Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

[silverscreenselect]

The one thing they won't address is the fact that 51 swamp creatures used their supposed credibility to sign a document that they had no way of knowing had any truth to it at all.

51 experts expressing their opinion about a series of emails is not election interference. It is their opinion. Presumably, Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, the New York Post, Fox News, and anyone else who cared about the emails could have found 1 or 51 or 5100 experts to express their contrary opinions. And if you think what they did was unethical, please point out an established ethical rule they violated.

What you're upset about is that the public didn't buy what Giuliani was trying to peddle. And with good reason.

And how's Operation Dumbo Drop coming along? How much money have you donated to the cause?

[flockofseagulls104]

No, I am not going to argue. I will just let your words speak for themselves. Unbelievable.

[silverscreenselect]

No, I am not going to argue. I will just let your words speak for themselves. Unbelievable.

That's Flock's usual response when he has no response.

[flockofseagulls104]

Not arguing with you, just giving you more material to show how insanely indoctrinated you are.

* Not one of those 51 had any evidence, either hard or soft, that the laptop was 'Russian Mis-Disinformation'. Because it was subsequently proven by Hunter himself and the media and their sources (2 years later) that it was indeed Hunter's laptop.
* Every one of their opinions was 100% and undeniably wrong.
* Every one of them, knowing that they had no evidence of their claims, signed off on this document knowing that the only reason for doing so was to cast doubt on its authenticity.
* They decided to throw doubt on the laptop's authenticity to lessen or eliminate the effect of the scandal it would cause in the leadup to the election.
* The only logical reasons to put together a document like this and to announce it to the press were political. No one asked for an investigation, and no one asked for their opinions. They, or someone with an interest, asked for it and organized its creation and dissemination.
* Every person or organization that had evidence or tried to report on the laptop had their names and reputations smeared by the same press outlets that willfully ignored the story.
* Because they lent their 'credibility' to the lie that the laptop was 'Russian Disinformation', major 'news' outlets did not report on it. The one outlet that did fairly and accurately report on it was slandered, ostracized, and censored on the major social media outlets.
* Every one of those 51 people interfered with the 2020 election. And all the 'news' outlets and social media platforms that censored reporting on the laptop and its contents also interfered with the 2020 election.
* Since these people had no qualms about lending their names to a false document that they had no evidence to support, their credibility about any past or future issues is fairly called into question. But, ironically, none of them have faced even the smallest consequence for being factually and ethically wrong in this matter. That is a pattern in Washington DC. Consequences are distributed in a political manner.
* Now these same news outlets who were wrong about everything from the start are trying to push the idea that, yes, the laptop is authentic but all the incriminating evidence on it was planted. And they are confident that the majority of the most thoroughly indoctrinated will believe that. It's obvious that people like you are clinging to that as your last refuge from the truth.

I have plenty of responses, but they are completely wasted on people like you.

[silverscreenselect]

Not arguing with you, just giving you more material to show how insanely indoctrinated you are.

* Not one of those 51 had any evidence, either hard or soft, that the laptop was 'Russian Mis-Disinformation'. Because it was subsequently proven by Hunter himself and the media and their sources (2 years later) that it was indeed Hunter's laptop.

* Every one of them, knowing that they had no evidence of their claims, signed off on this document knowing that the only reason for doing so was to cast doubt on its authenticity.

Since you apparently have difficulty either reading or understanding, here is what they said:

We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement – just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.

They said they had no evidence of Russian involvement or whether the emails were genuine. The expressed their opinion based on their knowledge of Russian disinformation campaigns, which is greater than yours. And if you wonder whether their comments were political, you might ask why Rudy Giuliani chose to hold onto the information until right before the election. You might also ask why Giuliani and/or The Post didn't produce even one expert willing to go on the record to dispute the contentions of the 51 who signed the letter.

And finally, the laptop is in the possession of the FBI. Only they know the contents and whether whatever Giuliani turned over to the Post was a complete and accurate copy of the laptop's hard drive. The FBI may be able to determine if the contents of the hard drive had been altered or augmented since Biden turned it over to the computer store. No court in this country would allow Giuliani's hard drive into evidence as proof of what was on Hunter Biden's laptop when he took it to the shop.

