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Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
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Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
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Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
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Well, I got the first hint today about how the Times plans to monetize Wordle. I'm not a subscriber but I get daily emails from them. Today, I got one advertising something called Wordlebot. From the email:silverscreenselect wrote: βTue Feb 01, 2022 11:05 amMy guess is that there will be ads initially and then bonuses for subscribers to the paper such as access to previous games and extra games they can play each day. There are still a lot of word app games that offer one new free game a day (I play some of them) with the option to buy more if you want.earendel wrote: βTue Feb 01, 2022 6:31 amThe article in the NYT says that Wordle will "initially be free to play". Gotta monetize it somehow, so expect either ads or a subscription. Glad I never caught the bug.Beebs52 wrote: βMon Jan 31, 2022 4:49 pmhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thever ... cquisition
NYTimes buying it
Unfortunately, the link was behind a paywall so I couldn't access the article that describes Wordlebot in more detail.WordleBot is a tool that will take your completed Wordle and analyze it, giving you scores for luck and skill on a scale from 0 to 99 and telling you at each turn what, if anything, you could have done differently.
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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
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I've seen plenty of analyses of baseball and football, and they don't make the games more enjoyable for me. YMMDsilverscreenselect wrote: βThu May 05, 2022 8:34 amWell, I got the first hint today about how the Times plans to monetize Wordle. I'm not a subscriber but I get daily emails from them. Today, I got one advertising something called Wordlebot. From the email:
WordleBot is a tool that will take your completed Wordle and analyze it, giving you scores for luck and skill on a scale from 0 to 99 and telling you at each turn what, if anything, you could have done differently.
Here's another Times article that I can read (because I haven't used my quota of free articles in May):Unfortunately, the link was behind a paywall so I couldn't access the article that describes Wordlebot in more detail.
Introducing WordleBot, the Upshotβs Daily Wordle Companion
NY Times wrote:Introducing WordleBot, the Upshotβs Daily Wordle Companion
It will tell you how skillful or lucky you were, and it could help improve your results.
By Josh Katz and Matthew Conlen
Josh Katz, a trained statistician, is keeping a 100-day Wordle streak alive. Matthew Conlen, who has a Ph.D. in computer science, is happy to have an algorithm solve it for him on some days.
What is it?
WordleBot is a tool that will take your completed Wordle and analyze it for you. It will give you overall scores for luck and skill on a scale from 0 to 99 and tell you at each turn what, if anything, you could have done differently β if solving Wordles in as few steps as possible is your goal.
How do I use it?
Itβs very easy. First, play Wordle. Then visit the Wordle Companion, ideally using the same device and web browser.
How does it work (short version please)?
Every Wordle game starts with one of 2,309 possible solutions as the hidden word. At each turn, WordleBot chooses the word that will allow it to solve the game in as few steps as possible, assuming any of the remaining solutions are equally likely. It keeps doing this until only one solution remains β the right answer.
Why did you make it?
Months ago, before The New York Times bought Wordle, we, like many others, began wondering about the best starting word. It seemed like a straightforward mathematical question β yet every person who approached the problem seemed to come up with a different answer.
WordleBot started as an attempt to settle this question once and for all. But along the way we realized that (a) the answer was more complicated than it seemed; and that (b) we were more interested in how closely our guesses matched those that would be chosen by a machine designed to solve Wordles.
Thus, WordleBot was born.
OK, so whatβs in it for me?
We hope the botβs advice will help you think about Wordle more analytically, which will help you get better at solving the puzzles in the long run.
In addition, it may serve as a tiebreaker of sorts for those of you involved in competitive text chains with friends and family. If a Wordle took you five turns but you answered more efficiently than your friends, WordleBot may provide some bragging rights. If you did everything right and were simply unlucky, it will tell you that too.
Weβll leave it to you to decide which is more important.
So whatβs the best opening word?
WordleBot solves the 2,309 possible Wordles using the fewest number of guesses when it starts with CRANE in normal mode and DEALT in βhard mode.β
This may surprise some readers, who have seen, in various places across the internet, people claim that words like IRATE, SALET or RAISE are the best openers. The truth is that it depends exactly how youβre playing and whether you are a human or a computer.
The various Wordle algorithms all take slightly different approaches in how they solve the puzzle. Some start with knowledge of the solution list; others do not. Some allow any of the almost 13,000 five-letter English words as valid guesses; others (like WordleBot) use a smaller set. We restricted WordleBot to about 4,500 words that are more common among English speakers β it didnβt seem particularly helpful for a piece of software to recommend words like VOEMA, CUSSO, SKATT or ZEBUB.
