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Re: Dobbs comes down

#26 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:48 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:46 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:56 pm
The rest of the story: turns out, the rapist was one of beneficiaries of Biden and Kamala's failed immigration 'plan'
Up until the arrest, right wing media was claiming the story was all a Democratic hoax. It's good that they are so adept at pivoting from one issue to another so quickly.
Peeps here aren't rightwing media, so there's that.
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Re: Dobbs comes down

#27 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:49 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:46 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:56 pm
The rest of the story: turns out, the rapist was one of beneficiaries of Biden and Kamala's failed immigration 'plan'
Up until the arrest, right wing media was claiming the story was all a Democratic hoax. It's good that they are so adept at pivoting from one issue to another so quickly.
Seems to me that's pretty much like arguing the existence of a Derek Chauvin is a reason to abolish all cops.

Even if what tgirl is claiming is true (and I note her conspicuous failure to source the claim), the existence of one bad apple is not a reason to change a policy affecting huge numbers of people. --Bob
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Re: Dobbs comes down

#28 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:11 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:49 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:46 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:56 pm
The rest of the story: turns out, the rapist was one of beneficiaries of Biden and Kamala's failed immigration 'plan'
Up until the arrest, right wing media was claiming the story was all a Democratic hoax. It's good that they are so adept at pivoting from one issue to another so quickly.
Seems to me that's pretty much like arguing the existence of a Derek Chauvin is a reason to abolish all cops.

Even if what tgirl is claiming is true (and I note her conspicuous failure to source the claim), the existence of one bad apple is not a reason to change a policy affecting huge numbers of people. --Bob
What?!?

You mean defund the police is wrong? Excellent
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Re: Dobbs comes down

#29 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:47 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:11 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:49 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:46 pm
Up until the arrest, right wing media was claiming the story was all a Democratic hoax. It's good that they are so adept at pivoting from one issue to another so quickly.
Seems to me that's pretty much like arguing the existence of a Derek Chauvin is a reason to abolish all cops.

Even if what tgirl is claiming is true (and I note her conspicuous failure to source the claim), the existence of one bad apple is not a reason to change a policy affecting huge numbers of people. --Bob
What?!?

You mean defund the police is wrong? Excellent
You've never seen me argue, here or anywhere, for abolishing the cops. That is a position held only by the extreme left wing of the Democratic Party, which has much less influence over the Party than Republicans like to pretend.

The Republican Party, in contrast, has demonstrably been captured by its right-wing fringe. --Bob
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Re: Dobbs comes down

#30 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:47 pm

Well, then

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#31 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:51 pm

Thanks. That explains why tgirl didn't source her claim that Fuentes is "one of the benficiaries of [President] Biden and [Vice President] Harris's failed immigration plan." She made it up (or credulously accepted the word of someone else who made it up). According to the story, Fuentes has been living in Columbus for at least seven years, long before the start of the Biden Administration. --Bob
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Re: Dobbs comes down

#32 Post by tlynn78 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:51 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:49 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:46 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:56 pm
The rest of the story: turns out, the rapist was one of beneficiaries of Biden and Kamala's failed immigration 'plan'
Up until the arrest, right wing media was claiming the story was all a Democratic hoax. It's good that they are so adept at pivoting from one issue to another so quickly.
Seems to me that's pretty much like arguing the existence of a Derek Chauvin is a reason to abolish all cops.

Even if what tgirl is claiming is true (and I note her conspicuous failure to source the claim), the existence of one bad apple is not a reason to change a policy affecting huge numbers of people. --Bob
I've mostly stopped wasting my time on the fact-averse.
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#33 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:52 pm

tlynn78 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:51 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:49 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:46 pm
Up until the arrest, right wing media was claiming the story was all a Democratic hoax. It's good that they are so adept at pivoting from one issue to another so quickly.
Seems to me that's pretty much like arguing the existence of a Derek Chauvin is a reason to abolish all cops.

Even if what tgirl is claiming is true (and I note her conspicuous failure to source the claim), the existence of one bad apple is not a reason to change a policy affecting huge numbers of people. --Bob
I've mostly stopped wasting my time on the fact-averse.
So you've gotten rid of every mirror in your house? --Bob
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Re: Dobbs comes down

#34 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:00 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:52 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:51 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:49 pm
Seems to me that's pretty much like arguing the existence of a Derek Chauvin is a reason to abolish all cops.

Even if what tgirl is claiming is true (and I note her conspicuous failure to source the claim), the existence of one bad apple is not a reason to change a policy affecting huge numbers of people. --Bob
I've mostly stopped wasting my time on the fact-averse.
So you've gotten rid of every mirror in your house? --Bob
You're an asshole.
Well, then

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#35 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:01 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:51 pm
Thanks. That explains why tgirl didn't source her claim that Fuentes is "one of the benficiaries of [President] Biden and [Vice President] Harris's failed immigration plan." She made it up (or credulously accepted the word of someone else who made it up). According to the story, Fuentes has been living in Columbus for at least seven years, long before the start of the Biden Administration. --Bob
And who hasn't pursued these people?
Well, then

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#36 Post by tlynn78 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:04 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:52 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:51 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:49 pm
Seems to me that's pretty much like arguing the existence of a Derek Chauvin is a reason to abolish all cops.