But if it will make you feel any better, the House Republicans are presumably hard at work investigating Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, and the laptop. I'm waiting for them to call witnesses at a hearing. If and when they choose to publish their findings, it will be the same as the "findings" of Operation Dumbo Drop and the Durham investigation ... nothing.

[Estonut]

They said they had no evidence of Russian involvement or whether the emails were genuine. The expressed their opinion based on their knowledge of Russian disinformation campaigns, which is greater than yours.

During the debate, did Joe say that they had no evidence and that it was only their opinion?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OY_cTQY1dMs

Did any of the mainstream media make that clear at the time? I can find no stories that present it as anything other than fact. Not many people actually read the letter itself at the time.

[silverscreenselect]

They said they had no evidence of Russian involvement or whether the emails were genuine. The expressed their opinion based on their knowledge of Russian disinformation campaigns, which is greater than yours.

During the debate, did Joe say that they had no evidence and that it was only their opinion?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OY_cTQY1dMs

Did any of the mainstream media make that clear at the time? I can find no stories that present it as anything other than fact. Not many people actually read the letter itself at the time.

So you're making your claims based on one comment Joe Biden made during the debate. Here's what NBC News had to say before the election:

Trump and his allies say there is evidence of corruption in emails and documents allegedly found on a laptop belonging to Democrat Joe Biden’s son... But the Wall Street Journal and Fox News — among the only news organizations that have been given access to key documents — found that the emails and other records don’t make that case. Leaving aside the many questions about their provenance, the materials offered no evidence that Joe Biden played any role in his son’s dealings in China, let alone profited from them, both news organizations concluded.

The lack of major new revelations is perhaps the biggest reason the story has not gotten traction, but not the only one. Among others: Most mainstream news organizations, including NBC News, have not been granted access to the documents. NBC News asked by email, text, phone call and certified mail, and was ultimately denied.

And, although no evidence has emerged that the documents are the product of Russian disinformation, as some experts initially suggested, many questions remain about how the materials got into the hands of Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, who has met with Russian agents in his effort to dig dirt on the Bidens. U.S. intelligence agencies have informed the White House that Giuliani has been in contact with alleged Russian intelligence agents. The FBI has been looking into whether the Russians played any role, and no official has ruled that out. At the same time, dozens of former intelligence officials have said the story has the hallmarks of a Russian intelligence operation. After the election interference of 2016, the news media is especially wary of doing anything to further an effort by a foreign government to intervene in a presidential campaign.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... d-n1245533

There's a lot more in the story. But the gist is that none of the mainstream outlets were given access to what Giuliani and the Post had before the election. And even this article said that the intelligence experts said the laptop story "had the hallmarks" of a Russian disinformation campaign.

The biggest question you should be asking is why didn't Trump, Giuliani, and the Post produce any experts of their own, who could have examined what Giuliani had in greater detail, to vouch for the laptop's veracity?

But I'm willing to wait until we hear what the Republican House committees find. We've already seen what Operation Dumbo Drop found. Nothing. We've seen what the Durham investigation found. Nothing. We've seen what 60 lawsuits regarding fraud in the 2020 election found. Nothing. I'm confident we'll find the same things here. Because there's a big difference between what anonymous bloggers and conspiracy theorists and a few Trump campaign officials are willing to claim, and what anyone is willing to state under oath as a fact.

[jarnon]

At the core of Flock's argument is a worldview in which mainstream Democrats like Biden, mainstream Republicans like the Bushes, the Cheneys and Kemp, the entire U.S. government, most of corporate America, and media moguls from Bezos to Murdoch are part of a huge Establishment whose main purpose is to amass power, usually at the expense of ordinary citizens. Despite their policy differences, they won't upset the status quo. Only a few politicians on the right (like Trump) and the left (like Sanders) won't play along. I'm surprised that someone as intelligent and aware as Flock would espouse such a bizarre theory.

[flockofseagulls104]

At the core of Flock's argument is a worldview in which mainstream Democrats like Biden, mainstream Republicans like the Bushes, the Cheneys and Kemp, the entire U.S. government, most of corporate America, and media moguls from Bezos to Murdoch are part of a huge Establishment whose main purpose is to amass power, usually at the expense of ordinary citizens. Despite their policy differences, they won't upset the status quo. Only a few politicians on the right (like Trump) and the left (like Sanders) won't play along. I'm surprised that someone as intelligent and aware as Flock would espouse such a bizarre theory.

