I think her writers set her up

[Bob78164]

Secretary Clinton didn't lie to Congress or to the FBI.

unverifiable. Unproven she lied does not mean it is verified.

No evidence that she lied means you don't get to accuse her of perjury.

So her testimony that she never handled classified material that was marked as classified was true.

She would be the 1st Secretary of State in history to never have handled classified documents.

Fine. Via her personal e-mail account.

He lied about seeing New Jersey citizens celebrating 9/11 (they didn't).

Again, unverifiable, unless you have a personal body cam video from every citizen of NJ from that day.

There were an awful lot of people in New Jersey that day. Not one of them has ever come forward with evidence of such celebrations. For any Presidential candidate to repeatedly make that claim is beyond the pale.

That's leaving aside Trump's unique status as the only major-party nominee in my lifetime to condone and even encourage physical violence against his political opponents, even going so far as to offer to pay the legal fees of thugs who engage in such tactics.

Why don't you just put this in your signature line. This is probably the 40th time you used this.

It's still true.

Not a single person has died, or even been injured, because of Trump's actions, lack of actions, or rhetoric. We can't say the same of Hilary's.

False. There's plenty of evidence of people who have been roughed up at Trump rallies. And the damage he'd be able to cause if he ever acquired actual power is incalculable.

And if this is an attempt to blame Secretary Clinton for Benghazi, that tired old line died a couple of years ago. Why do you think the Republicans shifted their line of attack to e-mail? Because they knew there was no "there" there.

Donald Trump doesn't give a damn about fundamental American values of democracy, the truth, the First Amendment, or anything that I can discern other than his own ego. And that's not something I'd have said about any of his competitors for the nomination, or any of the Republican Party's previous nominees. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

This is why Melania Trump's plagiarism matters

http://www.businessinsider.com/melania- ... ons-2016-7

You could pretty much say the exact same things about Obama in 2008. Well you couldn't because it would be true and well, I'll just let that sit and simmer a while.

The Republican convention is turning into a trainwreck, and managing TV infomercials and reality shows is supposed to be Trump's forte. The point remains, if he can't manage four days with a convention hall full of Republicans, how is he going to manage anything if he gets elected. Maybe he can ask his good buddy Putin for some pointers. Unfortunately, Trump can't ask one guy the Donald admires for his fight against terrorists, Saddam Hussein, because Hussein's dead.

[silverscreenselect]

So her testimony that she never handled classified material that was marked as classified was true.

She would be the 1st Secretary of State in history to never have handled classified documents.

She never said she never handled classified material. She just didn't handle that material on her private server. Hillary did they same thing I've done, and probably a lot of other people here have done, forwarded documents from work to home to do some additional work on them. And yes, in her case that was a lot more serious a violation, but the statement remains that she never knowingly routed classified e-mail to that server.

It's astonishing the huge number of prosecutors and cops over the decades who have looked to get the goods on the Clintons but never have managed to do that. They must be the greatest criminal geniuses since Professor Moriarty.

[Bob Juch]

So her testimony that she never handled classified material that was marked as classified was true.

She would be the 1st Secretary of State in history to never have handled classified documents.

She never said she never handled classified material. She just didn't handle that material on her private server. Hillary did they same thing I've done, and probably a lot of other people here have done, forwarded documents from work to home to do some additional work on them. And yes, in her case that was a lot more serious a violation, but the statement remains that she never knowingly routed classified e-mail to that server.

It's astonishing the huge number of prosecutors and cops over the decades who have looked to get the goods on the Clintons but never have managed to do that. They must be the greatest criminal geniuses since Professor Moriarty.

To use your favorite type of excuse: Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, and Madeleine Albright all had private servers and have admitted to transmitting known classified material on them.

[BackInTex]

The Republican convention is turning into a trainwreck

That's the narrative the media is trying to spin.

[Bob78164]

The Republican convention is turning into a trainwreck

That's the narrative the media is trying to spin.

