs-You guys really do take your role as volunteer propagandists for the Chinese government very seriously.

[Spock]

Will everybody please stop polluting this thread and put the domestic politics in the other thread. This is a CHINA thread.

Speaking for myself, I'd consider it if you changed the thread's title to something that wasn't attempting to shift the blame from Donny's incompetent response to the pandemic. --Bob

I like the title-I don't plan to change it. All the more so-given the fact that you can't seem to stand it. For that matter, if a thread title on a dying message bored of a defunct game show bothers you that much-you might be a little tightly wound and taking this stuff way too seriously.

[Spock]

https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status ... 3500217350

A Senator Tom Cotton tweet with an embedded clip Tucker Carlson talking about the biolab.

I know they won't watch it but I will be totally SHOCKED when the MSNBC squirrel chasers here ridicule Fox News.

Remember Cotton has been looking at this angle for a long time.

[Spock]

Oh, that's right, SSS wanted me to list a scientist for the Wuhan lab stuff

https://summit.news/2020/04/03/molecula ... an-biolab/

Here is Richard H Ebright,"

>>>A molecular biologist proclaimed Thursday that the Chinese coronavirus could have originated at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and been leaked, leading to it’s horrific spread around the globe.

Richard H. Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, told The Daily Caller that he believes it is a distinct possibility that an accident in the laboratory in China could have caused the outbreak."<<<<

The following quote is especially important
>>>"While the professor has been cited by the likes of The Washington Post and MSNBC to dismiss theories about the virus being a bioweapon, the media has not covered his belief that the possibility of a lab accident being the source of the outbreak “cannot–and should not–be dismissed.”<<<

Personally, I am in the lab accident camp. I am not in the bio-weapon camp. A view that I hold in common with Senator Cotton

[Bob78164]

Oh, that's right, SSS wanted me to list a scientist for the Wuhan lab stuff

https://summit.news/2020/04/03/molecula ... an-biolab/

Here is Richard H Ebright,"

>>>A molecular biologist proclaimed Thursday that the Chinese coronavirus could have originated at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and been leaked, leading to it’s horrific spread around the globe.

Richard H. Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, told The Daily Caller that he believes it is a distinct possibility that an accident in the laboratory in China could have caused the outbreak."<<<<

The following quote is especially important
>>>"While the professor has been cited by the likes of The Washington Post and MSNBC to dismiss theories about the virus being a bioweapon, the media has not covered his belief that the possibility of a lab accident being the source of the outbreak “cannot–and should not–be dismissed.”<<<

Personally, I am in the lab accident camp. I am not in the bio-weapon camp. A view that I hold in common with Senator Cotton

Then you agree that Donny fucked up, with horrible consequences, when he took actions that blinded our ability to know what was going on within China? And in particular blinded our ability to detect epidemics in their earliest stages within China? --Bob

[Spock]

Oh, that's right, SSS wanted me to list a scientist for the Wuhan lab stuff

https://summit.news/2020/04/03/molecula ... an-biolab/

Here is Richard H Ebright,"

>>>A molecular biologist proclaimed Thursday that the Chinese coronavirus could have originated at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and been leaked, leading to it’s horrific spread around the globe.

Richard H. Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, told The Daily Caller that he believes it is a distinct possibility that an accident in the laboratory in China could have caused the outbreak."<<<<

The following quote is especially important
>>>"While the professor has been cited by the likes of The Washington Post and MSNBC to dismiss theories about the virus being a bioweapon, the media has not covered his belief that the possibility of a lab accident being the source of the outbreak “cannot–and should not–be dismissed.”<<<

Personally, I am in the lab accident camp. I am not in the bio-weapon camp. A view that I hold in common with Senator Cotton

It should also be noted that Ebright had the following tweet to Tom Cotton.
>>>>"I am pleased to hear you now distinguish between possibility virus was engineered bioweapon (which can be dismissed) and possibility virus entered human population through lab accident (which cannot--and should not--be dismissed)"<<<<<

[Bob Juch]

But, one would think that Bob#'s, as the big, self-purported science guy here, might at least be the tiniest bit interested in the Wuhan biological lab.

I'm not a "science guy," but I looked at your sources, and I have to say that the evidence that your handful of fringe twitter and youtube posters have put out there is certainly overwhelming. However, this is what the actual world scientific community has to say:

<SNIP>

Spock, your theories would be more credible if you actually cited some medical or scientific authorities willing to go on record supporting them, rather than the usual right wing crackpots. Their track record in regard to the coronavirus in general is abysmal. As it is, this is on the level of pizzagate.

He prefers that Rush does his thinking for him.

[Spock]

Oh, that's right, SSS wanted me to list a scientist for the Wuhan lab stuff

https://summit.news/2020/04/03/molecula ... an-biolab/

Here is Richard H Ebright,"

>>>A molecular biologist proclaimed Thursday that the Chinese coronavirus could have originated at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and been leaked, leading to it’s horrific spread around the globe.

