Here comes the Shutdown

[elwoodblues]

What could have happened that was so awful that it would cause Republicans to shut down the government and create hardships for thousands of people like Mrs. Buff?

Oh, right. More people have access to healthcare.

[DevilKitty100]

Mrs. Buff just got home...crying.

Crying?? Why?

[macrae1234]

Buffacuse wrote:
Mrs. Buff just got home...crying.

Crying?? Why?

Just a guess but losing a few days pay might have something to do with it

[flockofseagulls104]

But it was one Congress in 2008 that passed the bill (hijacked the process) in question without a single Republican vote . . . .

It's not hijacking the process to pass a bill by a majority vote (a supermajority in the Senate) and then have it signed by the President. It is hijacking the process to refuse to bring to the floor a bill that would pass by a majority vote if the members of the House had the opportunity to vote on it. --Bob

No, it was not hijacking the process. But this bill was passed by one brief congress that dems controlled all 3 branches. It was passed without one single republican vote, and many favors were passed out to get the votes needed among dems, and rules were finagled to get the desired result.

It is constantly being changed and amended by Obama (one man) without any action by Congress, which is supposed to make the laws.

The individual mandate was presented as a penalty to the Supreme Court, and John Roberts (one man) redefined it as a tax.

Harry Reid (one man) decides what the Senate votes on and what it doesn't.

Why then is it hijacking the process for the House of Reps to use the powers that are granted them in the Constitution to control the finances of government? Are they doing anything Unconstitutionally? How come the Constitution only applies to one side and not the other.

[DevilKitty100]

Buffacuse wrote:
Mrs. Buff just got home...crying.

Crying?? Why?

Just a guess but losing a few days pay might have something to do with it

Seriously?? There are some things I cry over.........but I'm pretty sure losing a few days' pay has never been one of them. Not to take this a whole new level of argumentativeness (if that's a word), but I think by the time you're middle-aged and pretty much locked into a career, you probably should have your finances (read that needs vs wants) in enough order that losing "a few days' pay" does not reduce you to shambles.

My philosophy for the last 30 or so years has been that any "problem" that money could fix is simply not a problem......it's the things in life that money cannot fix that are the problems. Money comes and money goes.

[macrae1234]

Why then is it hijacking the process for the House of Reps to use the powers that are granted them in the Constitution to control the finances of government? Are they doing anything Unconstitutionally? How come the Constitution only applies to one side and not the other.

If it is so clean and above board have 2 separate votes one for the financial issues and one for the health care issues, since funding for the Affordable Health Care Act is already in place.

I mean it is not an issue for me, I am a Canadian and can't vote and I have a job and an excellent health care plan

[Bob Juch]

Buffacuse wrote:
Mrs. Buff just got home...crying.

Crying?? Why?

Just a guess but losing a few days pay might have something to do with it

Seriously?? There are some things I cry over.........but I'm pretty sure losing a few days' pay has never been one of them. Not to take this a whole new level of argumentativeness (if that's a word), but I think by the time you're middle-aged and pretty much locked into a career, you probably should have your finances (read that needs vs wants) in enough order that losing "a few days' pay" does not reduce you to shambles.

My philosophy for the last 30 or so years has been that any "problem" that money could fix is simply not a problem......it's the things in life that money cannot fix that are the problems. Money comes and money goes.

Maybe it was being told she wasn't essential?

[DevilKitty100]

Just a guess but losing a few days pay might have something to do with it

Seriously?? There are some things I cry over.........but I'm pretty sure losing a few days' pay has never been one of them. Not to take this a whole new level of argumentativeness (if that's a word), but I think by the time you're middle-aged and pretty much locked into a career, you probably should have your finances (read that needs vs wants) in enough order that losing "a few days' pay" does not reduce you to shambles.

My philosophy for the last 30 or so years has been that any "problem" that money could fix is simply not a problem......it's the things in life that money cannot fix that are the problems. Money comes and money goes.