Even if what tgirl is claiming is true (and I note her conspicuous failure to source the claim), the existence of one bad apple is not a reason to change a policy affecting huge numbers of people. --Bob
I've mostly stopped wasting my time on the fact-averse.
So you've gotten rid of every mirror in your house? --Bob
Don't worry, Bobbo, your supply of cheap labor is safe at least through the remainder of Bidens term.
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#37 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:10 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:01 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:51 pm
Thanks. That explains why tgirl didn't source her claim that Fuentes is "one of the benficiaries of [President] Biden and [Vice President] Harris's failed immigration plan." She made it up (or credulously accepted the word of someone else who made it up). According to the story, Fuentes has been living in Columbus for at least seven years, long before the start of the Biden Administration. --Bob
And who hasn't pursued these people?
Donny, who had four full years to find the guy, and failed. He wasted resources instead trying to find everyone, which everyone knew was an impossible task. President Biden is taking the sensible tack of focusing enforcement resources on people who are actually dangerous. That still won't catch everyone, of course, but it'll catch a lot more of the people we really don't want living among us. --Bob
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#38 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:11 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:00 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:52 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:51 pm
I've mostly stopped wasting my time on the fact-averse.
So you've gotten rid of every mirror in your house? --Bob
You're an asshole.
Tgirl calls me "fact-averse," but I'm the asshole? Your judgment appears impaired. --Bob
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#39 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:17 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:11 pm
Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:00 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:52 pm
So you've gotten rid of every mirror in your house? --Bob
You're an asshole.
Tgirl calls me "fact-averse," but I'm the asshole? Your judgment appears impaired. --Bob
You've responded in kind, mirror etc, no escape there. Sorta back at ya thing. You're usually so LOGICAL ya know. Didn't think you'd be such a beyotch. Very surprising.
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#40 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:24 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:10 pm
Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:01 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:51 pm
Thanks. That explains why tgirl didn't source her claim that Fuentes is "one of the benficiaries of [President] Biden and [Vice President] Harris's failed immigration plan." She made it up (or credulously accepted the word of someone else who made it up). According to the story, Fuentes has been living in Columbus for at least seven years, long before the start of the Biden Administration. --Bob
And who hasn't pursued these people?
Donny, who had four full years to find the guy, and failed. He wasted resources instead trying to find everyone, which everyone knew was an impossible task. President Biden is taking the sensible tack of focusing enforcement resources on people who are actually dangerous. That still won't catch everyone, of course, but it'll catch a lot more of the people we really don't want living among us. --Bob
That's funny I don't care who yar.
Well, then

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#41 Post by tlynn78 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:35 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:24 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:10 pm
Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:01 pm
And who hasn't pursued these people?
Donny, who had four full years to find the guy, and failed. He wasted resources instead trying to find everyone, which everyone knew was an impossible task. President Biden is taking the sensible tack of focusing enforcement resources on people who are actually dangerous. That still won't catch everyone, of course, but it'll catch a lot more of the people we really don't want living among us. --Bob
That's funny I don't care who yar.
Not too many in his own party at this point would use "sensible" and Biden in the same sentence. Present company excluded, naturally.
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#42 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:02 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:17 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:11 pm
Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:00 pm
You're an asshole.
Tgirl calls me "fact-averse," but I'm the asshole? Your judgment appears impaired. --Bob
You've responded in kind, mirror etc, no escape there. Sorta back at ya thing. You're usually so LOGICAL ya know. Didn't think you'd be such a beyotch. Very surprising.
Just wanted to make sure you wouldn't threaten legal action. Like that.
Well, then

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#43 Post by tlynn78 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:06 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:02 pm
Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:17 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:11 pm
Tgirl calls me "fact-averse," but I'm the asshole? Your judgment appears impaired. --Bob
You've responded in kind, mirror etc, no escape there. Sorta back at ya thing. You're usually so LOGICAL ya know. Didn't think you'd be such a beyotch. Very surprising.
Just wanted to make sure you wouldn't threaten legal action. Like that.
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#44 Post by flocks lawyer » Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:54 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:00 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:52 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:51 pm
I've mostly stopped wasting my time on the fact-averse.
So you've gotten rid of every mirror in your house? --Bob
You're an asshole.
My client has already testified to that effect.
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#45 Post by flocks lawyer » Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:56 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:02 pm
Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:17 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:11 pm
Tgirl calls me "fact-averse," but I'm the asshole? Your judgment appears impaired. --Bob
You've responded in kind, mirror etc, no escape there. Sorta back at ya thing. You're usually so LOGICAL ya know. Didn't think you'd be such a beyotch. Very surprising.
Just wanted to make sure you wouldn't threaten legal action. Like that.
I will gladly represent you at a reduced rate.
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#46 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:05 pm

flocks lawyer wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:56 pm
Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:02 pm
Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:17 pm