It's not a bizarre theory. It is a fact. It has various names. Some people call it the Uniparty. Others call it the Swamp. It is the overall institution that has grown up and spread out from Washington DC and is populated by people whose main goal is to perpetuate and extend the power and influence of a central government in opposition of individual freedom and liberty. Its main population are the thousands of unelected bureaucrats who actually govern us. The 51 people who interfered with the 2020 election were all unelected or out-of-office swamp creatures who injected themselves, unbidden, into the political process.
The Founders of this country warned us of this. The evidence is all around you if you bother to explore the voices of those who are under constant attack by the Washington DC swamp and the media they own.
I've noticed you did not make one comment on the bullet points I wrote above. Which ones are untrue?

[Bob78164]

Another firm that Donny hired to find voter fraud has reported (after being paid more than $750,000 by Donny's campaign), “Every fraud claim I was asked to investigate was false.” --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

I've noticed you did not make one comment on the bullet points I wrote above. Which ones are untrue?

I'll comment on your bullet points. Pretty much all of them are untrue.

You persist in ignoring the plain language of the letter from the 51 experts. They said they didn't know if the emails were genuine (they made it a point of emphasizing that lack of knowledge) but were deeply suspicious of Russian involvement. You ignore the question of whether they had reason to be suspicious of Russian involvement. Considering the timing of the release, the nature of Giuliani's "evidence" and how he claimed that got to him, and Giuliani's and the NY Post's refusal to allow other media outlets or indeed any outside experts access to the "evidence," coupled with their knowledge of Russian disinformation campaigns, gave them ample reason to be suspicious of the information. Which is exactly what they said.

You also have a problem with news outlets trying to independently verify when one outlet breaks a major story out of the blue. That's standard procedure in journalism. There's also a big problem with your reasoning. Giuliani feeding the story to one right wing outlet after another before he found one that would publish it is apparently okay in your book. People giving their own opinion of that is not okay. If you listen to nightly news shows, they all put on a group of experts and the first question the host asks is usually, "what do you think of this new story..."

You play fast and loose with the word "interfere." Federal law makes various specific types of election interference illegal (voter intimidation, vote rigging, etc.) There is a statute that specifically makes it illegal for a foreign government or agent of a foreign government to employ "any covert, fraudulent, deceptive, or unlawful actions or attempted actions" to influence an election. Notably, that prohibition applies to foreign governments and their agents only, not domestic persons (if that were the case, every politician in America would probably be guilty of using deceptive actions to influence elections.) But even applying that definition to those 51 individuals, nothing they did was covert, fraudulent, deceptive, or unlawful.

The laptop story was so suspicious that Fox News and the Wall Street Journal refused to publish it because of lack of authentication. One of the Post writers who co-wrote the story refused to lend his name to the byline. You keep trying to turn this story into something it's not.

[Weyoun]

One think about the simps like flock is they have no plan to actually make things run in this country.

If you talk to them, they’re all interested in this executive order Trump was going to send out, announcing that every government employee was at will. Getting rid of the bureaucratic state. DeSantis is on board with this too.

Can you imagine the country being run by sycophants like those idiots DeSantis appointed to the Disney board?

But when you talk to people like flock, they don’t think anything needs to be regulated in the first place. It’s why we shouldn’t have vaccines and why everybody should have as many guns as they want. Otherwise would imply some sort of government control and attempt to herd all this chaos.

It’ll be like that time Colorado Springs went all libertarian, but no one knew how to operate the street lights. It’s completely antithetical to working society, but these folks think they’ll just shoot a deer and skin it and they’ll be fed for the next couple of weeks, so what’s the big deal? And if you don’t know how to do that, serves you right, city slicker!

[flockofseagulls104]

One think about the simps like flock is they have no plan to actually make things run in this country.

If you talk to them, they’re all interested in this executive order Trump was going to send out, announcing that every government employee was at will. Getting rid of the bureaucratic state. DeSantis is on board with this too.

