RIH Osama Bin Laden

[Bob Juch]

I'm surprised that no one had noted that Hitler's death was announced on May 1st 66 years ago.

[DevilKitty100]

I'm surprised that no one had noted that Hitler's death was announced on May 1st 66 years ago.

I personally was saving it for you. Can't speak for the others.

[Bob78164]

I'm surprised that no one had noted that Hitler's death was announced on May 1st 66 years ago.

I personally was saving it for you. Can't speak for the others.

Does Godwin's law apply when the reference is at least arguably on topic? --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

Assumption that what happened was attributable to Bush and only to Bush (and by extension Reps or Conservatives) = propaganda.

Belief that what happened was not attributable to the Bush Administration = sticking one's head in the sand.

[Beebs52]

I'm surprised that no one had noted that Hitler's death was announced on May 1st 66 years ago.

I personally was saving it for you. Can't speak for the others.

Does Godwin's law apply when the reference is at least arguably on topic? --Bob

I say yes.

[flockofseagulls104]

Assumption that what happened was attributable to Bush and only to Bush (and by extension Reps or Conservatives) = propaganda.

Belief that what happened was not attributable to the Bush Administration = sticking one's head in the sand.

BANG BANG BANG .... OOOH My head hurts. I knew I shouldn't have responded to him....

[peacock2121]

I personally was saving it for you. Can't speak for the others.

Does Godwin's law apply when the reference is at least arguably on topic? --Bob

I say yes.

What beebs said.

[MarleysGh0st]

Does Godwin's law apply when the reference is at least arguably on topic? --Bob

Simply mentioning Hitler isn't an invocation of Godwin's Law. All I see here is a coincidental bit of trivia, not a comparison of individuals or a point of discussion.

[Beebs52]

Does Godwin's law apply when the reference is at least arguably on topic? --Bob

Simply mentioning Hitler isn't an invocation of Godwin's Law. All I see here is a coincidental bit of trivia, not a comparison of individuals or a point of discussion.

We disagree.

[T_Bone0806]

Personally, I think that if ANYTHING is worthy of a bi-partisan Woo-Hoo, this would be one that is.

If my team wins the World Series, I don't give a damn who the MVP is. I'm a Democrat, but I don't always tow the party line. And I guaran-damn-tee you that if GWB was still in the Oval Office when this happened, I wouldn't consider this any less of an accomplishment.

While this certainly isn't anywhere close to being the end of terrorism, it did achieve a major objective. There'll be more assholes to take his place, but this was one we needed to get, if only for the symbolic victory it gives us. Now, as Silver said, he will stand before the ultimate judge. All we did was speed up the trial for OBL.

[rayxtwo]

Here's my take on the whole thing.

I think that he was told by his doctors that was going to die pretty soon from his kidney problems. He moves into this house so he can be comfortable for the rest of his time. Now he feels that his death by U.S. hands makes him a myrtar but him dying from kidney failure just makes him dead. He tells the "trusted currier" that finked on him to tell us where is. We go kill him, and we look like the bad guy to the Muslim world. Now this guy gets his $25 million, and off he goes and lives it up?????

I don't think so. If this stooley really told where he was without Bin Laden saying it was OK, his entire family would be as good as dead. He could no more by a candy bar without getting his ass blown up. What I think is really going happen with the money it will go toward funding further terrorist attacks aginst us.

Don't let this guy fool you. He was a very smart person. Anyone that can talk someone into blowing themselves up, well...... This thing was well thought out by him and carried out just the way he planned it

Ray.

[peacock2121]

Here's my take on the whole thing.

I think that he was told by his doctors that was going to die pretty soon from his kidney problems. He moves into this house so he can be comfortable for the rest of his time. Now he feels that his death by U.S. hands makes him a myrtar but him dying from kidney failure just makes him dead. He tells the "trusted currier" that finked on him to tell us where is. We go kill him, and we look like the bad guy to the Muslim world. Now this guy gets his $25 million, and off he goes and lives it up?????

I don't think so. If this stooley really told where he was without Bin Laden saying it was OK, his entire family would be as good as dead. He could no more by a candy bar without getting his ass blown up. What I think is really going happen with the money it will go toward funding further terrorist attacks aginst us.

