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#26 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:23 pm

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MarleysGh0st wrote:Fox uses Flash so I can't embed the image here, but you can follow this link to see her.
Wait, here's one:

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I saw the ads for this and the female partner (Zuleikha Robinson) seemed familiar but I couldn't place her, so I checked imdb and duh, I just recently rented "The Namesake" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433416/ and I really liked the movie, so I'm recommending it.
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#27 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:36 pm

PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:Yeah. I noticed when I saw the previews, but I didn't want to be the first to comment on it. I didn't want people to think that I completely objectify men.
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#28 Post by PlacentiaSoccerMom » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:58 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
MarleysGh0st wrote:
MarleysGh0st wrote:Fox uses Flash so I can't embed the image here, but you can follow this link to see her.
Wait, here's one:

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I saw the ads for this and the female partner (Zuleikha Robinson) seemed familiar but I couldn't place her, so I checked imdb and duh, I just recently rented "The Namesake" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433416/ and I really liked the movie, so I'm recommending it.
We really liked "The Namesake" as well. It's a good movie.

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#29 Post by tanstaafl2 » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:07 pm

MarleysGh0st wrote: I agree with ear; the central premise is strange (even for a fantasy show) but the show has potential. Essentially, Amsterdam is Duncan MacLeod, without all those annoying guys trying to chop off his head. :wink:

One other point I found strange was the implication that he's remained a resident of New Amsterdam/New York all through the centuries, instead of roaming the world, a la MacLeod. That would seem to increase the risk of having awkward run-ins with aging, past acquaintances.
tlynn78 wrote:I watched. It was. mmm, okay. I was disappointed in it, it didn't live up to my expectations or its own possibilities. THere seems to be no chemistry at all between him and his partner. I'm hoping it will improve and intend to watch at least a couple more episodes to give it a chance.
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I was annoyed by his comments to his partner (who is supposed to be a DETECTIVE) continuously referring to his longevity, and her just staring agape or rolling her eyes. Like the "this place was a speakeasy in the '30's" How did you know?" "I used to drink" and the "I read lips .... temporary deafness ... from landing at Normandy" A few of those here and there could be clever, but if it keeps being so heavy-handed it'll get old quick, especially given her failure to catch on and call him on it.
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He did seem rather cavalier about the length of his past life. Seemed terribly unrealistic. I too made the association with the Highlander series but based on this first show this one is not as good, even without having to try to keep his head.

I would much rather have seen Journeyman get a longer shot at finding an audience but I guess that show was too cerebral, at least by TV standards, to have any shot. This one, not so much. The premise about the shaman giving him eternal youth until the "one true love" wanders by seems forced at best.

I will continue to watch for now but it I can perhaps see why it kept getting put back on the shelf. If it doesn't generate a solid following quickly I expect they will burn off the episodes they have in the can and then this one will join Journeyman in the TV show dumpster.
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#30 Post by VAdame » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:48 pm

New Amsterdam?

How 'bout some Old Amsterdam? :lol:

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#31 Post by ulysses5019 » Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:24 pm

Yeah. I noticed when I saw the previews, but I didn't want to be the first to comment on it. I didn't want people to think that I completely objectify men.
I don't mind being objectified......maybe that's why Emma likes me?
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#32 Post by silvercamaro » Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:35 pm

ulysses5019 wrote:
Yeah. I noticed when I saw the previews, but I didn't want to be the first to comment on it. I didn't want people to think that I completely objectify men.
I don't mind being objectified......maybe that's why Emma likes me?
Hmmnn. Perhaps she has been raised to be very, very polite to codgers.

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#33 Post by tlynn78 » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:04 pm

Hmmnn. Perhaps she has been raised to be very, very polite to codgers.

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#34 Post by earendel » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:15 am

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tlynn78 wrote:I thought the chick playing the doctor/one-true-love possibility looks old enough to be his much older sister.
But on the show, she could be his great-great-great-great-granddaughter! :wink:

Ewwwwww!
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#35 Post by earendel » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:18 am

tanstaafl2 wrote:I would much rather have seen Journeyman get a longer shot at finding an audience but I guess that show was too cerebral, at least by TV standards, to have any shot. This one, not so much. The premise about the shaman giving him eternal youth until the "one true love" wanders by seems forced at best.

I will continue to watch for now but it I can perhaps see why it kept getting put back on the shelf. If it doesn't generate a solid following quickly I expect they will burn off the episodes they have in the can and then this one will join Journeyman in the TV show dumpster.
"Journeyman" is on a different network - but I agree that I would have liked for it to be renewed.