You've responded in kind, mirror etc, no escape there. Sorta back at ya thing. You're usually so LOGICAL ya know. Didn't think you'd be such a beyotch. Very surprising.
Just wanted to make sure you wouldn't threaten legal action. Like that.
I will gladly represent you at a reduced rate.
Lemme think...
Well, then

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#47 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:03 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:46 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:56 pm
The rest of the story: turns out, the rapist was one of beneficiaries of Biden and Kamala's failed immigration 'plan'
Up until the arrest, right wing media was claiming the story was all a Democratic hoax. It's good that they are so adept at pivoting from one issue to another so quickly.
The Indiana doctor who helped the 10-year-old girl not have her rapist's baby is now being investigated by the Indiana Attorney General, for having the temerity to help a 10-year-old girl not have her rapist's baby. I'm sure the AG is stating different reasons, but we all know what's actually going on. More importantly, so do other doctors in Indiana who are also in position to help 10-year-old girls not have their rapists' babies. --Bob
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#48 Post by BackInTex » Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:36 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:03 am
silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:46 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:56 pm
The rest of the story: turns out, the rapist was one of beneficiaries of Biden and Kamala's failed immigration 'plan'
Up until the arrest, right wing media was claiming the story was all a Democratic hoax. It's good that they are so adept at pivoting from one issue to another so quickly.
The Indiana doctor who helped the 10-year-old girl not have her rapist's baby is now being investigated by the Indiana Attorney General, for having the temerity to help a 10-year-old girl not have her rapist's baby. I'm sure the AG is stating different reasons, but we all know what's actually going on. More importantly, so do other doctors in Indiana who are also in position to help 10-year-old girls not have their rapists' babies. --Bob
I find your commentary interesting.

It seems you are justifying the availability of abortion on demand by providing an example of the most justified (based on a personal assessment) but one of the least occuring situations.

This is the same approach used by many to justify gun ownership, to justify lax voting rules, or stricter voting rules, or to justify about anything. I'm not a fan of this type of argument for anything. We should not make decisions, laws, operate as a society based on the slightest exception.
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#49 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:02 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:36 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:03 am
silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:46 pm
Up until the arrest, right wing media was claiming the story was all a Democratic hoax. It's good that they are so adept at pivoting from one issue to another so quickly.
The Indiana doctor who helped the 10-year-old girl not have her rapist's baby is now being investigated by the Indiana Attorney General, for having the temerity to help a 10-year-old girl not have her rapist's baby. I'm sure the AG is stating different reasons, but we all know what's actually going on. More importantly, so do other doctors in Indiana who are also in position to help 10-year-old girls not have their rapists' babies. --Bob
I find your commentary interesting.

It seems you are justifying the availability of abortion on demand by providing an example of the most justified (based on a personal assessment) but one of the least occuring situations.

This is the same approach used by many to justify gun ownership, to justify lax voting rules, or stricter voting rules, or to justify about anything. I'm not a fan of this type of argument for anything. We should not make decisions, laws, operate as a society based on the slightest exception.
No, I'm using this as an example of the utter lack of compassion shown by most elected Republicans, who would instead set us on the path to Gilead. It illustrates that things really are just as bad as I've been saying. And the more voters who understand that, the stronger the recoil will become, and the sooner we can turn away from a path that leads to Handmaids.

And let me be clear -- this is clearly a performative act on the part of the Indiana Attorney General. Even if he thought that the doctor had done something to justify an investigation, there was no non-political reason to announce the investigation. The fact of an announcement makes it clear that the Attorney General's goal is to give pause to other Indiana doctors who are considering helping 10-year-old girls not carry their rapists' babies to term. --Bob
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#50 Post by Beebs52 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:19 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:02 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:36 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:03 am
The Indiana doctor who helped the 10-year-old girl not have her rapist's baby is now being investigated by the Indiana Attorney General, for having the temerity to help a 10-year-old girl not have her rapist's baby. I'm sure the AG is stating different reasons, but we all know what's actually going on. More importantly, so do other doctors in Indiana who are also in position to help 10-year-old girls not have their rapists' babies. --Bob
I find your commentary interesting.

It seems you are justifying the availability of abortion on demand by providing an example of the most justified (based on a personal assessment) but one of the least occuring situations.

This is the same approach used by many to justify gun ownership, to justify lax voting rules, or stricter voting rules, or to justify about anything. I'm not a fan of this type of argument for anything. We should not make decisions, laws, operate as a society based on the slightest exception.
No, I'm using this as an example of the utter lack of compassion shown by most elected Republicans, who would instead set us on the path to Gilead. It illustrates that things really are just as bad as I've been saying. And the more voters who understand that, the stronger the recoil will become, and the sooner we can turn away from a path that leads to Handmaids.

And let me be clear -- this is clearly a performative act on the part of the Indiana Attorney General. Even if he thought that the doctor had done something to justify an investigation, there was no non-political reason to announce the investigation. The fact of an announcement makes it clear that the Attorney General's goal is to give pause to other Indiana doctors who are considering helping 10-year-old girls not carry their rapists' babies to term. --Bob
Performative? I was going to apologize for calling you an asshole, cause that was an assholey thing for me to do.
But using the new hot meaningless neologism just to show your coolness?
Hmm
Well, then

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