Then it's a good thing the conductor is giving them so much to work with. --Bob

[tlynn78]

The Republican convention is turning into a trainwreck

That's the narrative the media is trying to spin.

I've actually spoken to several people attending the convention - they are, to a person, astounded at how different their actual experiences are compared to what they're seeing on the 'news.' Shocker.

[tlynn78]

You could have saved yourself a great deal of time by simply typing <insert> "Clinton apologist"

Name-calling is not a substantive response, and it's unworthy of an elected official.

Everything I wrote (except the prediction about Trump's future conduct) is currently verifiable. If you think I misstated facts, please say so and identify the facts you believe I misstated. Otherwise, please acknowledge that my facts are accurate. --Bob

LOL - given what (or whom) you consider worthy of being an elected official, I believe I'll take that as a compliment.

[Estonut]

This is why Melania Trump's plagiarism matters

http://www.businessinsider.com/melania- ... ons-2016-7

Did it matter when MO plagiarized it the first time?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-1 ... 008-speech

[Estonut]

To use your favorite type of excuse: Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, and Madeleine Albright all had private servers and have admitted to transmitting known classified material on them.

I am shocked that a computer expert like you doesn't know the difference between private e-mail and a private server!!

[Bob Juch]

To use your favorite type of excuse: Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, and Madeleine Albright all had private servers and have admitted to transmitting known classified material on them.

I am shocked that a computer expert like you doesn't know the difference between private e-mail and a private server!!

Of course I do. What makes you think I don't?

[Bob Juch]

This is why Melania Trump's plagiarism matters

http://www.businessinsider.com/melania- ... ons-2016-7

Did it matter when MO plagiarized it the first time?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-1 ... 008-speech

Seriously? The only phrase the two have in common is, "your word is your bond".

[earendel]

This is why Melania Trump's plagiarism matters

http://www.businessinsider.com/melania- ... ons-2016-7

Did it matter when MO plagiarized it the first time?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-1 ... 008-speech

Seriously? The only phrase the two have in common is, "your word is your bond".

I can't access esto's link, but snopes has two articles regarding Michelle Obama's alleged plagiarism.
http://www.snopes.com/michelle-obama-pl ... n-r-covey/
http://www.snopes.com/michelle-obama-co ... l-alinsky/

[ghostjmf]

Can' t delete dups

[Bob78164]

I can't access esto's link, but snopes has two articles regarding Michelle Obama's alleged plagiarism.
http://www.snopes.com/michelle-obama-pl ... n-r-covey/
http://www.snopes.com/michelle-obama-co ... l-alinsky/

The link makes the following contention: "[T]he IOTWReport website finds some curious analogues between Michelle's own 2008 speech, and a book written in 1992 by African author Rob Marsh titled, 'Business success in South Africa.'"

The passage quoted from the book:

“...is based upon the application of certain basic truths: that integrity is all important, that your word is your bond, that if you owe a person money you pay him back, that you work hard, enjoy what you do and show a loyalty to those with whom you work and do business. He instilled in me simple, clear cut values and a will to succeed." --Bob

[ghostjmf]

One of the snopes refs gets a "completely false" from snopes, the other a "mostly false". They both discuss the same source.

Its not whether a phrase has ever been put together before, its how you use it.

If I paraphrase the Gettysburg Address, without using an actual word from the Address except articles like "a" & "the", it would still be plagiarism in my book. Mrs. Trump didn't even rephrase.

[Bob Juch]

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/07/20/ ... e-checker/

[BackInTex]

LOL. So much attention being paid to a speech made by the wife of a candidate, a speech not in the native tongue of the wife who speaks 5 languages.

So its a fact that her speech writer used several phrases already used by a previous 1st lady who only speaks one language.

This is for anyone who thinks this is more of an issue than whether the candidates follow the "repeat" instructions on their shampoo bottles: you're an idiot.

