Walmart's having a food drive

[silverscreenselect]

Walmart depends on our legal framework for its very existence. Its employees should be able to use that framework to have a livable existence.

Exactly. The 13th amendment pretty much covers it. Those employees are free, free to leave Walmart anytime they want and to go work for higher wages where someone is willing to pay them those wages.

They are also free to seek redress through our government by means of a livable minimum wage law.

[silverscreenselect]

It is not to get paid by an employer. It is to provide a service or value to the employer and they should be compensated based on that value. That value is complicated but whatever it is, the employee should be the one to make sure they can provide enough value to support themselves and their family to their employer.

Unless you're Payton Manning, an individual employee is at a vast bargaining disadvantage compared to an employer like Wal Mart. WalMart is to a certain extent equally dependent on its capital and management on the one hand and its employees on the other for its success, but the employees for the most part do not bargain as a unit. There are only a couple of ways they can do something about that. One is by organizing collectively, and the other is by using their true power, which is the power of the ballot, to enact favorable labor law legislation. Although Wal Mart employees can't effectively negotiate on their own, by banding together with enough like minded voters who recognize the benefits of a self-supporting working class, they can elect like minded legislators.

Walmart depends on our legal framework for its very existence. Its employees should be able to use that framework to have a livable existence.

Walmart employees are trying to unionize. Of course Walmart is getting rid of those who try to organize that. There hundreds of unlawful discharge lawsuits pending.

Last week, the National Labor Relations Board filed charges against Walmart for illegally disciplining and firing employees because of protected labor organizing activities. The Board is holding off on the filing of an official complaint, which puts the matter into active litigation, in order to give the company and unions an opportunity to work things out. From the article, this could be one of the largest cases the NLRB has gotten involved in.

http://www.insidecounsel.com/2013/11/19 ... D=91539246

[BackInTex]

Walmart depends on our legal framework for its very existence. Its employees should be able to use that framework to have a livable existence.

Exactly. The 13th amendment pretty much covers it. Those employees are free, free to leave Walmart anytime they want and to go work for higher wages where someone is willing to pay them those wages.

They are also free to seek redress through our government by means of a livable minimum wage law.

Under which article in the constitution?

[Bob Juch]

Exactly. The 13th amendment pretty much covers it. Those employees are free, free to leave Walmart anytime they want and to go work for higher wages where someone is willing to pay them those wages.

They are also free to seek redress through our government by means of a livable minimum wage law.

Under which article in the constitution?

The First Amendment.

[Bob Juch]

[Beebs52]

Curious.When did you last shop at some bad corporate entity? Do you own a car, wear clothes, take pictures, drive, buy chicken, go to movies that use horrible products to make their films, buy paper, have a computer...oh gawd petroleum products. Unless you're self sufficient you're a hypocrite.

[flockofseagulls104]

Where do we get the idea that corporate entities are inherently evil and government is inherently noble?

Our country was founded on the idea that the power of government should be limited to the least amount necessary and that individuals should have liberty. You, this guy, and many others seem to be completely against that idea and want a large powerful government to control every aspect of our lives.

Our federal government has grown to be just as, or more, corrupt than the worst corporation you could name. I don't want to give them any more control over anything. I would rather have the people at Walmart run this government than the current scoundrels.

[silverscreenselect]

Our country was founded on the idea that the power of government should be limited to the least amount necessary and that individuals should have liberty. You, this guy, and many others seem to be completely against that idea and want a large powerful government to control every aspect of our lives.

Of course, when our country was founded, the two most powerful instituions were the Crown and the Church. Big corporations did not really begin amassing power until the later parts of the 19th century (somewhat earlier in England). So, it makes sense our Constitution was drafted to give us a degree of protection against those instituions. It doesn't follow that the Founding Fathers would have been cool with the power and virtual lack of accountability of modern day global corporations.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

http://nypost.com/2013/11/21/conde-nast ... -shutdown/

[Bob Juch]

http://nypost.com/2013/11/21/conde-nast ... -shutdown/

Lisa Denmark, 22, who interned at Vogue last summer and found her 10-plus-hour days there “belittling,” thinks it’s a blessing that the program’s being shuttered.

“To hear that the internship program ended, it wasn’t very heartbreaking to me,” says Denmark, who currently works in Chanel’s marketing department.

“I don’t think Condé Nast, or Vogue, for that matter, is something that should really be on someone’s list anyway.”

Denmark snagged her coveted unpaid internship at Vogue when she graduated from Florida State University last December.

She calls it “one of the worst internships I’ve ever had.”

Denmark, who quit after two months, says her days were spent running personal errands for editors, including picking up dry cleaning or, in one case, a boss’ juice all the way down on the Lower East Side (Condé’s offices are in Times Square).

