The poorly run Obama Campaign

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

If anyone thinks Mrs. Palin was being sarcastic about community organizers, they haven't seen real Iowahawk sarcasm

[ne1410s]

bb:

If a post is obviously goofy then, yes, I post as I did. I'm not sure I need to rationalize it, though. Are you saying your post was not frivolous?

The point I made is that community organizer should not be the object of ridicule by some beauty pageant participant--that McCain boy sure do like his beauty queens, don't he?- who's wearing 400.00 designer glasses and getting every fat white delegate to chuckle at what a doofus Obama must be. Also, that being a governor does not automatically qualify one to be a trophy Veep.

John McCain was a naval aviator and apparently not a very good one. But, if being held prisoner for 5 years and tortured qualifies one to be POTUS, then Vice-Admiral James B. Stockdale- who was in captivity and tortured for 8 years AND won the Medal of Honor, was over qualified. How'd that work out for him?

Of course I will never vote for McCain as he supports a stupid war started by the war criminals Dick/George. I do chortle mightily at McCain, in his 600 dollar shoes, calling Obama an "elitist". "Elitist" is Rovian code for "Uppity".

I don't know who I will vote for, if I vote at all. I've held my nose and voted too many times in my life.

[Beebs52]

bb:

If a post is obviously goofy then, yes, I post as I did. I'm not sure I need to rationalize it, though. Are you saying your post was not frivolous?

The point I made is that community organizer should not be the object of ridicule by some beauty pageant participant--that McCain boy sure do like his beauty queens, don't he?- who's wearing 400.00 designer glasses and getting every fat white delegate to chuckle at what a doofus Obama must be. Also, that being a governor does not automatically qualify one to be a trophy Veep.

John McCain was a naval aviator and apparently not a very good one. But, if being held prisoner for 5 years and tortured qualifies one to be POTUS, then Vice-Admiral James B. Stockdale- who was in captivity and tortured for 8 years AND won the Medal of Honor, was over qualified. How'd that work out for him?

Of course I will never vote for McCain as he supports a stupid war started by the war criminals Dick/George. I do chortle mightily at McCain, in his 600 dollar shoes, calling Obama an "elitist". "Elitist" is Rovian code for "Uppity".

I don't know who I will vote for, if I vote at all. I've held my nose and voted too many times in my life.

I appreciate what you have to say. I certainly did not mean to piss you off at all. I get caught up in the sarcasm of many of the threads as we all do and respond as I, also, believe, when I think the remarks are, just, sarcastic. Of course, I disagree with a lot of what you have to say, but will try to temper my remarks vis a vis your comments.

Seriously, I wasn't trying to get in your face.

[ne1410s]

beebs:

Seriously, I wasn't trying to get in your face.

Beebs, I sincerely apologize for being so snotty with you. You are one of the good ones around here.

Tom

[Beebs52]

beebs:

Seriously, I wasn't trying to get in your face.

Beebs, I sincerely apologize for being so snotty with you. You are one of the good ones around here.

Tom

I love you man!

[silverscreenselect]

bb:

If a post is obviously goofy then, yes, I post as I did. I'm not sure I need to rationalize it, though. Are you saying your post was not frivolous?

The point I made is that community organizer should not be the object of ridicule by some beauty pageant participant--that McCain boy sure do like his beauty queens, don't he?- who's wearing 400.00 designer glasses and getting every fat white delegate to chuckle at what a doofus Obama must be. Also, that being a governor does not automatically qualify one to be a trophy Veep.

Community organizers aren't being ridiculed, not by Palin or anyone. It's Obama's lack of accomplishments that are. The Republicans are trying to call him out and get media attention to the fact that his credentials as an "organizer" like most of his credentials are overblown fabrications. They know it and Obama knows it.

When attacked, Obama didn't defend his own record as an organizer. He tried to defend the whole idea of being a community organizer. And he personally doesn't have to toot his own horn about this. There should be hundreds of people from the old neighborhood in Chicago ready to come forward and tell what wonderful things Obama accomplished for them as an organizer.

Instead of organizing anything, Obama spent the time sucking up to Bill Ayers and others and getting the wheels in motion for his political career.

