Renegade

[Beebs52]

oh, for the love of... after everything written and explained above, you think Fanny IS saying Cal is racist?

I think every one of us is capable making a racist statement. I said in my head, it's wrong that Fanny immediately assumed a racist slur against Obama was Cal's intent with his "the jig is up" comment. Frankly, until he posted it, I didn't get the Styx connection to renegade, being musically ignorant myself. As stated, I believe it is part of what it seems to me has become rather a pervasive attitude around here that certain posters are fair game, and everything they say (type) should be automatically assumed to mean the worst possible connotation. Now you have .04.


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Rec. And, please note the signature line-tgirlie's, that is. It applies at time, folks.

[secondchance]

I am convinced that Cal's quip had no racial overtones whatsovever. Fanny felt the need to enlighten him based on her life experience. His explanation should have made it go away. An apology is debatable. Innocent statements posted for quick humor seem to get blown way out of proportion lately, such as the dog/heaven comment the other day.

Last month at my doctor's office, the lovely, black receptionist was showing me single photos of her family members, and then there was one big group shot. I said something so stupid, an innocent flub, but something which as soon as it passed through my lips I could have kicked myself... l said, "oh cool, a shot with the whole clan!" I ignored it, smiling, as did she... but I still wonder if she even noticed it, if it upset or bothered her, if I appeared ignorant, if it's something she laughed about with her family, or if it passed without a second thought... I wish I wasn't still worried about it.

[TheCalvinator24]

I am convinced that Cal's quip had no racial overtones whatsovever. Fanny felt the need to enlighten him based on her life experience. His explanation should have made it go away. An apology is debatable. Innocent statements posted for quick humor seem to get blown way out of proportion lately, such as the dog/heaven comment the other day.

Last month at my doctor's office, the lovely, black receptionist was showing me single photos of her family members, and then there was one big group shot. I said something so stupid, an innocent flub, but something which as soon as it passed through my lips I could have kicked myself... l said, "oh cool, a shot with the whole clan!" I ignored it, smiling, as did she... but I still wonder if she even noticed it, if it upset or bothered her, if I appeared ignorant, if it's something she laughed about with her family, or if it passed without a second thought... I wish I wasn't still worried about it.

Ya see, as a person of Scots-Irish ancestry, I refuse to allow a bunch of racist jerks to take a perfectly good word like clan away from me.

[Rexer25]

Rec. And, please note the signature line-tgirlie's, that is. It applies at time, folks.

This is true of most signature lines. Except mine. Which is true all the time.

[tlynn78]

I wish I wasn't still worried about it

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It's an extremely unfortunate (at least) part of our history. THings are changing, which is good, but change takes time. I know what you mean, though. My grandson is part black. I was worried how my dad would react (he's had to relearn a lot of things in his lifetime), but they are best buds. My in-laws, on the other hand, have yet to acknowledge him. Each time I make some comment about his beautiful curls or his amazing skin, they act like it's the first time they've heard of his mixed ethnicity. I am heartened by what I see when Jayden interacts with his cousins - the complete acceptance of one another's differences as a matter of simple fact. As my 5-year old niece says, "I have long hair, Jilly has freckles, and Jayden has light brown skin, but we all love cookies, Aunt Terry." There is hope.


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[Appa23]

No one is debating whether "jig" can be a racial epithet.

um... weren't you, earlier?

No. I was arguing that the phrase "The jig is up" was not racist.

Once the lyrics were posted, I really did not see where anyone could think that Cal was posting something racial. (To answer Skoop in her post, I was not clear if the lyrics had some hidden meaning, which is why I asked those familiar with the song to note such a thing.)

[Bob Juch]

This all reminds me of Washington, D.C. Public Advocate David Howardbeing fired for using the word "niggardly".

[TheCalvinator24]

Another irony that just hit me. There's a Justice of the Peace here in Dallas whom you may have heard about getting offended by someone referring to a Black Hole.

He also takes offense at the word renege.

Renege comes from the same root as renegade.

[danielh41]

Another irony that just hit me. There's a Justice of the Peace here in Dallas whom you may have heard about getting offended by someone referring to a Black Hole.

He also takes offense at the word renege.

Renege comes from the same root as renegade.

I remember seeing the "black hole" story. That was Dallas County Commisioner John Wiley Price who seems to thrive on stoking racial disharmony. How he keeps getting elected to that position has baffled me for years.

[TheCalvinator24]

Another irony that just hit me. There's a Justice of the Peace here in Dallas whom you may have heard about getting offended by someone referring to a Black Hole.

He also takes offense at the word renege.

Renege comes from the same root as renegade.

I remember seeing the "black hole" story. That was Dallas County Commisioner John Wiley Price who seems to thrive on stoking racial disharmony. How he keeps getting elected to that position has baffled me for years.

Commissioner Price was the one who got most of the press because he is more high profile, but the JP was much more vocal and adamant.

[silverscreenselect]

One good thing about Obama's election is that it will give a certain type of person four more years of enjoyment searching through every single criticism of Obama looking to find a possible context or construction that can be labelled racist. And the more unpopular he gets and the more criticism he receives, the more source material they'll have to go through.

Ironically, the biggest code word in politics today is now "RACIST" because it is now an all-encompassing shorthand version of "critical of Obama."

[MarleysGh0st]

One good thing about Obama's election is that it will give a certain type of person four more years of enjoyment searching through every single criticism of Obama looking to find a possible context or construction that can be labelled..."

Pot, this is Kettle.

Give it a rest, SSS!

[DevilKitty100]

I'm wondering where "gettin' jiggy" that is or was everywhere for so long figures into today's tempest in a teapot. Does it make a difference if you're black or white if these utterances can cross your lips without getting you hamstringed?

