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Re: Kavanaugh

#276 Post by jarnon » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:49 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:The most recent one was an attempted rape in Rhode Island on a boat in 1985.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... story.html
There were goats and actual satyrs involved!
I did not rape her on a boat
I did not rape her with a goat
I did not rape her with a clam
I did not rape her, Sam I Am!
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Re: Kavanaugh

#277 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:52 pm

jarnon wrote:
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silverscreenselect wrote:The most recent one was an attempted rape in Rhode Island on a boat in 1985.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... story.html
There were goats and actual satyrs involved!
I did not rape her on a boat
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Plus it's been debunked...
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#278 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:46 pm

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Estonut wrote:Her original 3 witnesses did not corroborate her recollections, IIRC one was a friend.

You really believe that, in 2012, with Obama's second term approaching and 8 years of Hillary to follow, that she was concerned then about Kavanaugh being selected for the Supreme Court one day?
In 2012, she told her husband that she was almost raped by someone who was now a federal judge. I think she named him to her husband but I don't remember. She first disclosed the incident to him (without details) when they first got married.

The evidence is solid that her account is not a recent invention.
Wrong. She said she told NO ONE until 2012, in therapy with her husband.

Here is my post with my comments about her original account.

I repeat, do you really believe that, in 2012, with Obama's second term approaching and 8 years of Hillary to follow, that she was concerned then about Kavanaugh being selected for the Supreme Court one day?
Sure. He'd been appointed by a Republican President to the D.C. Circuit. That alone makes him a potential candidate for the next Republican President, particularly if you're afraid of him. And since 2012 was an election year, for all she knew Romney would win and get that opportunity within a year or two. --Bob
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#279 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:57 pm

Beebs52 wrote:Actually, it's surprisingly refreshing that BobJ adhered to monastery values and did nothing cringeworthy during his high school, college and 20's plus years, which carried into his family values stance during the Clinton era. Good for him.
There's a reason I'm not up for a high-level government appointment and it has nothing to do with sexual adventures.
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#280 Post by Estonut » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:08 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Estonut wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:In 2012, she told her husband that she was almost raped by someone who was now a federal judge. I think she named him to her husband but I don't remember. She first disclosed the incident to him (without details) when they first got married.

The evidence is solid that her account is not a recent invention.
Wrong. She said she told NO ONE until 2012, in therapy with her husband.

Here is my post with my comments about her original account.

I repeat, do you really believe that, in 2012, with Obama's second term approaching and 8 years of Hillary to follow, that she was concerned then about Kavanaugh being selected for the Supreme Court one day?
Sure. He'd been appointed by a Republican President to the D.C. Circuit. That alone makes him a potential candidate for the next Republican President, particularly if you're afraid of him. And since 2012 was an election year, for all she knew Romney would win and get that opportunity within a year or two.
I don't think many Democrats thought that Romney would beat Obama.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 @ 3:21 pm, Bob78164 wrote:If it turns out that Dr. Blasey Ford had her therapist write notes about this incident six years ago (during a Democratic Administration), to lay the groundwork for scuttling Kavanaugh's nomination, then I'll make a sizeable donation to the Innocence Project.
You already believe this and there is no additional information available, so cut that check. I'd bet your definitions of "sizeable" differ, dependent on whether you're the sender or the recipient.
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#281 Post by Bob Juch » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:32 am

Estonut wrote:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 @ 3:21 pm, Bob78164 wrote:If it turns out that Dr. Blasey Ford had her therapist write notes about this incident six years ago (during a Democratic Administration), to lay the groundwork for scuttling Kavanaugh's nomination, then I'll make a sizeable donation to the Innocence Project.
You already believe this and there is no additional information available, so cut that check. I'd bet your definitions of "sizeable" differ, dependent on whether you're the sender or the recipient.
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#282 Post by Bob Juch » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:42 am

"If Kavanaugh were now saying "Yes, I drank and partied hard, but I didn't do that" it would be different. But he's claiming to have been a strait-laced, sober young man -- which we know he wasn't. Credibility gone." -Paul Krugman
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#283 Post by Bob Juch » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:43 am

FWIW, I think Julie Swetnick has made her whole accusation up.
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Re: Kavanaugh

#284 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:20 pm

I have listened to Dr. Ford's testimony. (I turned off the sound during the breaks. I don't want to hear what pundits have to say). She seems sincere. Aside from the grandstanding by the usual suspects, I would like to see Mark Judge subpeonaed and hear what he knows. But let's hear what Kavanaugh has to say. He will probably say he is 100% sure he didn't do it. So here we are.

I don't think the usual suspects will be as gracious to him.
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#285 Post by Ritterskoop » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:52 pm

Just listened to the past ten minutes or so of Kavanaugh's statement. Wish I had gotten to hear Dr. Ford.

It is odd to me that he is crying but not crying. Like, I know crying when I am angry. I get that. But when I do it, there are tears.

This display makes me wonder if this is the person we want listening to important cases from a position of being dispassionate.

It is just odd. It does make me think he really does think he is innocent, but we all tend to make ourselves the hero of our own narrative.

The part about how he still loves beer was odd, too.

Changing the channel. This is just horribly uncomfortable.
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#286 Post by BackInTex » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:15 pm

Ritterskoop wrote:Just listened to the past ten minutes or so of Kavanaugh's statement. Wish I had gotten to hear Dr. Ford.

It is odd to me that he is crying but not crying. Like, I know crying when I am angry. I get that. But when I do it, there are tears.

This display makes me wonder if this is the person we want listening to important cases from a position of being dispassionate.

