What will L.A. Etc Use for the Mark?

[Bob78164]

Spock is not insisting on his right to cough into other people's faces.

Given how contagious the Delta variant is, he most certainly is insisting on the right to infect other people whether they like it or not. And Spock, along with others like him, are the exact people who are filling up hospital beds so that those among us with other ailments can't be timely treated for them because all of the unnecessary COVID patients are hogging all of the necessary resources.

Like most of vaccinated America, I've lost patience with the use of carrots to get him to do what's right. It's time to impose real consequences, directly on Spock and people like him, for the freedoms they are taking from me. Such as the freedom to count on a hospital bed if I need one. --Bob

This struck me. Your statement reeks of entitlement. One is not guaranteed a room if needed even without a pandemic. There are many variables.

And BiT articulated it well above, Spock isn't madly, insanely carousing around hacking loogies on people.

Oh, and are you focusing your ire on every single demographic that refuses vaccination, or just white conservatives?

All of them. But white conservatives are the ones using political power, not just to refuse to protect others, but to actively interfere with local governments' efforts to protect their citizens. In Florida, thanks to white conservatives, private businesses aren't allowed to restrict access to the vaccinated. In Texas, thanks to white conservatives, local governments aren't allowed to require masks. Which gives the lie to the supposed conservative principle that the government closest to the people is the government that knows best. What's really true of today's conservative politicians is that they want to exercise as much power as they possibly can, in any way they can.

Your other point is mistaken. Everyone is entitled to emergency treatment whether they can afford payment or not. --Bob

[Beebs52]

Given how contagious the Delta variant is, he most certainly is insisting on the right to infect other people whether they like it or not. And Spock, along with others like him, are the exact people who are filling up hospital beds so that those among us with other ailments can't be timely treated for them because all of the unnecessary COVID patients are hogging all of the necessary resources.

Like most of vaccinated America, I've lost patience with the use of carrots to get him to do what's right. It's time to impose real consequences, directly on Spock and people like him, for the freedoms they are taking from me. Such as the freedom to count on a hospital bed if I need one. --Bob

This struck me. Your statement reeks of entitlement. One is not guaranteed a room if needed even without a pandemic. There are many variables.

And BiT articulated it well above, Spock isn't madly, insanely carousing around hacking loogies on people.

Oh, and are you focusing your ire on every single demographic that refuses vaccination, or just white conservatives?

All of them. But white conservatives are the ones using political power, not just to refuse to protect others, but to actively interfere with local governments' efforts to protect their citizens. In Florida, thanks to white conservatives, private businesses aren't allowed to restrict access to the vaccinated. In Texas, thanks to white conservatives, local governments aren't allowed to require masks. Which gives the lie to the supposed conservative principle that the government closest to the people is the government that knows best. What's really true of today's conservative politicians is that they want to exercise as much power as they possibly can, in any way they can.

Your other point is mistaken. Everyone is entitled to emergency treatment whether they can afford payment or not. --Bob

"Your other point is mistaken. Everyone is entitled to emergency treatment whether they can afford payment or not. --Bob"

You missed my point. If your local hospital is filled up with casualties as a result of an earthquake or a wildfire caused by crunchy earthdogs who failed to douse a campfire (and I'm sure you would castigate them), you also wouldn't be guaranteed the "freedom" of getting a room. Forget payment, has nothing to do with it. Variables.

[Spock]

Beebs>>>"And BiT articulated it well above, Spock isn't madly, insanely carousing around hacking loogies on people.<<<<

Damn, now that Beebs has expectations of me-there go my Friday Night plans.

[Bob78164]

This struck me. Your statement reeks of entitlement. One is not guaranteed a room if needed even without a pandemic. There are many variables.

And BiT articulated it well above, Spock isn't madly, insanely carousing around hacking loogies on people.

Oh, and are you focusing your ire on every single demographic that refuses vaccination, or just white conservatives?

All of them. But white conservatives are the ones using political power, not just to refuse to protect others, but to actively interfere with local governments' efforts to protect their citizens. In Florida, thanks to white conservatives, private businesses aren't allowed to restrict access to the vaccinated. In Texas, thanks to white conservatives, local governments aren't allowed to require masks. Which gives the lie to the supposed conservative principle that the government closest to the people is the government that knows best. What's really true of today's conservative politicians is that they want to exercise as much power as they possibly can, in any way they can.

