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flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:32 am

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:27 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:17 am

Well, we could train certain malleable children to be informers. They can report any of the other children who are passing along unacceptable sexual information and we can send those kids, probably along with their older siblings and possibly their parents as well,to re-education camps.Maybe they'll come back, maybe not.
That's a proven method for handling these kinds of problems in the utopian cultures bob would like America to be.

That's the next step in Florida.

No, BJ. That will be fully under the control of the Ministry of Truth. It will take a little time, but the Ministry will grow in its power and influence, just as every department and program created in Washington DC has. If you had any brain to think with, you'd realize that what FL is doing is the exact opposite.

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:45 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:32 am

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:27 am

That's the next step in Florida.

No, BJ. That will be fully under the control of the Ministry of Truth. It will take a little time, but the Ministry will grow in its power and influence, just as every department and program created in Washington DC has. If you had any brain to think with, you'd realize that what FL is doing is the exact opposite.

Florida is effectively offering bounties to informers. --Bob

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:45 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:32 am

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:27 am

That's the next step in Florida.

No, BJ. That will be fully under the control of the Ministry of Truth. It will take a little time, but the Ministry will grow in its power and influence, just as every department and program created in Washington DC has. If you had any brain to think with, you'd realize that what FL is doing is the exact opposite.

Florida is effectively offering bounties to informers. --Bob

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:23 am

Every frickin person on this earth is an individual. They are uniquely different from every other person on earth, with their own thoughts, opinions, values. It seems that you, the leftists and the democrat party don't accept that anymore.

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:24 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:23 am

Every frickin person on this earth is an individual. They are uniquely different from every other person on earth, with their own thoughts, opinions, values. It seems that you, the leftists and the democrat party don't accept that anymore.

What you don't accept is that discrimination still exists and that just because there are no signs saying "colored water fountain," that minorities face substantial disparities in getting jobs, loans, arrested, convicted, and virtually every other aspect of their lives because of their race or ethnicity.

Spock wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:21 pm

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:24 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:23 am

Every frickin person on this earth is an individual. They are uniquely different from every other person on earth, with their own thoughts, opinions, values. It seems that you, the leftists and the democrat party don't accept that anymore.

What you don't accept is that discrimination still exists and that just because there are no signs saying "colored water fountain," that minorities face substantial disparities in getting jobs, loans, arrested, convicted, and virtually every other aspect of their lives because of their race or ethnicity.

And yet no explanations of how your Utopian visions don't end up with mass graves.

Oh, and BTW-SSS, you learned about sex the right way-Prove me wrong.

SSS>>"SSS>>>"but I "learned" about sex and "queers" from the other kids in school as we passed around stories, many of which were handed down from older brothers and sisters along with dirty pictures."<<<<

Spock wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:23 pm

In our rural (conservative? country area, one of the 6th Grade teachers (in the 70's and 80's and 90's and maybe before?) was widely known to be a "Queer" (in SSS's choice of words)-nobody did anything to him and he just lived his life.

I suppose that SSS and the Bobs would have preferred that he had taught us about his specific sexual practices. Never too soon for a pre-teen to learn about things like "Fisting' from a trusted adult.

He was an old school disciplinarian and believed in corporal punishment (spanking the kids) which may or may not be disturbing.

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:07 pm

Spock wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:23 pm

In our rural (conservative? country area, one of the 6th Grade teachers (in the 70's and 80's and 90's and maybe before?) was widely known to be a "Queer" (in SSS's choice of words)-nobody did anything to him and he just lived his life.

I suppose that SSS and the Bobs would have preferred that he had taught us about his specific sexual practices. Never too soon for a pre-teen to learn about things like "Fisting' from a trusted adult.

He was an old school disciplinarian and believed in corporal punishment (spanking the kids) which may or may not be disturbing.

That would be about as appropriate as a teacher teaching kids the details of specific practices common among heterosexual sexually active couples. Which is why it pretty much never happens, and no one is advocating that it should.

What we're talking about is teaching kids that some boys and girls find themselves liking girls, some boys and girls find themselves liking boys, and some boys and girls find themselves liking both, and any of those things are okay. Which would be a helluva lot different from the atmosphere I grew up in through high school, where calling someone "queer" was an attempt to shame or embarrass him (it was usually a boy). --Bob

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:13 pm

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:07 pm

Spock wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:23 pm

In our rural (conservative? country area, one of the 6th Grade teachers (in the 70's and 80's and 90's and maybe before?) was widely known to be a "Queer" (in SSS's choice of words)-nobody did anything to him and he just lived his life.

I suppose that SSS and the Bobs would have preferred that he had taught us about his specific sexual practices. Never too soon for a pre-teen to learn about things like "Fisting' from a trusted adult.

He was an old school disciplinarian and believed in corporal punishment (spanking the kids) which may or may not be disturbing.

