A filibuster with a point

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Re: A filibuster with a point

#26 Post by Beebs52 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:02 pm

BackInTex wrote:
mrkelley23 wrote:Wow. A thread which summarizes the whole "debate" about abortion in this country.

Wendy Davis admits that she might have voted for a bill which contained some abortion restrictions. Guess what? Very few people in this country are all the way to one side or the other on the continuum, no matter what Dailykos and Foxnews would have you believe.

I don't know what BiT thinks or believes about abortion and guess what? Neither does anyone on this Bored, unless they have knowledge from outside this Bored. Because he usually self-identifies as conservative, and because he has disdained traditional liberal causes, the usual suspects are climbing all over themselves to infer that he must want to ban all abortions always and let the OWGs on the Texas legislature decide everything about the issue. He might have phrased it a little more snarkily, but guess what? What BiT said in his post on this subject is almost exactly the same as what Bob#s said in the post immediately before this one. Semantically, it is the same. I would quibble that it is not JUST the woman wanting it, since a qualified medical professional must agree, but if a woman gets an abortion, even if it is the only choice possible from a long list of less desirable choices, she still wants it. No one is dragged into a clinic against her will -- that's kind of the whole point, isn't it?

So the shouting across the barricades continues, and no one listens and tries to empathize with the "other side's" point of view. Except guess what? It's not a zero sum game, and there are lots more than 2 sides.
Now listen hear! You just quit being reasonable, you hear? I only serves to make the rest of us look silly.
Rec for both of you.
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Re: A filibuster with a point

#27 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:25 pm

More nuance
She continued, “I would not advocate for a 20-week ban because I don't believe that it can capture and respect and give due deference to decision-making that belongs between a woman and her doctor. And typically, of course, these abortions are occurring in tragic situations where women have not discovered that there's a severe fetal abnormality, or that there is some risk to her own health, until her pregnancy is advanced to that stage.”

Davis said such abortions are rare in Texas, “and I'm sensitive to the fact that they are occurring in places that really belong within the domain of a woman and her doctor to decide.”
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/ ... dia-112112
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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