"New Amsterdam" was originally slated for the fall but was kept off the schedule. I suspect that FOX thinks it's a stinker but needed to air something to keep audiences until new episodes of existing shows are ready to air.
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#36 Post by tanstaafl2 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:10 am

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tlynn78 wrote:I thought the chick playing the doctor/one-true-love possibility looks old enough to be his much older sister.
But on the show, she could be his great-great-great-great-granddaughter! :wink:
You would think perhaps they could have resolved that one by taking another page from the Highlander series and making him both immortal and "im"potent until the true love comes along making him both mortal and potent all at the same time.

Since the whole premise is based on a hokey magic schtick you can pretty much do what you want right?

Except that from the previews we can see that this is apparently not the case.

The women (Alexie Gilmore) playing the doctor/love interest/older sister/great-great-great-great-granddaughter is something of a mystery. Can't seem to find her birthdate listed in the usual sources. Other pictures of her make her look a bit younger but no telling how old those pictures are.

From the show:
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Other sources:
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Must be the stress of playing a doctor on TV...
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#37 Post by fantine33 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:15 am

MarleysGh0st wrote:I agree with ear; the central premise is strange (even for a fantasy show) but the show has potential. Essentially, Amsterdam is Duncan MacLeod, without all those annoying guys trying to chop off his head. :wink:
So, in other words, it's Highlander, but not good? Without head chopping, it might as well be Knight Rider.

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#38 Post by fantine33 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:22 am

tanstaafl2 wrote: You would think perhaps they could have resolved that one by taking another page from the Highlander series and making him both immortal and "im"potent until the true love comes along making him both mortal and potent all at the same time.
Immortals aren't impotent, they just shoot blanks (or are barren, depending on gender). If I remember right, they don't breed even before they become immortal.

I never thought about it before, but that must've been just to eliminate the possibilities of hooking up with a great great great whatever. In the first movie, they showed Christopher Lambert getting new names and identities from childrens' death certificates (I wonder how scammers do it now that you get a SSN at birth?) but the series and the rest of the movies just kind of ignored that part and made them vagabonds instead.

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#39 Post by MarleysGh0st » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:22 am

fantine33 wrote:
MarleysGh0st wrote:I agree with ear; the central premise is strange (even for a fantasy show) but the show has potential. Essentially, Amsterdam is Duncan MacLeod, without all those annoying guys trying to chop off his head. :wink:
So, in other words, it's Highlander, but not good? Without head chopping, it might as well be Knight Rider.
Well, we have to wait and see how they play out the "immortal until he finds his one true love" angle. One might think this means that the clock would start ticking for him to have a normal life span again, once they're united.
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But, in the pilot, as soon as the suspected "one" walks near him, he has a fatal heart attack! (He revives a little later, in the morgue.) Now, that could be a rather nasty blessing/curse if, after all these centuries, he finds her again, says "I love you,' and drops dead for good on the spot.

That's probably not what the writers have in mind. :P

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#40 Post by tanstaafl2 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:23 am

fantine33 wrote:
MarleysGh0st wrote:I agree with ear; the central premise is strange (even for a fantasy show) but the show has potential. Essentially, Amsterdam is Duncan MacLeod, without all those annoying guys trying to chop off his head. :wink:
So, in other words, it's Highlander, but not good? Without head chopping, it might as well be Knight Rider.
Well, he did get a sword through the heart in a flashback, if that helps.

Not to mention dying for no obvious reason and then coming back to life conveniently when no one was around to see. How he found his clothes or else managed to escape unseen from the morgue whilst presumably nude was not elaborated on.

Although based on the gratuitous pool scene nudity doesn't seem to be a big issue for him.
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#41 Post by tanstaafl2 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:28 am

fantine33 wrote:
tanstaafl2 wrote: You would think perhaps they could have resolved that one by taking another page from the Highlander series and making him both immortal and "im"potent until the true love comes along making him both mortal and potent all at the same time.
Immortals aren't impotent, they just shoot blanks (or are barren, depending on gender). If I remember right, they don't breed even before they become immortal.

I never thought about it before, but that must've been just to eliminate the possibilities of hooking up with a great great great whatever. In the first movie, they showed Christopher Lambert getting new names and identities from childrens' death certificates (I wonder how scammers do it now that you get a SSN at birth?) but the series and the rest of the movies just kind of ignored that part and made them vagabonds instead.
Ah, yes. I meant infertile, rather than impotent. Although impotent goes so much better as a pair with immortal...
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#42 Post by MarleysGh0st » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:29 am

And Fox had to schedule the second episode tonight at the same time as Lost.