[Bob78164]

LOL. So much attention being paid to a speech made by the wife of a candidate, a speech not in the native tongue of the wife who speaks 5 languages.

So its a fact that her speech writer used several phrases already used by a previous 1st lady who only speaks one language.

This is for anyone who thinks this is more of an issue than whether the candidates follow the "repeat" instructions on their shampoo bottles: you're an idiot.

The plagiarism itself isn't the issue. But it speaks volumes about the campaign's competence, and through it, the candidate's.

This is the sort of mistake that shouldn't have happened. They've known for months that Melania Trump would be delivering this speech, so they had lots of lead time to get it right. But they didn't. That tells me that the candidate isn't interested in assembling a team that gets it right, and the candidate himself wants the title, but isn't willing to do the hard work that the job requires once you've got it.

As additional evidence that Trump wants the glory but won't do the work, take a look at this article on his Vice Presidential selection process. He wanted Kasich. He was willing to allow Kasich to be in charge of domestic policy. And foreign policy. What did that leave for President Trump to do? "Making America great again!"

The incident also gives a window into the candidate's crisis-management skills. This goes away immediately if they'd just said, "oops." Instead, the campaign dug in, and just kept digging. Trump's sales pitch is his competence. It seems to me he's running the campaign with all the competence he brought to bear while bankrupting a casino and running Trump University. --Bob

[Bob78164]

No way this was accidental. And they could be certain that she wouldn't have a clue.

Here's a link to the letter from the speechwriter who's accepting the blame.

But here's the thing. According to the letter, during a phone call Melania Trump read passages that she admired to Ms. McIver, who then incorporated them into the speech without realizing they were lifted. Okay, fine (although any competent campaign would have run the final version of the speech through an on-line plagiarism checker). But if that's the case, shouldn't Ms. Trump herself have realized that the words were stolen?

And then of course we have Trump's campaign manager, who lied when he said the speech wasn't plagiarized.

Their lack of crisis-management skills is the gift that keeps on giving. Or at least it would be if there weren't a respectable chance that the chief crisis himself could find himself in the Situation Room less than a year from now. And that thought is scary enough to abruptly end any feelings of schadenfreude I might otherwise have had. --Bob

[BackInTex]

The incident also gives a window into the candidate's crisis-management skills.

You really want to go there?

No, Trump didn't push the blame off on some web-based movie, but I'm sure he does have some crisis-management skills and someone will step forward and take the blame.

[silvercamaro]

My reaction is, to the exent that Melania may have borrowed words or thoughts, that she took them from my mother and probably your mother, everybody's grandfather, countless commencement speakers, and an array of would-be small town mayors, among others. In other words, there is an unofficial and probably unpublished list of "Good Things To Say." Many public speakers snag phrases from the list as it floats around the ether. That may mean the speakers are not particularly original in every respect, but they've still said good things. This does not rise to the level of plagiarism, any more than if I advise a prospective sun-bather to "Wear sunscreen," even though that has been said before.

[Bob Juch]

My reaction is, to the exent that Melania may have borrowed words or thoughts, that she took them from my mother and probably your mother, everybody's grandfather, countless commencement speakers, and an array of would-be small town mayors, among others. In other words, there is an unofficial and probably unpublished list of "Good Things To Say." Many public speakers snag phrases from the list as it floats around the ether. That may mean the speakers are not particularly original in every respect, but they've still said good things. This does not rise to the level of plagiarism, any more than if I advise a prospective sun-bather to "Wear sunscreen," even though that has been said before.

You should apply to be Trump's Excuser-in-Chief.

[Bob Juch]

"It's not the crime but the coverup."

[jarnon]

No way this was accidental. And they could be certain that she wouldn't have a clue.

Here's a link to the letter from the speechwriter who's accepting the blame.

Meredith joins a long list of scapegoats like Troy Trenkle. She's lucky she's still got a job. Hopefully, Trump is using professional political speechwriters, not a writer borrowed from his company. From the sound of his speech last night, I think Don did.