Your other point is mistaken. Everyone is entitled to emergency treatment whether they can afford payment or not. --Bob

"Your other point is mistaken. Everyone is entitled to emergency treatment whether they can afford payment or not. --Bob"

You missed my point. If your local hospital is filled up with casualties as a result of an earthquake or a wildfire caused by crunchy earthdogs who failed to douse a campfire (and I'm sure you would castigate them), you also wouldn't be guaranteed the "freedom" of getting a room. Forget payment, has nothing to do with it. Variables.

But in your examples, the shortages aren't being caused by people obstinately refusing to protect themselves from a preventable illness.

We've known since 1905 that the government has the authority to compel people to protect themselves from illness by mandating vaccinations. As far as I'm concerned, it's time for government to exercise that authority, and I'm pretty sure a majority of the American public agrees with me about that. --Bob

[Beebs52]

All of them. But white conservatives are the ones using political power, not just to refuse to protect others, but to actively interfere with local governments' efforts to protect their citizens. In Florida, thanks to white conservatives, private businesses aren't allowed to restrict access to the vaccinated. In Texas, thanks to white conservatives, local governments aren't allowed to require masks. Which gives the lie to the supposed conservative principle that the government closest to the people is the government that knows best. What's really true of today's conservative politicians is that they want to exercise as much power as they possibly can, in any way they can.

Your other point is mistaken. Everyone is entitled to emergency treatment whether they can afford payment or not. --Bob

"Your other point is mistaken. Everyone is entitled to emergency treatment whether they can afford payment or not. --Bob"

You missed my point. If your local hospital is filled up with casualties as a result of an earthquake or a wildfire caused by crunchy earthdogs who failed to douse a campfire (and I'm sure you would castigate them), you also wouldn't be guaranteed the "freedom" of getting a room. Forget payment, has nothing to do with it. Variables.

But in your examples, the shortages aren't being caused by people obstinately refusing to protect themselves from a preventable illness.

We've known since 1905 that the government has the authority to compel people to protect themselves from illness by mandating vaccinations. As far as I'm concerned, it's time for government to exercise that authority, and I'm pretty sure a majority of the American public agrees with me about that. --Bob

That has NOTHING to do with my point. I quit.

[Bob78164]

What is your point? That because other factors may make hospital rooms unavailable I should be okay with conduct that materially increases the likelihood that hospital rooms will be unavailable when I, or someone I care about, needs one? Because that's exactly what's going on. --Bob

[Estonut]

Beebs>>>"And BiT articulated it well above, Spock isn't madly, insanely carousing around hacking loogies on people.<<<<

Damn, now that Beebs has expectations of me-there go my Friday Night plans.

She has expectorations of you.

[Earl the Squirrel]

How about a tattoo on the forearm?

And yes, I'm being as ridiculous as possible trying to match (but failing) the ridiculousity of all this blather. What's the BFD? When I was vaccinated they gave me a card in a little plastic folder. Like a drivers' license, a library card, a SSN card, a damned Costco membership card.

For anybody worried about their by god American Rights and staying off the grid and their Right to Do Whatever the Fuck They Want, that boat sailed at least a century ago. In return, we have social programs, free schooling, internet, modern medicine, and COSTCO WAREHOUSES.

Those pining for the days of the Great Frontier obviously never experienced them, or they'd change their mind damned quick.

My dad had polio as a kid. Everybody gave their dimes and made a damned difference! And that's what being an American should be all about.

[Bob Juch]

Two Hawaii tourists arrested for falsifying vaccination cards

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... tion-cards

Two tourists who traveled to Hawaii over the weekend have been arrested after authorities said they violated the state’s coronavirus restrictions by falsifying vaccine cards.

The Hawaii attorney general’s office told The Hill on Friday that two men, identified by USA Today as Norbert Chung, 57, and Trevor Chung, 19, both from the U.S. mainland, were detained at Honolulu’s Daniel K. Inouye Airport on Sunday after receiving a tip from a community member prior to their arrival.

Gary Yamashiroya, a spokesperson for state Attorney General Clare Connors (D), said that the two tourists were arraigned Thursday morning and face up to one year in prison, as well as a maximum of $5,000 in fines.

The two men were found to be in violation of Hawaii’s Safe Travels program, which requires all travelers from any part of the U.S. and its territories to provide proof of vaccination to avoid a mandatory 10-day quarantine upon arrival.

Yamashiroya said that the attorney general’s office “will investigate and prosecute those who cheat the Safe Travels program, which was established to keep our islands safe.”

Hawaii Gov. David Ige (D) addressed the arrests in his Tuesday news conference on the state of COVID-19, saying that authorities will prosecute the men “to the fullest extent of the law.”

[Beebs52]

States rights, etc. Just don't visit or frequent those places requiring vax passports. I guess my question would be will they arrest vaccinated, passport carrying tourists who unbeknownst to themselves have a breakthrough infection? Will there be flu, aids, std passports soon?