Richard H. Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, told The Daily Caller that he believes it is a distinct possibility that an accident in the laboratory in China could have caused the outbreak."<<<<

The following quote is especially important
>>>"While the professor has been cited by the likes of The Washington Post and MSNBC to dismiss theories about the virus being a bioweapon, the media has not covered his belief that the possibility of a lab accident being the source of the outbreak “cannot–and should not–be dismissed.”<<<

Personally, I am in the lab accident camp. I am not in the bio-weapon camp. A view that I hold in common with Senator Cotton

Then you agree that Donny fucked up, with horrible consequences, when he took actions that blinded our ability to know what was going on within China? And in particular blinded our ability to detect epidemics in their earliest stages within China? --Bob

Yes dear, whatever you say dear.

[Spock]

But, one would think that Bob#'s, as the big, self-purported science guy here, might at least be the tiniest bit interested in the Wuhan biological lab.

I'm not a "science guy," but I looked at your sources, and I have to say that the evidence that your handful of fringe twitter and youtube posters have put out there is certainly overwhelming. However, this is what the actual world scientific community has to say:

<SNIP>

Spock, your theories would be more credible if you actually cited some medical or scientific authorities willing to go on record supporting them, rather than the usual right wing crackpots. Their track record in regard to the coronavirus in general is abysmal. As it is, this is on the level of pizzagate.

He prefers that Rush does his thinking for him.

Ooh,another constructive criticism from a MSNBC squirrel chaser.

Oh,by the way-note my post above re Dr. Ebright for a scientific perspective.

[silverscreenselect]

In reading what Ebright has to say, he just says you can't dismiss the possibility that the virus originated from the lab. And that's the equivalent of what happens in a trial in which the defense attorney cross-examines the expert witness and asks, "But isn't it possible that..." which of course the expert has to admit.

But let's get beyond that. Let's suppose for a minute that you are President, Spock. What do you propose to do about China? (We know what Trump's going to do, nothing) Tell them not to do it anymore. Sue them? Go to war? Just what?

This entire thread is an exercise in you feeling good about bashing evil foreigners.

[Spock]

This entire thread is an exercise in you feeling good about bashing evil foreigners.

You must see something different than I do in this thread. I can't hardly get a post in edgewise with all the anti-Spock posts in it. I have barely had a chance to even get started bashing evil foreigners.

Plus, I am totally lost as to how the stuff about the possibility of a lab accident at the Wuhan lab-where most of my posts are concentrated-could in any way be construed as "bashing evil foreigners." But, you do you, I guess.

[Spock]

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-mag ... ng-history

From the South China Morning Post

How China’s fake news machine is rewriting the history of Covid-19, even as the pandemic unfolds

[Bob Juch]

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-mag ... ng-history

From the South China Morning Post

How China’s fake news machine is rewriting the history of Covid-19, even as the pandemic unfolds

They also have this:

Coronavirus: Trump’s moves to hold medical supplies tip Trudeau to China

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united- ... pplies-tip

[Spock]

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-mag ... ng-history

From the South China Morning Post

How China’s fake news machine is rewriting the history of Covid-19, even as the pandemic unfolds

They also have this:

Coronavirus: Trump’s moves to hold medical supplies tip Trudeau to China

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united- ... pplies-tip

I have to say this is the absolute funniest thread I have been involved with here for a long time. I have 3 of the best straight guys of all time saying their lines perfectly.

[silverscreenselect]

I have to say this is the absolute funniest thread I have been involved with here for a long time. I have 3 of the best straight guys of all time saying their lines perfectly.

Your audience of 1 is amused.

By the way, you should read some of the old Fu Manchu books (or watch the movies) if you haven't I'm sure you'll get a big kick out of them.

[Spock]

I have to say this is the absolute funniest thread I have been involved with here for a long time. I have 3 of the best straight guys of all time saying their lines perfectly.

Your audience of 1 is amused.

By the way, you should read some of the old Fu Manchu books (or watch the movies) if you haven't I'm sure you'll get a big kick out of them.

Yes, my audience of 1 is very amused. You guys are the typical MSNBC squirrel chasers. You say exactly the same things as the Chinese government's propaganda arm does.

Why does it bother you so much that one person wants to look at the China angle in this? As I said to Bob#s, if one person looking at the China angle on the dying message board of a defunct game show bothers you so much-you might have the problem-not me.

[Spock]

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wuhan-virus/

China’s propaganda pandemic in an expanding timeline

>>"All official Chinese government propaganda is the official voice of the ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP). By following the propaganda lines with regime actions in chronological order, we can trace how the Xi Jinping regime responded to the coronavirus outbreak and weaponized it to attack the United States and divide its leaders.

We can then push back against Chinese propaganda, break through the regime’s disinformation and censorship inside China and here at home, and devise ways to hold the Communist Party responsible for the pandemic."<<<<