And by the by, Fannie can eat shit and die.

[clem21]

I'm wondering where "gettin' jiggy" that is or was everywhere for so long figures into today's tempest in a teapot. Does it make a difference if you're black or white if these utterances can cross your lips without getting you hamstringed?

And by the by, Fannie can eat shit and die.

No she can't, what is that???


Fanny could never eat shit.

[DevilKitty100]

I'm wondering where "gettin' jiggy" that is or was everywhere for so long figures into today's tempest in a teapot. Does it make a difference if you're black or white if these utterances can cross your lips without getting you hamstringed?

And by the by, Fannie can eat shit and die.

No she can't, what is that???


Fanny could never eat shit.

Hang around 7 or 8 more years and you'll catch on to the dynamics. They're often subtle. Much like myself.

[clem21]

I'm wondering where "gettin' jiggy" that is or was everywhere for so long figures into today's tempest in a teapot. Does it make a difference if you're black or white if these utterances can cross your lips without getting you hamstringed?

And by the by, Fannie can eat shit and die.

No she can't, what is that???


Fanny could never eat shit.

Hang around 7 or 8 more years and you'll catch on to the dynamics. They're often subtle. Much like myself.

No, I'm capable of forming my own opinions, thanks very much. I don't need to catch on to any dynamics to know the difference between a civilized(-ish) argument and flat out nastiness. I sincerely hope you were joking.

[DevilKitty100]

No she can't, what is that???


Fanny could never eat shit.

Hang around 7 or 8 more years and you'll catch on to the dynamics. They're often subtle. Much like myself.

No, I'm capable of forming my own opinions, thanks very much. I don't need to catch on to any dynamics to know the difference between a civilized(-ish) argument and flat out nastiness. I sincerely hope you were joking.

I wasn't.

[Estonut]

I think the whole "jig" thing is a matter of age. When I was in high school, it was already going out of use as a racial slur. However, you still occasionally hear the longer version "jigaboo" used as with racial connotations, such as in Spike Lee's movie School Daze.

I have seen the Irish band the Chieftains perform on many occasions. They always bring along special guests to open the shows and join them onstage later. They bring along professional step-dancers and also invite local step-dance students to join them onstage.

One time, a well-known Irish singer (who I can't recall right now) was replaced at a show by Michelle Shocked. I was a bit disappointed, as I really wanted to see the other singer, and I wasn't all that into MS, who only had the campfire album out at the time.

Her performance was the most informative concert I've ever seen (and I've seen lots of 'em). She stayed on theme with Irish music. She said that the term "Jigaboo" derived from the Irish minstrels who wore blackface and performed their native jigs. She also claimed that many church spirituals derived from jigs performed by these minstrels. She played a well-known spiritual and then played it again in double-time, and you could hear the jig in it. It was amazing.

[TheConfessor]

Gosh, I'm sorry I started this nasty little thread. I'm pretty oblivious to whatever dynamics and subtexts underlie some of the comments. I was just trying to point out a trivia factoid that will probably come up at some point in the future.

I like word games as much as anyone, but this discussion breaks new ground. Who knew that a jig-saw puzzle could turn into a cross-words puzzle?

[danielh41]

Gosh, I'm sorry I started this nasty little thread. I'm pretty oblivious to whatever dynamics and subtexts underlie some of the comments. I was just trying to point out a trivia factoid that will probably come up at some point in the future.

I like word games as much as anyone, but this discussion breaks new ground. Who knew that a jig-saw puzzle could turn into a cross-words puzzle?

It's just more evidence of political correctness run amok. You can't say anything anymore without someone, somewhere taking offense to it.

[silverscreenselect]

I distinctly remember when I first learned a particular four letter word beginning with F. I was in the second grade and I had no idea what it meant and no real idea what was involved in the activity the word described, but when another kid said it and I heard it, I thought it was a neat-sounding word (back in the 1960's, this word never came up in the conversations, literature or TV or movies that a second grader was exposed to), so I started singing it out loud repeatedly in the lunchroom.

After being sent home and later having my mouth washed out with soap, I learned not to use the word in public, but it still took me a few more years to learn exactly what it meant.

[Estonut]

I distinctly remember when I first learned a particular four letter word beginning with F. I was in the second grade and I had no idea what it meant and no real idea what was involved in the activity the word described, but when another kid said it and I heard it, I thought it was a neat-sounding word (back in the 1960's, this word never came up in the conversations, literature or TV or movies that a second grader was exposed to), so I started singing it out loud repeatedly in the lunchroom.

After being sent home and later having my mouth washed out with soap, I learned not to use the word in public, but it still took me a few more years to learn exactly what it meant.

Flag?

[Bob Juch]

One good thing about Obama's election is that it will give a certain type of person four more years of enjoyment searching through every single criticism of Obama looking to find a possible context or construction that can be labelled..."

Pot, this is Kettle.

Give it a rest, SSS!

Who are you calling blacker, Kettle?! That's racist!

[silvercamaro]

A council in Wales has recommended that the word "British" be avoided, because it is offensive to some people. "The idea of 'British' implies a false sense of unity – many Scots, Welsh and Irish resist being called British and the land denoted by the term contains a wide variety of cultures, languages and religions."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ities.html

I'm reasonably sure that all of us soon will have to stop speaking English entirely, when it's determined that no remaining words remain inoffensive to somebody.

[Bob Juch]

A council in Wales has recommended that the word "British" be avoided, because it is offensive to some people. "The idea of 'British' implies a false sense of unity – many Scots, Welsh and Irish resist being called British and the land denoted by the term contains a wide variety of cultures, languages and religions."

And call them English at risk to your life.