Can you imagine the country being run by sycophants like those idiots DeSantis appointed to the Disney board?

But when you talk to people like flock, they don’t think anything needs to be regulated in the first place. It’s why we shouldn’t have vaccines and why everybody should have as many guns as they want. Otherwise would imply some sort of government control and attempt to herd all this chaos.

It’ll be like that time Colorado Springs went all libertarian, but no one knew how to operate the street lights. It’s completely antithetical to working society, but these folks think they’ll just shoot a deer and skin it and they’ll be fed for the next couple of weeks, so what’s the big deal? And if you don’t know how to do that, serves you right, city slicker!

Seriously, doc, I doubt you have EVER actually spoken to any of us 'simps'. You already know everything you need to know to relegate anything we do actually say or think to the part of your mind that shields you from your own hypocrisy. I will not bother to even attempt to engage in any conversations here. It is entertaining enough to see the insane responses to the points I bring up. And scary, like a horror movie, that there are actual people that think the way you do.

[wbtravis007]

One think about the simps like flock is they have no plan to actually make things run in this country.

If you talk to them, they’re all interested in this executive order Trump was going to send out, announcing that every government employee was at will. Getting rid of the bureaucratic state. DeSantis is on board with this too.

Can you imagine the country being run by sycophants like those idiots DeSantis appointed to the Disney board?

But when you talk to people like flock, they don’t think anything needs to be regulated in the first place. It’s why we shouldn’t have vaccines and why everybody should have as many guns as they want. Otherwise would imply some sort of government control and attempt to herd all this chaos.

It’ll be like that time Colorado Springs went all libertarian, but no one knew how to operate the street lights. It’s completely antithetical to working society, but these folks think they’ll just shoot a deer and skin it and they’ll be fed for the next couple of weeks, so what’s the big deal? And if you don’t know how to do that, serves you right, city slicker!

Seriously, doc, I doubt you have EVER actually spoken to any of us 'simps'. You already know everything you need to know to relegate anything we do actually say or think to the part of your mind that shields you from your own hypocrisy. I will not bother to even attempt to engage in any conversations here. It is entertaining enough to see the insane responses to the points I bring up. And scary, like a horror movie, that there are actual people that think the way you do.

ICM!

Knew it.

How pathetic.

[Weyoun]

One think about the simps like flock is they have no plan to actually make things run in this country.

If you talk to them, they’re all interested in this executive order Trump was going to send out, announcing that every government employee was at will. Getting rid of the bureaucratic state. DeSantis is on board with this too.

Can you imagine the country being run by sycophants like those idiots DeSantis appointed to the Disney board?

But when you talk to people like flock, they don’t think anything needs to be regulated in the first place. It’s why we shouldn’t have vaccines and why everybody should have as many guns as they want. Otherwise would imply some sort of government control and attempt to herd all this chaos.

It’ll be like that time Colorado Springs went all libertarian, but no one knew how to operate the street lights. It’s completely antithetical to working society, but these folks think they’ll just shoot a deer and skin it and they’ll be fed for the next couple of weeks, so what’s the big deal? And if you don’t know how to do that, serves you right, city slicker!

Seriously, doc, I doubt you have EVER actually spoken to any of us 'simps'. You already know everything you need to know to relegate anything we do actually say or think to the part of your mind that shields you from your own hypocrisy. I will not bother to even attempt to engage in any conversations here. It is entertaining enough to see the insane responses to the points I bring up. And scary, like a horror movie, that there are actual people that think the way you do.

You claimed that the Covid vaccine caused blood to turn into thready white worms.

Still waiting on that to get proven.

You’ve never been a serious person with serious ideas.

[Beebs52]

LINOS abound.

[flockofseagulls104]

One think about the simps like flock is they have no plan to actually make things run in this country.

If you talk to them, they’re all interested in this executive order Trump was going to send out, announcing that every government employee was at will. Getting rid of the bureaucratic state. DeSantis is on board with this too.

Can you imagine the country being run by sycophants like those idiots DeSantis appointed to the Disney board?

But when you talk to people like flock, they don’t think anything needs to be regulated in the first place. It’s why we shouldn’t have vaccines and why everybody should have as many guns as they want. Otherwise would imply some sort of government control and attempt to herd all this chaos.