For the record, we are vaccinated. We wear masks where required. We don't wear masks where it's not required. We use common sense. We wash our hands a lot.We don't congregate in big ol' birthday parties in Martha's Vineyard. We have family members who are not vaccinated and it distresses us.

But until protocols and facts about variants stop morphing I'm sure as hell not going to jump on a fucking self righteous steed and call for a purge, which some of you usual suspects seem to advocate.

[Spock]

Yeah, and don't forget how, of anyone here-he congratulates himself the most on how he would stand up to tyranny.

"Tyranny" is not supporting public health measures that have been documented effective in a situation in which hospitals are literally being overrun with new cases.

If you and your Sons of the Pioneers buddies want to sit around and infect and kill each other to prove your manhood, that would be one thing.

I love your endless ongoing fascination with my 'Sons of the Pioneers" buddies. However, as a lesson in how things work in the real world (and as hard as it may be for you to believe)-I don't think vaccination has ever been mentioned there (other than in passing?)and I really have no idea who may or may not be vaccinated there and/or what their opinions might be-and I simply don't care one way or the other.

However, if they have different opinions than I do-I can probably trust that they don't want to stand me up against a wall unlike the route that some here seem to heading down.

BTW-How soon are you going to have to get your first booster shot? With all the talk of needed booster shots popping up recently-(including from Fauci) my natural immunity from having it is looking pretty good.

[Bob78164]

However, if they have different opinions than I do-I can probably trust that they don't want to stand me up against a wall unlike the route that some here seem to heading down.

You mean, like these people? --Bob

[Spock]

However, if they have different opinions than I do-I can probably trust that they don't want to stand me up against a wall unlike the route that some here seem to heading down.

You mean, like these people? --Bob

Yeah, it is easy to sit on your computer in L.A. and do your "Marshall Bob" tough talk routine about "Real World Consequences" for white conservatives at a remove of several hundred miles.

Why don't you do step out of your door just a short distance and into the out-of-doors and do your patented "Marshall Bob" tough talk routine about real world consequences to some of the undervaxxed demographics in your neck of the woods? See how that goes for you.

[BackInTex]

While we're at it I guess we should make it a crime for gay men to have unprotected sex, regardless of HIV status because well, we should make them care about others.

[Spock]

it is apparent that the Marshall Bobs of the world want to keep the unvaxxed out of stores. This raises the question-will they institute rationing on the Vaxxed people to prevent vaccinated friends and relatives from buying food for the Unvaxxed?

Can the Unvaxxed buy food over the internet?

Real World consequences have to be imposed you know.

[silverscreenselect]

BTW-How soon are you going to have to get your first booster shot? With all the talk of needed booster shots popping up recently-(including from Fauci) my natural immunity from having it is looking pretty good.

I plan to get a booster shot for myself and Mrs. SSS as soon as they are authorized. Unlike you, I'm not going by a playbook that's several months old and in the world of rapidly mutating viruses, already out of date.

Whatever validity your arguments may have had with the original version of the virus, they are badly outdated now. The median age of those being hospitalized now is in their 40s. The largest single demographic of hospitalizations is people 18-49. Pediatric hospitalizations have dramatically increased. This delta variant is far more contagious and having "natural immunity" is no guaranty you won't get it again. And you might also look up "long haul" COVID to see what some people are experiencing months after they have "recovered."

Again, if this was just a case of your risk to yourself, I'd view your decision to refuse the vaccine the same way I'd view someone's decision to start smoking or taking crack: An extremely poor health choice but a personal one. But this is not personal. Unless you spend the rest of your life in isolation down on the farm, you come in contact with others and breathe the same air they do. You don't have to spit in someone's fact to spread the disease. Just breathing in air that reaches them will do it. So there's the risk of getting the disease, for the first time or again and then passing it on.

It's ironic that throughout this entire pandemic, the reason that the case, hospitalization, and death count have been as low as they have has been because a large number of people did follow CDC advice, and that reduced the exposure of everyone, including those who ignored all advice. So, you and your buddies benefitted from all your neighbors who did get the vaccine. And if there were no delta variant, we'd probably be largely out of the woods, with limited outbreaks that could be contained. But things have changed, only you don't seem to have realized it. You're still spouting the same statistics you were throwing around six months ago.

I'm curious, when you listen to Hayseed and Husband, do they mention the delta variant at all? Does that enter into whatever advice they're giving you? Perhaps those 40-year-old unvaccinated teachers in Broward County who died last week decided to put their natural immunity to the test.