Maybe it was being told she wasn't essential?

Now that I'd probably cry about, too.

[Bob Juch]

Why then is it hijacking the process for the House of Reps to use the powers that are granted them in the Constitution to control the finances of government? Are they doing anything Unconstitutionally? How come the Constitution only applies to one side and not the other.

If it is so clean and above board have 2 separate votes one for the financial issues and one for the health care issues, since funding for the Affordable Health Care Act is already in place.

I mean it is not an issue for me, I am a Canadian and can't vote and I have a job and an excellent health care plan

The Republicans know they'd lose both votes.

[Sistine Fanny]

Seriously?? There are some things I cry over.........but I'm pretty sure losing a few days' pay has never been one of them. Not to take this a whole new level of argumentativeness (if that's a word), but I think by the time you're middle-aged and pretty much locked into a career, you probably should have your finances (read that needs vs wants) in enough order that losing "a few days' pay" does not reduce you to shambles.

My philosophy for the last 30 or so years has been that any "problem" that money could fix is simply not a problem......it's the things in life that money cannot fix that are the problems. Money comes and money goes.

Maybe it was being told she wasn't essential?

Now that I'd probably cry about, too.

Nobody is essential......

I don't know if Buffacuse ever intends to come off as entitled as he sometimes sounds, but welcome to the real world. A place where, essential or not, your ass doesn't get paid if:

Your company can't meet payroll (it's happened to me).

They close the branch/store/location where you work (it's happened to me).

You show up for work one morning to find the doors locked and the place cleared out with a sign that essentially says, "Sorry, suckas!" (it's happened to me).

At least on the last one I ended up getting paid eventually. For a lot of people who show up to an empty and locked workplace, that's not the case.

Once the governmental types get through bitchslapping each other, everybody goes back to work and paychecks and benefits resume. It doesn't work that way for most people......

[BackInTex]

You should be so proud.





And the sad thing is, I believe you are.

You are correct in that I am proud. You are wrong to be sad.

[BackInTex]

Here's the thing to remember: If Boehner would put a "clean" extension on the floor of the House for a vote, it would pass. That is why, in my opinion, it is entirely appropriate to put the blame for the shutdown squarely on the shoulders of the Tea Party Republicans who have hijacked the process. --Bob

Its what we voted them in for.

To subvert majority rule? --Bob

What majority rule has been subverted?

[Bob Juch]

You should be so proud.





And the sad thing is, I believe you are.

You are correct in that I am proud. You are wrong to be sad.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. The Republicans are insane.

[silverscreenselect]

You are correct in that I am proud. You are wrong to be sad.

I'm sure that when the Titanic pulled out of the harbor, the captain and the owners were proud at that moment too.

This is going to do the Republican Party far more damage than it will Obamacare.

[Bob78164]

Its what we voted them in for.

To subvert majority rule? --Bob

What majority rule has been subverted?

Boehner's refusal to put a clean extension on the floor for a vote is a clear subversion of majority rule. He won't do it because he knows it would pass, but would trigger a revolt by the more conservative members of his caucus, who constitute a majority of the Republican caucus but a minority of the House as a whole.

And let's not forget that approximately 1 million more votes were cast for Democratic House candidates in 2012 than for Republican House candidates. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

No final decision has been made yet whether this weekend's Navy-Air Force and Army-Boston College games will be played.

[silverscreenselect]

The individual mandate was presented as a penalty to the Supreme Court, and John Roberts (one man) redefined it as a tax.

Harry Reid (one man) decides what the Senate votes on and what it doesn't.

Funny how I don't hear you getting that upset when that same John Roberts is the deciding vote in a 5-4 conservative majority, or when John Boehner decides what the House votes on (like which version of the spending bills) and what it doesn't. And for your information, the Supreme Court is not required to decide cases on the grounds argued by the parties. There is a presumption in favor of constitutionality of any law, so if there is any grounds upon which the law can be upheld, it is the duty of the Court to do so. That's what judicial restraint means, which conservatives claim to be in favor of except when it's used to uphold a law they don't like.