It’ll be like that time Colorado Springs went all libertarian, but no one knew how to operate the street lights. It’s completely antithetical to working society, but these folks think they’ll just shoot a deer and skin it and they’ll be fed for the next couple of weeks, so what’s the big deal? And if you don’t know how to do that, serves you right, city slicker!

Seriously, doc, I doubt you have EVER actually spoken to any of us 'simps'. You already know everything you need to know to relegate anything we do actually say or think to the part of your mind that shields you from your own hypocrisy. I will not bother to even attempt to engage in any conversations here. It is entertaining enough to see the insane responses to the points I bring up. And scary, like a horror movie, that there are actual people that think the way you do.

You claimed that the Covid vaccine caused blood to turn into thready white worms.

Still waiting on that to get proven.

You’ve never been a serious person with serious ideas.

Um, No I didn't. I don't remember ever even thinking anything like that. Go back and read and try and comprehend the actual discussion, since you never did the first time. But that's OK, that shows the reason that discussions cannot be had with people like you. You just make shit up based on your preconceived notions rather than reality. I think it must be ingrained.
The racist, segregationist, bigoted democrats of the 50's and 60's Jim Crow era had preconceived stereotypes they placed on every 'negro' that they clung to regardless of the reality that took place right before their eyes. Apparently, your generation of racist, bigoted democrats have expanded their scope to include those who just do not subscribe to their view of the world. You just make shit up to justify your own hypocrisy and stupidity.
Just sayin.....

[silverscreenselect]

The racist, segregationist, bigoted democrats of the 50's and 60's Jim Crow era had preconceived stereotypes they placed on every 'negro' that they clung to regardless of the reality that took place right before their eyes. Just sayin.....

No, they migrated to the Republican Party, like Strom Thurmond. And as time went on, they added new targets to their bigotry like gays and trans people so they could attract new followers. Like you. Just sayin.....

[Weyoun]

Seriously, doc, I doubt you have EVER actually spoken to any of us 'simps'. You already know everything you need to know to relegate anything we do actually say or think to the part of your mind that shields you from your own hypocrisy. I will not bother to even attempt to engage in any conversations here. It is entertaining enough to see the insane responses to the points I bring up. And scary, like a horror movie, that there are actual people that think the way you do.

You claimed that the Covid vaccine caused blood to turn into thready white worms.

Still waiting on that to get proven.

You’ve never been a serious person with serious ideas.

Um, No I didn't. I don't remember ever even thinking anything like that. Go back and read and try and comprehend the actual discussion, since you never did the first time. But that's OK, that shows the reason that discussions cannot be had with people like you. You just make shit up based on your preconceived notions rather than reality. I think it must be ingrained.
The racist, segregationist, bigoted democrats of the 50's and 60's Jim Crow era had preconceived stereotypes they placed on every 'negro' that they clung to regardless of the reality that took place right before their eyes. Apparently, your generation of racist, bigoted democrats have expanded their scope to include those who just do not subscribe to their view of the world. You just make shit up to justify your own hypocrisy and stupidity.
Just sayin.....

You are correct - go figure - that it was Spock, who posted the initial thread, but you quickly came to his defense and gave the thread a lot of thought.

So yes, you did back the whole ridiculous idea, which is now even more ridiculous looking all these months out

Still waiting on my first white worm patient!

[flockofseagulls104]

You claimed that the Covid vaccine caused blood to turn into thready white worms.

Still waiting on that to get proven.

You’ve never been a serious person with serious ideas.

Um, No I didn't. I don't remember ever even thinking anything like that. Go back and read and try and comprehend the actual discussion, since you never did the first time. But that's OK, that shows the reason that discussions cannot be had with people like you. You just make shit up based on your preconceived notions rather than reality. I think it must be ingrained.
The racist, segregationist, bigoted democrats of the 50's and 60's Jim Crow era had preconceived stereotypes they placed on every 'negro' that they clung to regardless of the reality that took place right before their eyes. Apparently, your generation of racist, bigoted democrats have expanded their scope to include those who just do not subscribe to their view of the world. You just make shit up to justify your own hypocrisy and stupidity.
Just sayin.....