[silverscreenselect]

it is apparent that the Marshall Bobs of the world want to keep the unvaxxed out of stores.

See what's happened for years to people without shirts and shoes who want to go into a lot of stores.

[Bob78164]

North Texas has run out of pediatric ICU beds. Mighty strange, considering that the disease (according to Spock) doesn't hurt kids. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

North Texas has run out of pediatric ICU beds. Mighty strange, considering that the disease (according to Spock) doesn't hurt kids. --Bob

For those who don't care to follow links:

That means if your child’s in a car wreck, if your child has a congenital heart defect ... and needs an ICU bed, or more likely if they have COVID and need an ICU bed, we don’t have one. Your child will wait for another child to die.

[Spock]

SSS>>>I plan to get a booster shot for myself and Mrs. SSS as soon as they are authorized."<<<<

As you should. As I said before-you are a 70 YO male (roughly) with a history of cancer.

OTOH-Scaring the shit out of 12 YO girls for a cold bug with a 99.9 something percent survival rate (while it serves your political purposes) is another can of worms.

Also, at this point, I am choosing to trust natural immunity which had worked for humans for awhile.

Like I said-if the beds were full of 2X Covid patients that would be trumpeted from here to Timbuctoo.

At this point it seems that 2X Covid patients filling hospital beds is "The Dog that didn't bark.

[Beebs52]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -finds.htm

Snort.

[Spock]

I wonder if Marshall Bob with all his tough talk wears a mask outside when nobody is near him.

[silverscreenselect]

OTOH-Scaring the shit out of 12 YO girls for a cold bug with a 99.9 something percent survival rate (while it serves your political purposes) is another can of worms.

While 12-year-olds can get vaccinated, 11-year-olds cannot, and the pediatric intensive care units are filling up rapidly with them.

Natural immunity "worked" for centuries because there was nothing better available. Riding horses and relying on fire for light and heat worked for centuries because there was nothing better available. But I have a sneaking suspicion you drive a car and have a better way of heating your home in the winter and cooking your food than a bonfire in the living room.

And this isn't "trumpeting" the news but it's out there:

It's the argument that some have used to not get vaccinated. "I've had COVID - therefore I don't need to get the vaccine." Turns out that's not entirely true. On Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a study reporting that individuals who've had COVID are twice as likely to get reinfected.
"We don't know exactly how protected or how long the protection from natural infection will last," said [Dr. Timothy] Henrich UCSF Professor of Medicine in Residence. Dr. Henrich has been studying the long term impacts of COVID-19 and says the immune response from natural infection is not as high.

In the CDC study, residents who were infected with COVID in 2020 experienced a reinfection between May and June of 2021. That's the same time the Delta variant intensified across the country.

https://abc7news.com/covid-immunity-cor ... /10936598/

And studies of cases in May and June, when the virus was on the decline across the country thanks to vaccination efforts, aren't indicative of what's going on today. On June 30, the rolling seven-day average of new cases in this country was approximately 12,500. Today, it's 129,000. That's due to the delta variant, which took a while to take hold in this country.

Unfortunately, due to the way the scientific method works, it will take a couple of months to get reliable clinical data showing the current rate of reinfection among those vaccinated versus those not, and the severity of the reinfections. But facts don't matter with you, unless they come from one of your handful of "trusted" sources. Because once you get proven wrong yet again, you come up with some new unsubstantiated "facts" to support the latest version of your point. You've been fortunate so far that you and your family have avoided the worst. And I hope you do, because a long stay in the hospital (or worse) with Covid is a horrible fate for anyone. But there are a growing number of people who felt just like you who have now lived (or in many cases not lived) to regret it.

[Spock]

SSS>>>"While 12-year-olds can get vaccinated, 11-year-olds cannot, and the pediatric intensive care units are filling up rapidly with them."<<<

And yet, nothing about how you are needlessly scaring the living shit out of little Girls-which obviously suits your political purposes.

Any thoughts on the long-term effects of such fear-or do you get your jollies from that?

Oh, and as far as 11 YO's filling the beds-we will see about that.

You are simply the best there is at jumping on an initial media narrative and when the facts on the ground a couple of weeks later don't match that narrative-it doesn't matter to you because you have already moved to the next "Squirrel."

[silverscreenselect]

And yet, nothing about how you are needlessly scaring the living shit out of little Girls-which obviously suits your political purposes.

It's called educating. When I was around that age, I was scared of getting polio.

Fewer than 350 people a year under the age of 21 have been abducted by strangers in the United States in the last decade, but that hasn't prevented generations of parents talking to their children about that subject.