Apart from all that, itβs worth noting that the perfect opening word for a computer isnβt necessarily the perfect opening word for you. WordleBot has perfect knowledge of the 2,309 solutions stored in its memory. Itβs likely that you do not. So while the bot might know the precise optimal path to take from a given guess, itβs possible that you might not and that a different guess would be more likely to lead you to the answer.
More important, unless youβre playing in hard mode, every game of Wordle is solvable regardless of which word you choose first. So go ahead, start with FUZZY, we wonβt stop you. (And note: WordleBot ignores your first guess when calculating your overall skill score. Be free.)
Will WordleBot spoil the Wordle solution?
No. WordleBot will never analyze an incomplete game; it will give you advice only for completed Wordles.
Which Wordles will WordleBot analyze?
By default, it will analyze whichever Wordle youβve completed most recently on your device, if you have cookies enabled in your web browser. But you can also upload a screenshot of any completed Wordle β even if itβs from months ago, provided youβve saved the screenshot β and it will analyze that for you instead.
Does WordleBot know the answer already?
No. It knows the full list of solutions, but nothing more. It also doesnβt know whether a Wordle solution has already been used.
Does WordleBot ever fail to solve a Wordle?
No. The bot solves all Wordles in six turns or fewer.
I play in βhard mode.β Will it work for me?
Yes. The bot will give advice on your Wordle however you play. But hard mode presents a challenge.
It complicates things from a computational perspective: While eliminating the largest number of solutions with each guess is a tempting approach, it isnβt always the best idea. WordleBot needs to think several steps in advance to make sure that itβs eliminating solutions now and wonβt get stuck in a losing position later.
For modern computers, this additional complexity is nothing to worry about, but we are somewhat constrained by the computing power of some smartphones and the amount of time we can reasonably expect you to wait for the botβs analysis to load.
As a result, we did have to make some small shortcuts for the bot to analyze games in hard mode. In particular, itβs not always the best at knowing when it might be stumbling into a situation where there are more possible solutions than there are valid guesses remaining to differentiate them. In some cases, other guesses might have avoided these hard mode traps.
All this means is that the version of WordleBot thatβs powered by a supercomputer would probably differ slightly from the version that runs in your phone, but the differences are mostly minor and we donβt suggest worrying about them.
Wait β is WordleBot running on a supercomputer somewhere?
No. It does all of its calculations on demand, on your smartphone or computer.
Is it possible to beat the Bot?
Absolutely. Itβs hard to solve more efficiently than the bot, but quite easy to be luckier.
Will this affect my Wordle streak?
No.
Will this change anything about Wordle?
No. It may change how you play Wordle, but itβs completely independent of Wordle itself.
What does the skill measure actually mean?
A skill score of 99 is what WordleBot assigns to its chosen word at any given step. In its view, this is the most efficient choice to make to solve the puzzle in as few guesses as possible, averaged over all possible remaining solutions.
A skill score of zero is what you get if you just skipped a turn altogether. (While itβs impossible to actually skip a turn in Wordle, you can get the same effect by guessing a word youβve already guessed: You lose a turn and you donβt learn anything new about the possible solution.)
Your skill score measures how close you were to the botβs chosen word relative to the worst word you could have picked for that turn.
What does the luck measure actually mean?
Suppose, for example, you guess CRANE on your first turn. The best thing that could happen would be if the hidden word were actually CRANE β you would solve the Wordle in one guess. Thatβs obviously very lucky.
The worst result would be five gray squares; you would be left with 263 possible solutions to sift through. Considering that 89 percent of the solutions share at least one letter with CRANE, that result would be very unlucky, despite a strategically sound choice.
Our luck measurements represent how unexpected the outcomes of your guesses are, conditional on what weβd expect, on average, given what we know about the solution at that time.
How do you decide what makes one guess βbetterβ than another?
Maybe youβre familiar with the game Guess Who, a popular two-person board game in which players use yes-or-no questions to try to guess the identity of their opponentβs hidden character. A guess like βdoes your person wear glasses?β divides the remaining possibilities into two groups: people who wear glasses and people who donβt. You get only one piece of information with each guess.
Itβs similar with Wordle, but guesses can reveal much more information: Each letter of each guess can turn green, yellow or gray. That means a guess could theoretically divide solutions into up to 243 different groups (three to the fifth power, or 3^5, for the mathematically inclined). Realistically, because not every combination of letters is a valid word in English, a guess can divide solutions into 150 different groups at most, found by guessing TRACE on the opening guess.