Republicans could have had a say in Obamacare but they chose not to. I'm sure the Democrats would have made some concessions to get a bill that had some degree of bipartisan support. However, the Republicans were opposed to any type of health care bill which makes negotiating a moot point. Republicans can't at the same time choose to wash their hands of Obamacare and also complain they weren't allowed to participate in it.

[Buffacuse]

Maybe it was being told she wasn't essential?

Now that I'd probably cry about, too.

Nobody is essential......

I don't know if Buffacuse ever intends to come off as entitled as he sometimes sounds, but welcome to the real world. A place where, essential or not, your ass doesn't get paid if:

Your company can't meet payroll (it's happened to me).

They close the branch/store/location where you work (it's happened to me).

You show up for work one morning to find the doors locked and the place cleared out with a sign that essentially says, "Sorry, suckas!" (it's happened to me).

At least on the last one I ended up getting paid eventually. For a lot of people who show up to an empty and locked workplace, that's not the case.

Once the governmental types get through bitchslapping each other, everybody goes back to work and paychecks and benefits resume. It doesn't work that way for most people......

She came home crying because she loves her job and for awhile she can't do it. I don't feel entitled, and I've been on the receiving end too of shutdowns and layoffs. All I said was my wife cam home crying...for those who expressed compassion--thanks. For those who did not--thanks, also, you've made a decision I've been pondering a lot easier.

[earendel]

She came home crying because she loves her job and for awhile she can't do it. I don't feel entitled, and I've been on the receiving end too of shutdowns and layoffs. All I said was my wife cam home crying...for those who expressed compassion--thanks. For those who did not--thanks, also, you've made a decision I've been pondering a lot easier.

I hope this doesn't mean what I think it means.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

Today at the WWII Memorial




And the WWI Memorial



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[a1mamacat]

She came home crying because she loves her job and for awhile she can't do it. I don't feel entitled, and I've been on the receiving end too of shutdowns and layoffs. All I said was my wife cam home crying...for those who expressed compassion--thanks. For those who did not--thanks, also, you've made a decision I've been pondering a lot easier.

I hope this doesn't mean what I think it means.

Me too.

Buff, you need to remember that we are a hugely diverse community, and not everyone will agree with or support another point or even emotional investment in situations.

Pass over what you don't like, and contribute in what you do.

[silverscreenselect]

She came home crying because she loves her job and for awhile she can't do it. I don't feel entitled, and I've been on the receiving end too of shutdowns and layoffs. All I said was my wife cam home crying...for those who expressed compassion--thanks. For those who did not--thanks, also, you've made a decision I've been pondering a lot easier.

I hope this doesn't mean what I think it means.

Me too.

Buff, you need to remember that we are a hugely diverse community, and not everyone will agree with or support another point or even emotional investment in situations.

Pass over what you don't like, and contribute in what you do.

That's true. We've lost far too many people here; it's depressing to check back hours after you last posted and see your comment is still the most recent.

I'm sorry for anyone who gets caught up in these cutbacks, furloughs and layoffs. I've been through plenty myself.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

http://www.wwiimemorial.com/default.asp ... page=intro

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

To be consistent I should express outrage at the latest shutdown news, but I am weak.

Officials at the Gettysburg National Military Park have notified a Maryland-based branch of the Confederate White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan that a planned rally on the site of the historic Gettysburg Battlefield can’t happen because of the shutdown, reports WCAU.

The rally had been scheduled for Saturday from 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. on the battlefield where up to 50,000 Union and Confederate soldiers were killed or wounded.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/ku-kl ... z2gZvPrbNb

[silverscreenselect]

To be consistent I should express outrage at the latest shutdown news, but I am weak.

I noticed that the "Closed" signs made an exception for First Amendment activities; I wonder if the Klan's meeting would qualify?