It is just odd. It does make me think he really does think he is innocent, but we all tend to make ourselves the hero of our own narrative.

The part about how he still loves beer was odd, too.

Changing the channel. This is just horribly uncomfortable.
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Re: Kavanaugh

#287 Post by Beebs52 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:16 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Ritterskoop wrote:Just listened to the past ten minutes or so of Kavanaugh's statement. Wish I had gotten to hear Dr. Ford.

It is odd to me that he is crying but not crying. Like, I know crying when I am angry. I get that. But when I do it, there are tears.

This display makes me wonder if this is the person we want listening to important cases from a position of being dispassionate.

It is just odd. It does make me think he really does think he is innocent, but we all tend to make ourselves the hero of our own narrative.

The part about how he still loves beer was odd, too.

Changing the channel. This is just horribly uncomfortable.
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#288 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:24 pm

He seems to be spending a lot of time not answering questions. --Bob
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#289 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:28 pm

Today was not the best day for me to be in an all day seminar, so I missed Dr. Ford's testimony. I did catch Lindsay Graham's outburst. I wish someone had asked him if he voted for Merrick Garland.

Two things did strike me:

At one point, when they asked Kavanaugh about a character in Mark Judge's book, the answer was "you'll have to ask Mark Judge." Which no one will have an opportunity to do so, unless the Republicans change their minds.

Kavanaugh kept referring to how he was first or second in his class and played varsity sports in answer to a lot of questions. That seems to me like Bill Cosby defending himself by saying he was the most trusted man in America.
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#290 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:32 pm

Bob78164 wrote:He seems to be spending a lot of time not answering questions. --Bob
I think he wants to say: You get an FBI investigation, you will make this more of a vindictive, disgusting character assassination than it currently is, which would be hard to do. And you will drag my friends and those of Dr. Ford's through the same kind of shit you have already dragged us through. I don't trust you, sir.

But he can't say that. I can, though.
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#291 Post by BackInTex » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:33 pm

Bob78164 wrote:He seems to be spending a lot of time not answering questions. --Bob
Other than not falling into the trap of saying "I want the FBI to investigate" when asked by every Dem senator, what questions has he not answered?

He had to answer multiple times that he's never blacked out.
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#292 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:36 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:He seems to be spending a lot of time not answering questions. --Bob
Other than not falling into the trap of saying "I want the FBI to investigate" when asked by every Dem senator, what questions has he not answered?

He had to answer multiple times that he's never blacked out.
He won't answer whether he wants Judge to testify. He won't answer whether he wants an FBI investigation. I understand why he's not answering those questions -- his answer is that he doesn't want these things but he can't say that because not wanting them makes him look guilty -- but refusing to answer has pretty much the same effect. If he were sitting as a trial judge, he'd never allow a witness to get away with those evasions. --Bob
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#293 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:38 pm

But I'd really like someone to ask him whether he plans to sue Dr. Blasey Ford for defamation. Because if she's not telling the truth about what happened, he's got one helluva damages claim against her. --Bob
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#294 Post by BackInTex » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:40 pm

In response to Skoop:

I did see a lot of Dr. Ford's testimony and it did make me think she truly believes she was assaulted, but when we have ongoing relationship issues we tend to search through our past for reasons or explanations, sometimes adding to our history things that had they happened might cause our current struggles because it can't be as simple as we are personally flawed.
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#295 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:41 pm

Bob78164 wrote:But I'd really like someone to ask him whether he plans to sue Dr. Blasey Ford for defamation. Because if she's not telling the truth about what happened, he's got one helluva damages claim against her. --Bob
But you pooh-pooh the suggestion that Ford take this to the court system, where it belongs.
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#296 Post by BackInTex » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:45 pm

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BackInTex wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:He seems to be spending a lot of time not answering questions. --Bob
Other than not falling into the trap of saying "I want the FBI to investigate" when asked by every Dem senator, what questions has he not answered?

He had to answer multiple times that he's never blacked out.
He won't answer whether he wants Judge to testify. He won't answer whether he wants an FBI investigation. I understand why he's not answering those questions -- his answer is that he doesn't want these things but he can't say that because not wanting them makes him look guilty -- but refusing to answer has pretty much the same effect. If he were sitting as a trial judge, he'd never allow a witness to get away with those evasions. --Bob
Actually why he is not answering the questions is because whether he does or doesn't desire those things is irrelevant to what the hearing is about. If he were a sitting trial judge he would sustain opposing counsel's objection as to relevance.
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#297 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:45 pm

Looks like Ms. Mitchell has been fired.
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#298 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:45 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: But you pooh-pooh the suggestion that Ford take this to the court system, where it belongs.
Gee, I thought the matter of whether a person should serve on the Supreme Court was more than simplay a matter for Judge Judy to decide between commercials.
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#299 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:45 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:But I'd really like someone to ask him whether he plans to sue Dr. Blasey Ford for defamation. Because if she's not telling the truth about what happened, he's got one helluva damages claim against her. --Bob
But you pooh-pooh the suggestion that Ford take this to the court system, where it belongs.
The courts don't decide Supreme Court nominations and by her own account (which is consistent with her behavior), she never wanted to take this public at all. Private citizens don't get to decide to bring criminal charges. I don't know whether the Maryland statute of limitations for civil suits prevents her from suing Kavanaugh for events that are 35 years old. --Bob
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#300 Post by BackInTex » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:46 pm

Bob78164 wrote:But I'd really like someone to ask him whether he plans to sue Dr. Blasey Ford for defamation. Because if she's not telling the truth about what happened, he's got one helluva damages claim against her. --Bob
You would, Bobbie Sue.
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