In general, as a solver, you want your guesses to divide the possible solutions into as many groups as possible.
Hereβs an example. Suppose, with your previous guesses, youβve narrowed the possible solutions to five: BATCH, CATCH, LATCH, MATCH or PATCH. What should you guess next?
If you guess BATCH, youβll divide the remaining solutions into two groups:
ββββββββPotential solutionβββββObserved clue
Group 1βββββBATCHβββββββββ
Group 2βββββCATCH orββββββββ
βββββββββLATCH orββββββββ
βββββββββMATCH orββββββββ
βββββββββPATCHβββββββββ
If the hidden word is BATCH, great! But if it isnβt β which is the more likely outcome β youβre stuck with four possible solutions.
A smarter guess would divide these groups more efficiently, putting you in a position to solve the puzzle regardless of luck. Here, WordleBot would guess BLIMP. See how that changes the picture:
ββββββββPotential solutionβββββObserved clue
Group 1βββββBATCHβββββββββ
Group 2βββββCATCHβββββββββ
Group 3βββββLATCHβββββββββ
Group 4βββββMATCHβββββββββ
Group 5βββββPATCHβββββββββ
With this approach, you divide the solutions into five groups of one word each. Youβd be guaranteed to get the answer on your next turn!
Why does WordleBot sometimes tell me my guess wasnβt a valid solution?
When Josh Wardle created Wordle, he and his partner, Palak Shah, picked a subset of the roughly 13,000 valid five-letter English words to be potential solutions, meaning that many guesses, while perfectly adequate words in English, are not Wordle solutions. (Many plural forms of nouns, for example, are excluded from the solutions list.) WordleBot knows the full solutions list, and if you guess a word that isnβt on it, it will tell you.
I played Wordle today, but WordleBot canβt seem to find it. Why not?
It may be because youβre using a different web browser to play Wordle than you are in using the Wordle companion. (When you complete a dayβs Wordle, your guesses and preferences are stored in a small file on your device called a βcookie,β and the information in that cookie is not, at the moment, stored across different devices or browsers.) So you can either make sure to use WordleBot on the same device you play Wordle on, or upload a screenshot of your Wordle to WordleBot instead.
Where can I learn more about the math?
Many mathematicians and programmers have tackled this problem, but weβd recommend watching Grant Sandersonβs 30-minute video on solving Wordle with information theory.
His (shorter) follow-up video, where he lands on SALET as the optimal opener, is also worth watching.
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I don't need Wordlebot to tell me I messed this one up.
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Thanks, Jarnon.
Not surprisingly, Wordlebot is behind the NYT paywall.
These algorithms all value the letter "C" much higher than I do. I may have to start changing my second round strategy.
Not surprisingly, Wordlebot is behind the NYT paywall.
All these algorithms start with information I don't have, namely the 2309 possible solutions. Having that and using a process of elimination, you're guaranteed to get Number 2309 in one guess.Every Wordle game starts with one of 2,309 possible solutions as the hidden word. At each turn, WordleBot chooses the word that will allow it to solve the game in as few steps as possible, assuming any of the remaining solutions are equally likely. It keeps doing this until only one solution remains β the right answer.
These algorithms all value the letter "C" much higher than I do. I may have to start changing my second round strategy.
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My starting word has a C in it. Wordlebot says it one of the best.silverscreenselect wrote: βFri May 06, 2022 2:48 amThanks, Jarnon.
Not surprisingly, Wordlebot is behind the NYT paywall.
All these algorithms start with information I don't have, namely the 2309 possible solutions. Having that and using a process of elimination, you're guaranteed to get Number 2309 in one guess.Every Wordle game starts with one of 2,309 possible solutions as the hidden word. At each turn, WordleBot chooses the word that will allow it to solve the game in as few steps as possible, assuming any of the remaining solutions are equally likely. It keeps doing this until only one solution remains β the right answer.
These algorithms all value the letter "C" much higher than I do. I may have to start changing my second round strategy.
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Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
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Three possible answers by guess four; got it on the second try.
Three possible answers by guess four; got it on the second try.
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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
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Got lucky with my starting word.
Results have been mixed since I last posted a Wordle result, including one where I had to give up and be told the answer.
Got lucky with my starting word.

Results have been mixed since I last posted a Wordle result, including one where I had to give up and be told the answer.

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Re: Wordle
Todayβs Wordle has been politicized. There are two answers showing up.
My sonβs word today was.
His fiancΓ©eβs and mine was.
My sonβs word today was
Spoiler
FETUS
His fiancΓ©eβs and mine was
Spoiler
SHINE
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War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
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