That would be about as appropriate as a teacher teaching kids the details of specific practices common among heterosexual sexually active couples. Which is why it pretty much never happens, and no one is advocating that it should.

What we're talking about is teaching kids that some boys and girls find themselves liking girls, some boys and girls find themselves liking boys, and some boys and girls find themselves liking both, and any of those things are okay. Which would be a helluva lot different from the atmosphere I grew up in through high school, where calling someone "queer" was an attempt to shame or embarrass him (it was usually a boy). --Bob

Parents should teach that, bob. Not teachers. Not the school. Not the state. And not to 2nd graders. CAN YOU NOT GET THAT THROUGH YOUR SKULL?

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:26 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:13 pm

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:07 pm

That would be about as appropriate as a teacher teaching kids the details of specific practices common among heterosexual sexually active couples. Which is why it pretty much never happens, and no one is advocating that it should.

What we're talking about is teaching kids that some boys and girls find themselves liking girls, some boys and girls find themselves liking boys, and some boys and girls find themselves liking both, and any of those things are okay. Which would be a helluva lot different from the atmosphere I grew up in through high school, where calling someone "queer" was an attempt to shame or embarrass him (it was usually a boy). --Bob

Parents should teach that, bob. Not teachers. Not the school. Not the state. And not to 2nd graders. CAN YOU NOT GET THAT THROUGH YOUR SKULL?

And absolutely nothing any school anywhere could ever do will stop parents from teaching that, if they want to.

The problem arises with parents who want to teach their kids that boys liking boys or girls liking girls IS something to be ashamed of, of something kids should be embarrassed about. There's nothing to stop those parents from at least trying to pass along their views, but I don't think they should get a clear field to do so. Particularly if their kids are using those lessons as an excuse to attempt to shame or embarrass their classmates.

Second-graders are plenty old enough to know that some kids have two moms or two dads, just as they know that other kids have a mom and a dad, or just a mom, or just a dad. --Bob

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:51 pm

Yes, you ARE a waste of time. It's like debating a pull string puppet. Pissing in the wind.
People like you are exactly why these laws like FL passed are needed. And they need to be prosecuted.

Tallahassee Democrat wrote:School districts across the state are reviewing dozens of books, like "The Bluest Eye" by Toni Morrison, at the request of parents who question whether these books are harmful for students. But Leon County Schools has only received one official complaint so far, and it's about banning the Bible.

"Let's be honest — banning books is never a good idea, but what's fair is fair, and with that in mind, please find attached my request to ban the Bible," said Chaz Stevens in an email to Leon County Schools Superintendent Rocky Hanna. While Stevens' attempt may highlight the law of unintended consequences, school officials pointing to a new law are reviewing the request and have even begun auditing the number of Bibles in capital city schools.

The new law, which starts July 1, allows parents of students to review learning materials and contest them if they're considered inappropriate. Stevens, a resident of Deerfield Beach, said he is an archbishop with the First Church of Mars and is ordained in California and Florida. He describes himself as "an atheist activist who likes banana daquiris." He's grabbed headlines in the past in Florida for his Festivus pole display in the Florida Capitol.

He said he sent 62 superintendents in Florida a request to ban the Bible to protest House Bill 1467, which was signed into law by Gov. Ron DeSantis on March 28. "My goal is to use the law as our expert politicians in Tallahassee intended," Stevens said. "There were no carve outs for religious texts, so I would assume they meant for them to be in play.”

Starting July 1, however, the district will implement a standardized complaint form with specific criteria that is in the new legislation. School committee meetings where instructional materials are reviewed must be opened to the public under the law, while the Department of Education is required to provide training for those committee members on how to select "quality, age-appropriate books," according to a legislative analysis of the bill.

In Stevens' request to ban the Bible, he questioned the book's age appropriateness and highlighted passages about bestiality and rape, "wokeness," and social-emotional learning. "The most troubling of issues for many, as it’s obvious once we teach little Jimmy and Susie to show empathy for their classmates, they’re one giant step closer to getting their LGBTQ+ freak on," the request reads, then quotes the book of Genesis. "It is not good enough for man to be alone, therefore, encourage one another and build each other up! - Genesis 2:18."

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:13 pm

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:07 pm

Spock wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:23 pm

In our rural (conservative? country area, one of the 6th Grade teachers (in the 70's and 80's and 90's and maybe before?) was widely known to be a "Queer" (in SSS's choice of words)-nobody did anything to him and he just lived his life.

I suppose that SSS and the Bobs would have preferred that he had taught us about his specific sexual practices. Never too soon for a pre-teen to learn about things like "Fisting' from a trusted adult.

He was an old school disciplinarian and believed in corporal punishment (spanking the kids) which may or may not be disturbing.

That would be about as appropriate as a teacher teaching kids the details of specific practices common among heterosexual sexually active couples. Which is why it pretty much never happens, and no one is advocating that it should.