[ne1410s]

sss:

Instead of organizing anything, Obama spent the time sucking up to Bill Ayers and others and getting the wheels in motion for his political career.

"Someone stole my shoes. I'm going to amputate my legs."

And Bless your heart...

[Bob78164]

Campaign management and recycling from the Greenist Convention Evah.

This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage — with dramatic effect, no doubt — and tell the story.

“What you see in the picture I sent you is less than half of total flags,” a Republican official emailed. “We estimate the total number to be around 12,000 small flags and one full size 3×5 flag.”

I’m not sure what the DNC was supposed to do with unused hand-flags, frankly. But the Republicans are obviously questioning someone’s patriotism here.

This story is false. The Democrats planned to reuse the flags. They were removed without permission. I think that's a polite phrase for stolen. --Bob

[SportsFan68]

Campaign management and recycling from the Greenist Convention Evah.

This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage — with dramatic effect, no doubt — and tell the story.

“What you see in the picture I sent you is less than half of total flags,” a Republican official emailed. “We estimate the total number to be around 12,000 small flags and one full size 3×5 flag.”

I’m not sure what the DNC was supposed to do with unused hand-flags, frankly. But the Republicans are obviously questioning someone’s patriotism here.

This story is false. The Democrats planned to reuse the flags. They were removed without permission. I think that's a polite phrase for stolen. --Bob

Yeah, one of the Denver stations kept advertising yesterday that they would advertise the real story at 10. But I fell asleep first, sound asleep in the middle of Walk the Line, one of my favorite movies.

[silvercamaro]

This story is false. The Democrats planned to reuse the flags. They were removed without permission. I think that's a polite phrase for stolen. --Bob

It certainly seems odd that the flags that the Dems wanted to reuse were kept safe in green garbage bags, stored next to dumpsters, and abandoned for several days.

That would not be a method for safe-keeping that most people would employ.

[BackInTex]

This story is false. The Democrats planned to reuse the flags. They were removed without permission. I think that's a polite phrase for stolen. --Bob

It certainly seems odd that the flags that the Dems wanted to reuse were kept safe in green garbage bags, stored next to dumpsters, and abandoned for several days.

That would not be a method for safe-keeping that most people would employ.

I think that method was developed and recomended by Sandy Berger.

[Bob78164]

This story is false. The Democrats planned to reuse the flags. They were removed without permission. I think that's a polite phrase for stolen. --Bob

It certainly seems odd that the flags that the Dems wanted to reuse were kept safe in green garbage bags, stored next to dumpsters, and abandoned for several days.

That would not be a method for safe-keeping that most people would employ.

And they didn't. The flags were placed into storage. --Bob

[Beebs52]

This story is false. The Democrats planned to reuse the flags. They were removed without permission. I think that's a polite phrase for stolen. --Bob

It certainly seems odd that the flags that the Dems wanted to reuse were kept safe in green garbage bags, stored next to dumpsters, and abandoned for several days.

That would not be a method for safe-keeping that most people would employ.

And they didn't. The flags were placed into storage. --Bob

Not in someone's pants' legs, right?

This was an entirely sarcastic comment and not meant to convey any serious content. It just called to me. Because it was, well, easy.

[silvercamaro]

And they didn't. The flags were placed into storage. --Bob

Said an anonymous official who is not authorized to speak. Okay. I always believe Anonymous, because he stands by his statements.

I wish he'd expained further if Bad People broke into the storage facility and dragged all those green garbage bags over by the dumpsters to take a large number of photographs. Or maybe the Bad People photoshopped the pictures. Golly. It's hard to know how mad to get at the Bad People when I cannot be certain of the extent of their criminal deviance.

[BackInTex]

Snarky. Yes. In return for a silly post.

So that's how you rationalize your posts...interesting.

Pretty much. How do you rationalize yours?

Weekly by viewing LB's ratings.

[TheCalvinator24]

This story is false. The Democrats planned to reuse the flags. They were removed without permission. I think that's a polite phrase for stolen. --Bob

It certainly seems odd that the flags that the Dems wanted to reuse were kept safe in green garbage bags, stored next to dumpsters, and abandoned for several days.