Don't let this guy fool you. He was a very smart person. Anyone that can talk someone into blowing themselves up, well...... This thing was well thought out by him and carried out just the way he planned it

Ray.

hmmmmm

I think there just might be some reality in that up there.

[ToLiveIsToFly]

Here's my take on the whole thing.

I think that he was told by his doctors that was going to die pretty soon from his kidney problems. He moves into this house so he can be comfortable for the rest of his time. Now he feels that his death by U.S. hands makes him a myrtar but him dying from kidney failure just makes him dead. He tells the "trusted currier" that finked on him to tell us where is. We go kill him, and we look like the bad guy to the Muslim world. Now this guy gets his $25 million, and off he goes and lives it up?????

I don't think so. If this stooley really told where he was without Bin Laden saying it was OK, his entire family would be as good as dead. He could no more by a candy bar without getting his ass blown up. What I think is really going happen with the money it will go toward funding further terrorist attacks aginst us.

Don't let this guy fool you. He was a very smart person. Anyone that can talk someone into blowing themselves up, well...... This thing was well thought out by him and carried out just the way he planned it

Ray.

hmmmmm

I think there just might be some reality in that up there.

I'm probably reading the news reports wrong. But what I thought I understood was that the courier didn't intentionally give him up. That other intelligence led them to the courier and they followed him around until they figured out what was going on. And that the courier died.

[peacock2121]

Here's my take on the whole thing.

I think that he was told by his doctors that was going to die pretty soon from his kidney problems. He moves into this house so he can be comfortable for the rest of his time. Now he feels that his death by U.S. hands makes him a myrtar but him dying from kidney failure just makes him dead. He tells the "trusted currier" that finked on him to tell us where is. We go kill him, and we look like the bad guy to the Muslim world. Now this guy gets his $25 million, and off he goes and lives it up?????

I don't think so. If this stooley really told where he was without Bin Laden saying it was OK, his entire family would be as good as dead. He could no more by a candy bar without getting his ass blown up. What I think is really going happen with the money it will go toward funding further terrorist attacks aginst us.

Don't let this guy fool you. He was a very smart person. Anyone that can talk someone into blowing themselves up, well...... This thing was well thought out by him and carried out just the way he planned it

Ray.

hmmmmm

I think there just might be some reality in that up there.

I'm probably reading the news reports wrong. But what I thought I understood was that the courier didn't intentionally give him up. That other intelligence led them to the courier and they followed him around until they figured out what was going on. And that the courier died.

I like that reality way better.

[silverscreenselect]

I'm probably reading the news reports wrong. But what I thought I understood was that the courier didn't intentionally give him up. That other intelligence led them to the courier and they followed him around until they figured out what was going on. And that the courier died.

We will never know how we really got him. If there were active assets around, like one of his neighbors or a Pakistani government official who ratted him out, they aren't going to say anything.

[lilclyde54]

I personally do not give one iota about who gets the political credit for taking bin laden out; I am just glad the he is no longer a danger to our country and our people.

[Flybrick]

First, let me offer my heartfelt sentiment of "Adios, MF!" to that SOB.

Second, I wish they'd simply heaved him overboard with no Muslim prayers, weighted down with a couple belts of pork sausage. To those that want to just let this go by or criticize those who take it personally, may I simply offer an anatomical impossibility with yourself. I was chased out of the Pentagon on 9/11 and I take this damned seriously. Tough if you don't like it.

Third, I also commend President Obama for giving the go ahead for this mission. (Although can you imagine the backlash when, not if, this opportunity wasn't taken and was leaked?) That aside is not meant to detract from the President's decision. I genuinely do commend him for it.

Fourth, anyone who thinks this is simply because of President Obama is just niave. This manhunt has been going since 9/12 and the pieces finally fell together. Again, good on the President to be the one in the saddle when it occurred. Lots and lots of men and women have been hard at this for a long time. They are the ones who deserve the real credit.

I do not think it will guarentee him the election come 2012 as many are saying. If gas prices and unemployment are still both high come November 2012, even Trump could get elected.