Feh! :evil:

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#43 Post by earendel » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:31 am

MarleysGh0st wrote:And Fox had to schedule the second episode tonight at the same time as Lost.

Feh! :evil:
Which just confirms my suspicions that FOX is burning off these episodes just to have something to air until the regular programs come back.

I'm surprised no one has compared this show with "Moonlight" on CBS - same idea (immortal in the big city), except that the hero is a vampire.
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#44 Post by tlynn78 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:05 am

I'm surprised no one has compared this show with "Moonlight" on CBS - same idea (immortal in the big city), except that the hero is a vampire.

Actuallly, I would have if I could have remember the name of the show. I like that, at least, the two episodes I've seen.

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#45 Post by tanstaafl2 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:20 am

earendel wrote:
I'm surprised no one has compared this show with "Moonlight" on CBS - same idea (immortal in the big city), except that the hero is a vampire.
They do have a similar theme. But I think the closest comparison is that they are both campy TV schlock. The acting on New Amsterdam may be a shade better. But given the apparent skills of the cast on Moonlight and the main female character in particular that isn't saying too much.
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#46 Post by tanstaafl2 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:24 am

earendel wrote:
Which just confirms my suspicions that FOX is burning off these episodes just to have something to air until the regular programs come back.
Except the lead in both nights has been AI so maybe they are trying to give it a shot. Although I am inclined to agree that they are just burning them off to fill the void.
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#47 Post by ghostjmf » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:54 pm

taanstafl2 says:
I would much rather have seen Journeyman get a longer shot at finding an audience but I guess that show was too cerebral, at least by TV standards, to have any shot. This one, not so much. The premise about the shaman giving him eternal youth until the "one true love" wanders by seems forced at best.

I will continue to watch for now but it I can perhaps see why it kept getting put back on the shelf. If it doesn't generate a solid following quickly I expect they will burn off the episodes they have in the can and then this one will join Journeyman in the TV show dumpster.
I agree with all of the above, especially about Journeyman; I knew from the start that the average TV audience person just wouldn't put up with all the literal jerking around, time-wise. Unless they were "really into it", & it took some getting into, at 1st, to warm up to the leads. Which was good acting on their part but maybe bad TV. Other shows where people got jerked around in time, say Quantum Leap, they stayed in the "new time" (most of the time) until the problem they were "sent to solve" was solved (& that show had a hard time picking up an audience too, but it lasted several years nonetheless).

With Amsterdam: Its a smooth show, like Marley I like the "let's build NYC" intro, I agree the premise is wishy (I didn't even suss to the fact that he'd saved the shaman from his own evil fellows; I wondered why she appeared to be cursing him, actually; probably wasn't watching closely enough, & those flashbacks do provide "lose the audience" possibilities). But now that Journeyman is off forever & Moonlight for a while (someone read me a clip that now that the strike is off, new episodes had been ordered, so its still alive at least for this year, & prospects look good) the coast is apparently clear for more paranormal-show stuff.

I kind of like that we don't get superhuman feats of strength from this guy (other than that he appears to die but wakes up later) like we do from the reluctant vamp on Moonlight. Also, "no fangs" is good. Otherwise it'll be a police drama, with a bit of "I drank there in the 20s"/"I was deafened at Normandy" thrown in.

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#48 Post by eyégor » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:04 pm

earendel wrote:

"New Amsterdam" was originally slated for the fall but was kept off the schedule. I suspect that FOX thinks it's a stinker but needed to air something to keep audiences until new episodes of existing shows are ready to air.

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earendel wrote:Which just confirms my suspicions that FOX is burning off these episodes just to have something to air until the regular programs come back.


FOX held it back to reshoot some scenes, because they felt the lead character was too dark. I suspect this resulted in the allusion to the past overkill.

As for the burnoff theory, Moment of Truth pulls 65-70% higher numbers after AIthan it did standing alone. Same thing with Back to You. My guess is they are trying to catch the 18-49 demo and have it follow the show.

I have also read in several places that tonight's episode is supposed to be much better than Tuesday's.

I have also heard

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#49 Post by MarleysGh0st » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:10 pm

eyégor wrote: I have also read in several places that tonight's episode is supposed to be much better than Tuesday's.
I hope they offer it over the web, because Lost is getting my viewship tonight.

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#50 Post by Rexer25 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:22 pm

eyégor wrote: I have also read in several places that tonight's episode is supposed to be much better than Tuesday's.
Isn't that kinda like saying the next president is supposed to be better than this one?
Enough already. It's my fault! Get over it!

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