You are correct - go figure - that it was Spock, who posted the initial thread, but you quickly came to his defense and gave the thread a lot of thought.

So yes, you did back the whole ridiculous idea, which is now even more ridiculous looking all these months out

Still waiting on my first white worm patient!

And you never answered my questions.

[flockofseagulls104]

The racist, segregationist, bigoted democrats of the 50's and 60's Jim Crow era had preconceived stereotypes they placed on every 'negro' that they clung to regardless of the reality that took place right before their eyes. Just sayin.....

No, they migrated to the Republican Party, like Strom Thurmond. And as time went on, they added new targets to their bigotry like gays and trans people so they could attract new followers. Like you. Just sayin.....

Which is revisionist bullshit. Argue my point? No. Waste of time with people like you. But those of us who you accuse know it's totally false. The only use for that false narrative is to keep people like you thinking they are morally superior and to keep voting for the people who will actually oppress you further.

The leftist socialist/communists who have taken over your political party and have been indocrinating the younger generation for many years have shifted the definition of the 'proletariat' from the 'working class' to all the victim groups they have created and nurtured in order to divide this country. See the writings of Saul Alinsky, the mentor of both Hillary and Obama, and the writings of Karl Marx. Their goal is to have power over all of us. And the only way to accomplish it is to eventually eliminate all those who oppose them, like they did in the Soviet Union (estimated @10 - 30 million killed) and in China (estimated @40-80 million people died). Oh, but it can't happen here! That's what they said right before they came for them.

I will be entertained by all your responses.

[Weyoun]

Um, No I didn't. I don't remember ever even thinking anything like that. Go back and read and try and comprehend the actual discussion, since you never did the first time. But that's OK, that shows the reason that discussions cannot be had with people like you. You just make shit up based on your preconceived notions rather than reality. I think it must be ingrained.
The racist, segregationist, bigoted democrats of the 50's and 60's Jim Crow era had preconceived stereotypes they placed on every 'negro' that they clung to regardless of the reality that took place right before their eyes. Apparently, your generation of racist, bigoted democrats have expanded their scope to include those who just do not subscribe to their view of the world. You just make shit up to justify your own hypocrisy and stupidity.
Just sayin.....

You are correct - go figure - that it was Spock, who posted the initial thread, but you quickly came to his defense and gave the thread a lot of thought.

So yes, you did back the whole ridiculous idea, which is now even more ridiculous looking all these months out

Still waiting on my first white worm patient!

And you never answered my questions.

What questions were those?

[silverscreenselect]

The leftist socialist/communists who have taken over your political party and have been indocrinating the younger generation for many years have shifted the definition of the 'proletariat' from the 'working class' to all the victim groups they have created and nurtured in order to divide this country. See the writings of Saul Alinsky, the mentor of both Hillary and Obama, and the writings of Karl Marx. Their goal is to have power over all of us. And the only way to accomplish it is to eventually eliminate all those who oppose them, like they did in the Soviet Union (estimated @10 - 30 million killed) and in China (estimated @40-80 million people died). Oh, but it can't happen here! That's what they said right before they came for them.

Thank goodness that all of the poor, victimized, heterosexual, white males have people like you to protect them from the hordes of illegal immigrants and pre-teen transsexuals who are even now plotting to put them away. Just a suggestion, but you might want to wear some snazzy brown shirts and distinctive armbands so you can stand out in a crowd. I'd suggest the Viking helmet that your role model wore when he paid a visit to the U.S. Capitol, but that might be a bit cumbersome.

[flockofseagulls104]

You are correct - go figure - that it was Spock, who posted the initial thread, but you quickly came to his defense and gave the thread a lot of thought.

So yes, you did back the whole ridiculous idea, which is now even more ridiculous looking all these months out

Still waiting on my first white worm patient!

And you never answered my questions.

What questions were those?

I only asked them a hundred times and you dodged them each time. They should be seared in your memory. Go back and dodge them once again.

[Weyoun]

And you never answered my questions.

What questions were those?

I only asked them a hundred times and you dodged them each time. They should be seared in your memory. Go back and dodge them once again.

This is rich coming from the guy who won’t answer questions about the election ripcord