Finally, the White House is once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_fog_of_war

Some of the President's advisors and staff are trying to appear all "Dirty Harry" and are botching the story. Anyone involved with any kind of event, let alone a special forces raid where the facts are both concealed for operational security going in and vetted extremely carefully before letting details that might work again and/or reveal good guys, knows that the first reports are always wrong. The inexperience and buffoonery of the White House staff is throwing this good news away for the President.

Come out, say we got him, and that the details will be released in a few days.

Instead, egos got involved and chased cameras and mics.

The gang that couldn't shoot straight.

Except, of course, for the SEAL who put a bullet in bin Laden's brain.

I'd like to buy that guy a beer for life.

[Bob Juch]

First, let me offer my heartfelt sentiment of "Adios, MF!" to that SOB.

Second, I wish they'd simply heaved him overboard with no Muslim prayers, weighted down with a couple belts of pork sausage. To those that want to just let this go by or criticize those who take it personally, may I simply offer an anatomical impossibility with yourself. I was chased out of the Pentagon on 9/11 and I take this damned seriously. Tough if you don't like it.

Third, I also commend President Obama for giving the go ahead for this mission. (Although can you imagine the backlash when, not if, this opportunity wasn't taken and was leaked?) That aside is not meant to detract from the President's decision. I genuinely do commend him for it.

Fourth, anyone who thinks this is simply because of President Obama is just naive. This manhunt has been going since 9/12 and the pieces finally fell together. Again, good on the President to be the one in the saddle when it occurred. Lots and lots of men and women have been hard at this for a long time. They are the ones who deserve the real credit.

I do not think it will guarentee him the election come 2012 as many are saying. If gas prices and unemployment are still both high come November 2012, even Trump could get elected.

Finally, the White House is once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_fog_of_war

Some of the President's advisers and staff are trying to appear all "Dirty Harry" and are botching the story. Anyone involved with any kind of event, let alone a special forces raid where the facts are both concealed for operational security going in and vetted extremely carefully before letting details that might work again and/or reveal good guys, knows that the first reports are always wrong. The inexperience and buffoonery of the White House staff is throwing this good news away for the President.

Come out, say we got him, and that the details will be released in a few days.

Instead, egos got involved and chased cameras and mics.

The gang that couldn't shoot straight.

Except, of course, for the SEAL who put a bullet in bin Laden's brain.

I'd like to buy that guy a beer for life.

My sources say they did not know Bin Laden was ever in the compound. All they knew is that there was a "high value" target there.

[_ARMENIAN_]

First, let me offer my heartfelt sentiment of "Adios, MF!" to that SOB.

Second, I wish they'd simply heaved him overboard with no Muslim prayers, weighted down with a couple belts of pork sausage. To those that want to just let this go by or criticize those who take it personally, may I simply offer an anatomical impossibility with yourself. I was chased out of the Pentagon on 9/11 and I take this damned seriously. Tough if you don't like it.

Third, I also commend President Obama for giving the go ahead for this mission. (Although can you imagine the backlash when, not if, this opportunity wasn't taken and was leaked?) That aside is not meant to detract from the President's decision. I genuinely do commend him for it.

Fourth, anyone who thinks this is simply because of President Obama is just naive. This manhunt has been going since 9/12 and the pieces finally fell together. Again, good on the President to be the one in the saddle when it occurred. Lots and lots of men and women have been hard at this for a long time. They are the ones who deserve the real credit.

I do not think it will guarentee him the election come 2012 as many are saying. If gas prices and unemployment are still both high come November 2012, even Trump could get elected.

Finally, the White House is once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_fog_of_war

Some of the President's advisers and staff are trying to appear all "Dirty Harry" and are botching the story. Anyone involved with any kind of event, let alone a special forces raid where the facts are both concealed for operational security going in and vetted extremely carefully before letting details that might work again and/or reveal good guys, knows that the first reports are always wrong. The inexperience and buffoonery of the White House staff is throwing this good news away for the President.

Come out, say we got him, and that the details will be released in a few days.

Instead, egos got involved and chased cameras and mics.

The gang that couldn't shoot straight.

Except, of course, for the SEAL who put a bullet in bin Laden's brain.

I'd like to buy that guy a beer for life.

My sources say they did not know Bin Laden was ever in the compound. All they knew is that there was a "high value" target there.

SHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Flybrick]

Whew, thanks for clearing that up.