That would not be a method for safe-keeping that most people would employ.

And they didn't. The flags were placed into storage. --Bob

Allegedly.

According to an anonymous source.

After the fit had already hit the shan.

Personally, I don't think it's terrible if they were going to be thrown away.

[TheCalvinator24]

According to the guy who found the flags:

The person claims the majority of the bags with flags in them were near the trash, on a dock, and would have been thrown away. The person thinks it was probably an “oversight” by the Democrats rather than any nefarious plot against the flag. But the person doesn’t believe anyone was coming to get them: “The flags were there for a week and a day and no one came looking for them.” — emphasis added

http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/200 ... recycling/

[Bob78164]

And they didn't. The flags were placed into storage. --Bob

Said an anonymous official who is not authorized to speak. Okay. I always believe Anonymous, because he stands by his statements.

I wish he'd expained further if Bad People broke into the storage facility and dragged all those green garbage bags over by the dumpsters to take a large number of photographs. Or maybe the Bad People photoshopped the pictures. Golly. It's hard to know how mad to get at the Bad People when I cannot be certain of the extent of their criminal deviance.

Said Karen Finney, and an official statement of the Democratic National Convention Committee.

I'm pretty sure that Fox has abandoned this story, though I doubt they've published a retraction yet. --Bob

[Bob78164]

It certainly seems odd that the flags that the Dems wanted to reuse were kept safe in green garbage bags, stored next to dumpsters, and abandoned for several days.

That would not be a method for safe-keeping that most people would employ.

And they didn't. The flags were placed into storage. --Bob

Allegedly.

According to an anonymous source.

After the fit had already hit the shan.

Personally, I don't think it's terrible if they were going to be thrown away.

What's the name of the guy who supposedly "found" the flags? --Bob

[TheCalvinator24]

And they didn't. The flags were placed into storage. --Bob

Said an anonymous official who is not authorized to speak. Okay. I always believe Anonymous, because he stands by his statements.

I wish he'd expained further if Bad People broke into the storage facility and dragged all those green garbage bags over by the dumpsters to take a large number of photographs. Or maybe the Bad People photoshopped the pictures. Golly. It's hard to know how mad to get at the Bad People when I cannot be certain of the extent of their criminal deviance.

Said Karen Finney, and an official statement of the Democratic National Convention Committee.

I'm pretty sure that Fox has abandoned this story, though I doubt they've published a retraction yet. --Bob

Read the blog from the Denver Post from a journalist who actually spoke to the man who found the bags of flags.

The DNC's denials and accusations ring hollow.

[Bob78164]

Said an anonymous official who is not authorized to speak. Okay. I always believe Anonymous, because he stands by his statements.

I wish he'd expained further if Bad People broke into the storage facility and dragged all those green garbage bags over by the dumpsters to take a large number of photographs. Or maybe the Bad People photoshopped the pictures. Golly. It's hard to know how mad to get at the Bad People when I cannot be certain of the extent of their criminal deviance.

Said Karen Finney, and an official statement of the Democratic National Convention Committee.

I'm pretty sure that Fox has abandoned this story, though I doubt they've published a retraction yet. --Bob

Read the blog from the Denver Post from a journalist who actually spoke to the man who found the bags of flags.

The DNC's denials and accusations ring hollow.

You mean the anonymous neutral guy who just decided to turn the flags he supposedly "found" over to the RNC? --Bob

[silvercamaro]

In the interests of bi-partisan friendship, I would like to suggest that a statement be issued by someone with a name, whether it be Obama himself, his campaign manager, or a Colorado official that was directly involved with the convention arrangements:

"We screwed up, and we feel terrible about it. Nobody meant for it to happen, but in all of the confusion and chaos that accompany any political convention, several thousand flags were put into garbage bags during the post-convention clean-up. They were stored in the garbage bags because that is what we had readily available, and, frankly, everybody was tired and wanted to go home. We meant to reuse those flags, but they never made it to the trucks that would have taken them to another venue where they would have been waved proudly. Instead, the bags with the flags were left uncomfortably close to the the trash dumpsters. I can't blame anybody for misunderstanding our intentions. I am greatly annoyed with whoever accused others of stealing those flags from storage, because I recognize that we inadvertantly left ourselves open to that misunderstanding. Unfortunately, I have no way to discipline that campaign volunteer, whoever he or she may be, because the accuser misspoke anonymously. I apologize to all those people who were accused of theft."

