There are hundreds of pilots who did not get shot down nor destroyed three planes before combat duty. I want to vote for them.I didn't say a thing about flying combat. He destroyed three planes before he was assigned to a carrier.
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This post practically makes me want to stand up and salute. Thank you, Flybrick. For right or wrong John McCain has always been a hero to me.Flybrick wrote:Really?!Bob Juch wrote: McCain wasn't real good at flying a Navy jet either.
So you've learned how to fly, then learned how to fly a fighter, then learned how to employ that jet to deliver ordnance, then learned how to fly that jet on a moving landing field about 300 feet long by 40 feet wide that is moving away from you at some 25-30 knots?
You've shared a, maybe, 8X10 room with three other dudes for months on end? You've had the roof of your room be the landing deck mentioned above? You've had to learn to sleep with the incessant "WHAM!" of landing jets?
You've had to escape sudden explosions and devastating fire on your previous carrier? You had to calmly unstrap from your jet, slid down the wing, then go through the flames that are killing nearly 200 of your shipmates?
You volunteered to stay when your damaged ship went home because the hurried replacement carrier's air group was filled with rookies? You stayed even though you knew the current odds were 1 in 3 of getting shot down? You stayed with those odds knowing that of those shot down, most were killed, most of the remainder captured and faced years of prison and torture?
You flew once or twice a day for two-three months against very heavily defended targets picked by the White House the week before? Knowing many of those targets weren't worth spit militarily, but were to make a 'political statement?' Knowing that often times the timing of those attacks you have to make are known by the enemy who are thus prepared to shoot at you with everything from rifles to machine guns to heavy artillery to surface to air missiles?
You may be for Senator Obama. You may be against Senator McCain. If against him for his policies, fine. If against him because he's old, fine. If you're against him, just because, again, fine.
But don't display your stupidity even when attempting humor with cheap shots about flying combat.
You are neither qualified nor worthy to do so.
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You think screwing around on his injured wife was heroic?DevilKitty100 wrote:This post practically makes me want to stand up and salute. Thank you, Flybrick. For right or wrong John McCain has always been a hero to me.Flybrick wrote:Really?!Bob Juch wrote: McCain wasn't real good at flying a Navy jet either.
So you've learned how to fly, then learned how to fly a fighter, then learned how to employ that jet to deliver ordnance, then learned how to fly that jet on a moving landing field about 300 feet long by 40 feet wide that is moving away from you at some 25-30 knots?
You've shared a, maybe, 8X10 room with three other dudes for months on end? You've had the roof of your room be the landing deck mentioned above? You've had to learn to sleep with the incessant "WHAM!" of landing jets?
You've had to escape sudden explosions and devastating fire on your previous carrier? You had to calmly unstrap from your jet, slid down the wing, then go through the flames that are killing nearly 200 of your shipmates?
You volunteered to stay when your damaged ship went home because the hurried replacement carrier's air group was filled with rookies? You stayed even though you knew the current odds were 1 in 3 of getting shot down? You stayed with those odds knowing that of those shot down, most were killed, most of the remainder captured and faced years of prison and torture?
You flew once or twice a day for two-three months against very heavily defended targets picked by the White House the week before? Knowing many of those targets weren't worth spit militarily, but were to make a 'political statement?' Knowing that often times the timing of those attacks you have to make are known by the enemy who are thus prepared to shoot at you with everything from rifles to machine guns to heavy artillery to surface to air missiles?
You may be for Senator Obama. You may be against Senator McCain. If against him for his policies, fine. If against him because he's old, fine. If you're against him, just because, again, fine.
But don't display your stupidity even when attempting humor with cheap shots about flying combat.
You are neither qualified nor worthy to do so.
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Many of the POWs' marriages failed. Years of separation, years of growing in different ways, not to mention the strain of trying to readjust to a real life after up to 8 years of being very controlled and tortured took its toll on both the men, the wives, and the children.Bob Juch wrote:
You think screwing around on his injured wife was heroic?
Again, this is a loser issue to try to attack anyone with and is beneath contempt to bring up.
As have some of the cheap shots taken against Obama and his family.
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I didn't say he walked on water. Only one of my heroes did that.Bob Juch wrote:DevilKitty100 wrote:You think screwing around on his injured wife was heroic?Flybrick wrote: Really?!
This post practically makes me want to stand up and salute. Thank you, Flybrick. For right or wrong John McCain has always been a hero to me.
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Here's what another POW has to say:Flybrick wrote:Many of the POWs' marriages failed. Years of separation, years of growing in different ways, not to mention the strain of trying to readjust to a real life after up to 8 years of being very controlled and tortured took its toll on both the men, the wives, and the children.Bob Juch wrote:
You think screwing around on his injured wife was heroic?
Again, this is a loser issue to try to attack anyone with and is beneath contempt to bring up.
As have some of the cheap shots taken against Obama and his family.
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202 ... 00.html.dk
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The article, written by another POW veteran, says nothing to dispute what I'm saying about your insulting the efforts of Senator McCain as a POW. The author isn't voting for McCain for various reasons, but does not diminish his heroism in his essay.
On the contrary, this group of men, were for the vast majority (97-ish %) heroes who held out and didn't dishonor their country.
I'm not advocating for you to vote McCain because he was a combat pilot, POW, or even a senator. I won't be voting for Obama - not because he's black, not because his background is 'different,' than mine, but because he either doesn't articulate a position on most issues, changes what position he does hold based on popularity, or holds far too radical positions on the ones he doesn't change.
McCain doesn't float my boat with excitement. But between the two, that's were I'm going. You choose otherwise.
Have you ever served your country in return for that choice? Has Obama?
Unless you have, don't presume to comment on things you know absolutely nothing about.
It makes you look silly and annoys the pig....
On the contrary, this group of men, were for the vast majority (97-ish %) heroes who held out and didn't dishonor their country.
I'm not advocating for you to vote McCain because he was a combat pilot, POW, or even a senator. I won't be voting for Obama - not because he's black, not because his background is 'different,' than mine, but because he either doesn't articulate a position on most issues, changes what position he does hold based on popularity, or holds far too radical positions on the ones he doesn't change.
McCain doesn't float my boat with excitement. But between the two, that's were I'm going. You choose otherwise.
Have you ever served your country in return for that choice? Has Obama?
Unless you have, don't presume to comment on things you know absolutely nothing about.
It makes you look silly and annoys the pig....
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Where did I ever say a thing about McCain as a POW?Flybrick wrote:The article, written by another POW veteran, says nothing to dispute what I'm saying about your insulting the efforts of Senator McCain as a POW. The author isn't voting for McCain for various reasons, but does not diminish his heroism in his essay.
On the contrary, this group of men, were for the vast majority (97-ish %) heroes who held out and didn't dishonor their country.
I'm not advocating for you to vote McCain because he was a combat pilot, POW, or even a senator. I won't be voting for Obama - not because he's black, not because his background is 'different,' than mine, but because he either doesn't articulate a position on most issues, changes what position he does hold based on popularity, or holds far too radical positions on the ones he doesn't change.
McCain doesn't float my boat with excitement. But between the two, that's were I'm going. You choose otherwise.
Have you ever served your country in return for that choice? Has Obama?
Unless you have, don't presume to comment on things you know absolutely nothing about.
It makes you look silly and annoys the pig....
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.