I'm sure that highly trained special operators plan an operation, go well into harm's way, and risk it all because "somebody's" there. Can't tell you, you'll figure it out on the ground, with bullets flying, and surrounded by another nation's military who might not take kindly to you being there in the first place. Oh, and do it in a hurry, please.

"Somebody" indeed.

[DevilKitty100]

First, let me offer my heartfelt sentiment of "Adios, MF!" to that SOB.

Second, I wish they'd simply heaved him overboard with no Muslim prayers, weighted down with a couple belts of pork sausage. To those that want to just let this go by or criticize those who take it personally, may I simply offer an anatomical impossibility with yourself. Tough if you don't like it.

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the guy. Royally.

And now that we're all adither about whether it's right to celebrate, rejoice or dance in the streets over his delayed departure, where in the hell were all the bleeding hearts all these years when he was wanted DEAD or at best, barely alive. I truly don't recall any faction calling for any kind of mercy for his pursuit or what should ultimately happen to him, or courtesies afforded him, when his maggot magnet ass could finally be found. Truly, where were they???

I'm thinking it wouldn't have been so fashionable or socially acceptable to be announcing that in polite company. Yeah, I can just hear it now....."Hey, John, I sure do hope that nobody gets all giddy if somebody puts a cap in OBL ass 'cause that would just be wrong. After all, even OBL is a human." NOT.

Give me a fucking break. Please.

[franktangredi]

And now that we're all adither about whether it's right to celebrate, rejoice or dance in the streets over his delayed departure, where in the hell were all the bleeding hearts all these years when he was wanted DEAD or at best, barely alive. I truly don't recall any faction calling for any kind of mercy for his pursuit or what should ultimately happen to him, or courtesies afforded him, when his maggot magnet ass could finally be found. Truly, where were they???

I don't think a single person was suggesting that they felt sympathy for him, that any mercy should have been shown him, or that it was wrong to take him out.

This question of whether or not to dance in the streets has nothing whatsoever to do with HIM. And the use of the term 'bleeding hearts' is a cheap cliche, a way to avoid understanding what people are actually SAYING. Nobody's heart is bleeding for Osama bin Laden.

Do you think BiT could EVER be described as a bleeding heart?

[DevilKitty100]

And now that we're all adither about whether it's right to celebrate, rejoice or dance in the streets over his delayed departure, where in the hell were all the bleeding hearts all these years when he was wanted DEAD or at best, barely alive. I truly don't recall any faction calling for any kind of mercy for his pursuit or what should ultimately happen to him, or courtesies afforded him, when his maggot magnet ass could finally be found. Truly, where were they???

I don't think a single person was suggesting that they felt sympathy for him, that any mercy should have been shown him, or that it was wrong to take him out.

This question of whether or not to dance in the streets has nothing whatsoever to do with HIM. And the use of the term 'bleeding hearts' is a cheap cliche, a way to avoid understanding what people are actually SAYING. Nobody's heart is bleeding for Osama bin Laden.

Do you think BiT could EVER be described as a bleeding heart?

No. BiT's heart is in good shape, but I think he caved a little.


And you're responding to a point I didn't make. The hearts are bleeding regarding how some people are responding to his death. I don't recall ever hearing previously what should be the appropriate response to his demise.

[franktangredi]

No. BiT's heart is in good shape, but I think he caved a little.

I don't think he caved. I think he remained true to the most difficult teaching of his faith. You may not agree with that faith, but you can't fault him for trying to live up to it.

God knows BiT and I have had some very heated disagreements in the past. But I admire him for what he said about this.

I fully understand why there are plenty of people who feel like celebrating. I don't fault anyone for that, even though it's not my own reaction.

[silverscreenselect]

My sources say they did not know Bin Laden was ever in the compound. All they knew is that there was a "high value" target there.

I highly doubt your "sources" actually had anything to do with this raid. The people who went on the raid and those who briefed them are not going to blab to the Huffington Post the day after the mission. And it makes no sense whatsoever to send troops on a highly dangerous mission like this deep in enemy territory without identifying their target for the simple reason that they needed to know who to go after and whether to conduct a search in case bin Laden was hiding in a closet somewhere once the shooting started.