Now that may not be the whole truth, either, but it would permit some face-saving for the campaign while maintaining that the party supports honesty in all things.

It's not about whatever was intended for the flags, it's the apparent lie, which nobody seems to accept except the True Believers.

[Bob78164]

In the interests of bi-partisan friendship, I would like to suggest that a statement be issued by someone with a name, whether it be Obama himself, his campaign manager, or a Colorado official that was directly involved with the convention arrangements:

"We screwed up, and we feel terrible about it. Nobody meant for it to happen, but in all of the confusion and chaos that accompany any political convention, several thousand flags were put into garbage bags during the post-convention clean-up. They were stored in the garbage bags because that is what we had readily available, and, frankly, everybody was tired and wanted to go home. We meant to reuse those flags, but they never made it to the trucks that would have taken them to another venue where they would have been waved proudly. Instead, the bags with the flags were left uncomfortably close to the the trash dumpsters. I can't blame anybody for misunderstanding our intentions. I am greatly annoyed with whoever accused others of stealing those flags from storage, because I recognize that we inadvertantly left ourselves open to that misunderstanding. Unfortunately, I have no way to discipline that campaign volunteer, whoever he or she may be, because the accuser misspoke anonymously. I apologize to all those people who were accused of theft."

Now that may not be the whole truth, either, but it would permit some face-saving for the campaign while maintaining that the party supports honesty in all things.

It's not about whatever was intended for the flags, it's the apparent lie, which nobody seems to accept except the True Believers.

This proposed statement assumes that the anonymous worker who "found" the flags and turned them over to the RNC was telling the truth in all respects. I trust you'll forgive my skepticism on this count, particularly in the face of a sourced and official denial. --Bob

[silvercamaro]

Please accept my apologies. In the photos linked to the Denver Post blog linked by Cal, I see that some of the flags were being stored in clear, not green, trash bags.

I wonder how the campaign intended to reuse the empty water bottles, name tags and crumpled paper that were being stored with the flags?

[SportsFan68]

In the interests of bi-partisan friendship, I would like to suggest that a statement be issued by someone with a name, whether it be Obama himself, his campaign manager, or a Colorado official that was directly involved with the convention arrangements:

"We screwed up, and we feel terrible about it. Nobody meant for it to happen, but in all of the confusion and chaos that accompany any political convention, several thousand flags were put into garbage bags during the post-convention clean-up. They were stored in the garbage bags because that is what we had readily available, and, frankly, everybody was tired and wanted to go home. We meant to reuse those flags, but they never made it to the trucks that would have taken them to another venue where they would have been waved proudly. Instead, the bags with the flags were left uncomfortably close to the the trash dumpsters. I can't blame anybody for misunderstanding our intentions. I am greatly annoyed with whoever accused others of stealing those flags from storage, because I recognize that we inadvertantly left ourselves open to that misunderstanding. Unfortunately, I have no way to discipline that campaign volunteer, whoever he or she may be, because the accuser misspoke anonymously. I apologize to all those people who were accused of theft."

Now that may not be the whole truth, either, but it would permit some face-saving for the campaign while maintaining that the party supports honesty in all things.

It's not about whatever was intended for the flags, it's the apparent lie, which nobody seems to accept except the True Believers.

As a volunteer, I can attest that SC's version would fit the way things went. I volunteered at the Call Center, and many people were calling in to volunteer just because they thought it would get them a ticket to Thursday's night Invesco Mile High festivities. So we had lots of volunteers up through Thursday about 1 p.m.

Whoever called in Thursday morning offering to volunteer, I told them to report at the Volunteer Center Friday morning at 9 a.m. to help take stuff down, pick up trash, recycle, etc. etc. But SC's right, people just wanted to go home after the speech. I was on the road home at 8 a.m. Friday, and nobody was scheduled at the Call Center.