What we're talking about is teaching kids that some boys and girls find themselves liking girls, some boys and girls find themselves liking boys, and some boys and girls find themselves liking both, and any of those things are okay. Which would be a helluva lot different from the atmosphere I grew up in through high school, where calling someone "queer" was an attempt to shame or embarrass him (it was usually a boy). --Bob

Parents should teach that, bob. Not teachers. Not the school. Not the state. And not to 2nd graders. CAN YOU NOT GET THAT THROUGH YOUR SKULL?

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:52 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:13 pm

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:07 pm

That would be about as appropriate as a teacher teaching kids the details of specific practices common among heterosexual sexually active couples. Which is why it pretty much never happens, and no one is advocating that it should.

What we're talking about is teaching kids that some boys and girls find themselves liking girls, some boys and girls find themselves liking boys, and some boys and girls find themselves liking both, and any of those things are okay. Which would be a helluva lot different from the atmosphere I grew up in through high school, where calling someone "queer" was an attempt to shame or embarrass him (it was usually a boy). --Bob

Parents should teach that, bob. Not teachers. Not the school. Not the state. And not to 2nd graders. CAN YOU NOT GET THAT THROUGH YOUR SKULL?

Why is it a bad thing to promote an atmosphere where all students feel safe and comfortable? I will tell you from experience that if a child does not feel safe then learning about math, reading, or other academic subjects is nearly impossible. Laws such as the one in Florida go beyond the idea of "teaching" about gender identity issues (which really doesn't happen much) and gets into making it harder for a child who is "different" from feeling like it is OK.

Here is the reality. Putting aside all the non-instructional duties teachers have (which are myriad), a teacher has to come up with instruction for all of his/her students (which might number upwards of 30); integrating all of the various learning styles of the children; making sure that accommodating modifications for students with IEP's (for learning disabilities), 504 plans (for students with health issues), and EL plans(English Learner) potentially under threat of prosecution if those accommodations are not met; integrate technology into instruction to reflect 21st century learning; and make the material relevant to today's student. When you add in the specter of standardized testing, teachers just simply don't have the time do "indoctrinate" students. If I had the time and/or the abilty to indoctrinate students, I would indoctrinate them to do all their work and turn it in on time and to bring me coffee in the morning.

No offense intended to you, because this also applies to nearly all of the lawmakers and politicians who make these laws, but you have no clue what being in a classroom is all about and unless you are willing to stand in front of a room full of eyes looking to you for guidance, instruction, protection, and kindness (even if they will not acknowledge that themselves), you never will.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:39 pm

krox, we are talking about kindergarten, 1st and second graders. They don't have sexual feelings yet. Yes, you have a lot to deal with getting them ready to learn what they need to learn when they're older. They do not need to, and shouldn't be, instructed in anything to do with adult sexuality at this age. That is the responsibility of their parents exclusively. If the state wants to butt in, then they should provide their advice to the child's parents, and not entrust this sensitive issue to their employees.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:46 pm

Florida is effectively offering bounties to informers. --Bob

Encouraging citizens to monitor and report on public officials is not wrong.

Encouraging citizens to monitor and report on private citizens is more in line with what you are insinuating.

Big difference. Shall we find examples of the later?

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 30, 2022 8:48 pm

And I would say setting up a government agency to monitor and determine what speech is ok and what is 'misinformation' is completely wrong, dangerous, totally unconstitutional and something many wise and prophetic people have warned against.

Jim Geraghty National Review wrote:In theory, this proposal doesn’t have to be a terrible idea, in that is allegedly designed to rebut “human smuggling organizations peddling misinformation to exploit vulnerable migrants for profit,” as well as monitoring messages from terrorist and extremist groups. Wherever you stand on illegal immigration, we should all oppose coyotes and human smugglers taking advantage of people. And since at least 2014, the U.S. has been bedeviled by the perception in some Central American countries that the United States is offering “permisos” for children who cross the border illegally — a rumor that picked up steam after President Obama announced he would not deport children who had come into the country illegally with their parents. If this new DHS group spends its time publicly declaring that there are no special, secret, or little-known loopholes for migrants who wish to enter the U.S., it will do some good.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon May 02, 2022 2:22 pm

Yeah, the Rulers of the Internet have been doing this for years. Censoring the sitting President of the US while allowing the Ayatollahs of Iran post whatever poison they want. Canceling and censoring conservative voices and experts that don't follow the current approved narrative.

But it's apparently too much for the ROTI to handle on their own. So we need the Federal government to do it. And they've appointed their most qualified anti -conservative to head it.

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Thu May 26, 2022 1:11 pm

Flock,

How do you feel about Senator Warnock's proposal to have the government work to prevent school shootings by monitoring the use of social media? Is preventing school shootings a good enough reason for the government to take on this role? --Bob