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Re: Mis-Disinformation

#26 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:18 pm

The 51 experts gave an opinion they clearly labeled as opinion in 2020.
The 51 swamp creatures, specifically recruited because of their 'credentials', regurgitated and signed off on a statement they had no evidence for, because it was and is NOT true, that was drafted by the Clinton campaign, and that was worded so they could claim plausible deniability, in order to influence the election in Biden's favor by giving him cover from a huge scandal in 2020.

Fixed that for you.
There is documentary evidence and sworn testimony for everything that was fixed in that statement by trollboy. But I'm sure he'll come up with some convoluted explanation to 'prove' everyone is lying and the documents are faked, but he knows the truth. Or more probably, he'll change the subject to take exception to something else.

That was DISINFORMATION, folks. Done with malice aforethought and strategically planned.

Compare that to the 'claimed' Russian disinformation in 2016, which, to my knowledge, no one has given any specific example of, or produced anyone who was influenced by whatever it was, and was claimed by the same people that manufactured the disinformation described above.

Hmmmm. And it seems very coincidental that the same strategy was used when over a hundred or so 'psychologists' wrote a letter and got it published stating they thought Trump was insane, or some such. Not one of those 'experts', to my knowledge, has questioned Biden's obvious cognitive issues, which are obvious to everyone not bound to him politically or does not have Trump Derangement.
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Re: Mis-Disinformation

#27 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:58 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:18 pm
There is documentary evidence and sworn testimony for everything that was fixed in that statement by trollboy. But I'm sure he'll come up with some convoluted explanation to 'prove' everyone is lying and the documents are faked, but he knows the truth.
You have a problem with plain English. THEY. GAVE. THEIR. OPINION. They did not state it was fact. They said it bore the hallmarks of a classic Russian disinformation campaign. Which it did.

No one has seen the actual laptop except the FBI since before Rudy Giuliani gave the information to the Post. No one has questioned Giuliani on public record as to how he got the information. No one has verified that his version of the laptop is genuine. In fact, it's been shown that at least some information was added after 2019 when Hunter Biden took the laptop to the shop. The most anyone can verify is that some of the information appears to be genuine. And the presence of some genuine information such as Hunter Biden's sex tape doesn't mean that other information could have been added to the laptop. It's a lot easier to add a few fake emails to a genuine laptop than it is to create hundreds of thousands of fake documents from scratch. And keep in mind that the only "laptop" in this case is in the hands of the FBI. Everything else is a supposed copy or a supposed copy of a copy of the laptop's hard drive.

You seem to think that this letter is some sinister plot. It's standard reaction politics. You fact check a negative story and refute it if possible. The Biden campaign solicited the opinion of some of the experts and then they put decided how they could most effectively present that opinion. What you should be asking yourself, but you won't, is why Donald Trump didn't get 51 experts or even one expert of his own to give a contrary opinion in the two weeks his campaign had to respond. But I think you know the answer to that one.
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Re: Mis-Disinformation

#28 Post by tlynn78 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:21 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:58 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:18 pm
There is documentary evidence and sworn testimony for everything that was fixed in that statement by trollboy. But I'm sure he'll come up with some convoluted explanation to 'prove' everyone is lying and the documents are faked, but he knows the truth.
You have a problem with plain English. THEY. GAVE. THEIR. OPINION. They did not state it was fact. They said it bore the hallmarks of a classic Russian disinformation campaign. Which it did.

No one has seen the actual laptop except the FBI since before Rudy Giuliani gave the information to the Post. No one has questioned Giuliani on public record as to how he got the information. No one has verified that his version of the laptop is genuine. In fact, it's been shown that at least some information was added after 2019 when Hunter Biden took the laptop to the shop. The most anyone can verify is that some of the information appears to be genuine. And the presence of some genuine information such as Hunter Biden's sex tape doesn't mean that other information could have been added to the laptop. It's a lot easier to add a few fake emails to a genuine laptop than it is to create hundreds of thousands of fake documents from scratch. And keep in mind that the only "laptop" in this case is in the hands of the FBI. Everything else is a supposed copy or a supposed copy of a copy of the laptop's hard drive.

You seem to think that this letter is some sinister plot. It's standard reaction politics. You fact check a negative story and refute it if possible. The Biden campaign solicited the opinion of some of the experts and then they put decided how they could most effectively present that opinion. What you should be asking yourself, but you won't, is why Donald Trump didn't get 51 experts or even one expert of his own to give a contrary opinion in the two weeks his campaign had to respond. But I think you know the answer to that one.
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Re: Mis-Disinformation

#29 Post by jarnon » Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:49 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:18 pm
Compare that to the 'claimed' Russian disinformation in 2016, which, to my knowledge, no one has given any specific example of, or produced anyone who was influenced by whatever it was, and was claimed by the same people that manufactured the disinformation described above.
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Re: Mis-Disinformation

#30 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:27 am

tlynn78 wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:21 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:58 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:18 pm
There is documentary evidence and sworn testimony for everything that was fixed in that statement by trollboy. But I'm sure he'll come up with some convoluted explanation to 'prove' everyone is lying and the documents are faked, but he knows the truth.
You have a problem with plain English. THEY. GAVE. THEIR. OPINION. They did not state it was fact. They said it bore the hallmarks of a classic Russian disinformation campaign. Which it did.

No one has seen the actual laptop except the FBI since before Rudy Giuliani gave the information to the Post. No one has questioned Giuliani on public record as to how he got the information. No one has verified that his version of the laptop is genuine. In fact, it's been shown that at least some information was added after 2019 when Hunter Biden took the laptop to the shop. The most anyone can verify is that some of the information appears to be genuine. And the presence of some genuine information such as Hunter Biden's sex tape doesn't mean that other information could have been added to the laptop. It's a lot easier to add a few fake emails to a genuine laptop than it is to create hundreds of thousands of fake documents from scratch. And keep in mind that the only "laptop" in this case is in the hands of the FBI. Everything else is a supposed copy or a supposed copy of a copy of the laptop's hard drive.

You seem to think that this letter is some sinister plot. It's standard reaction politics. You fact check a negative story and refute it if possible. The Biden campaign solicited the opinion of some of the experts and then they put decided how they could most effectively present that opinion. What you should be asking yourself, but you won't, is why Donald Trump didn't get 51 experts or even one expert of his own to give a contrary opinion in the two weeks his campaign had to respond. But I think you know the answer to that one.
You're working overtime to cling to your delusions.
Wow!
They must have forgotten to use the swamp's most often-used phrase: "I can't comment on an ongoing investigation". In this case, it would have actually been appropriate.
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