[silverscreenselect]

Denmark snagged her coveted unpaid internship at Vogue when she graduated from Florida State University last December.

There have been a lot of these lawsuits involving unpaid interns working in professional industries. Here's the bottom line. They are doing menial labor for free that otherwise would be done by lower end employees getting paid at least minimum wage, with overtime and benefits. What they are doing does not prepare them for jobs in the industry, unless you count the general benefit you get from hanging around offices and listening into lunchroom chatter.

The magazines, film companies, and other white class and professional companies that have abused the intern system have made out like bandits. The purpose of the intern system was to provide them with training that was primarily for their benefit, not to turn them into unpaid general flunkies doing scut work for the employer's benefit.

[Bob Juch]

Denmark snagged her coveted unpaid internship at Vogue when she graduated from Florida State University last December.

There have been a lot of these lawsuits involving unpaid interns working in professional industries. Here's the bottom line. They are doing menial labor for free that otherwise would be done by lower end employees getting paid at least minimum wage, with overtime and benefits. What they are doing does not prepare them for jobs in the industry, unless you count the general benefit you get from hanging around offices and listening into lunchroom chatter.

The magazines, film companies, and other white class and professional companies that have abused the intern system have made out like bandits. The purpose of the intern system was to provide them with training that was primarily for their benefit, not to turn them into unpaid general flunkies doing scut work for the employer's benefit.

Hollywood film studio interns have it worse. When I was with The Scriptwriters Network we had an annual Christmas party for any interns. We heard some horror stories, many similar to Ms. Denmark's.

[BackInTex]

Denmark snagged her coveted unpaid internship at Vogue when she graduated from Florida State University last December.

There have been a lot of these lawsuits involving unpaid interns working in professional industries. Here's the bottom line. They are doing menial labor for free that otherwise would be done by lower end employees getting paid at least minimum wage, with overtime and benefits. What they are doing does not prepare them for jobs in the industry, unless you count the general benefit you get from hanging around offices and listening into lunchroom chatter.

The magazines, film companies, and other white class and professional companies that have abused the intern system have made out like bandits. The purpose of the intern system was to provide them with training that was primarily for their benefit, not to turn them into unpaid general flunkies doing scut work for the employer's benefit.

Hollywood film studio interns have it worse. When I was with The Scriptwriters Network we had an annual Christmas party for any interns. We heard some horror stories, many similar to Ms. Denmark's.

Not a lot of conservative free-enterprise types in those industries. That's telling if you're willing to listen.

[Bob Juch]

There have been a lot of these lawsuits involving unpaid interns working in professional industries. Here's the bottom line. They are doing menial labor for free that otherwise would be done by lower end employees getting paid at least minimum wage, with overtime and benefits. What they are doing does not prepare them for jobs in the industry, unless you count the general benefit you get from hanging around offices and listening into lunchroom chatter.

The magazines, film companies, and other white class and professional companies that have abused the intern system have made out like bandits. The purpose of the intern system was to provide them with training that was primarily for their benefit, not to turn them into unpaid general flunkies doing scut work for the employer's benefit.

Hollywood film studio interns have it worse. When I was with The Scriptwriters Network we had an annual Christmas party for any interns. We heard some horror stories, many similar to Ms. Denmark's.

Not a lot of conservative free-enterprise types in those industries. That's telling if you're willing to listen.

Just the management of most of the studios. That's what counts.

[BackInTex]

Hollywood film studio interns have it worse. When I was with The Scriptwriters Network we had an annual Christmas party for any interns. We heard some horror stories, many similar to Ms. Denmark's.

Not a lot of conservative free-enterprise types in those industries. That's telling if you're willing to listen.

Just the management of most of the studios. That's what counts.

Like I said, "if you're willing to listen."

Management of most studios are not conservative free-enterprise types. They are staunch left-leaning Democratic fundraising liberals.

[Bob Juch]

Not a lot of conservative free-enterprise types in those industries. That's telling if you're willing to listen.

Just the management of most of the studios. That's what counts.

Like I said, "if you're willing to listen."

Management of most studios are not conservative free-enterprise types. They are staunch left-leaning Democratic fundraising liberals.

Wrong

[silverscreenselect]

Management of most studios are not conservative free-enterprise types. They are staunch left-leaning Democratic fundraising liberals.

Creative types like actors, screenwriters, and directors often are liberal. Management types are very bottom-line oriented, which explains why we have so many crappy, prepackaged, creatively bereft big budget productions.

[BackInTex]

Just the management of most of the studios. That's what counts.

Like I said, "if you're willing to listen."

Management of most studios are not conservative free-enterprise types. They are staunch left-leaning Democratic fundraising liberals.

Wrong

Nope. I'm not.